American Bull Dog. Mastiff or not?

[cj-sharpy]

That's it really. i never though Bull dogs were of mastiff type (except BM being a cross of EM and English bulldog) but am i wrong? Dogbreedinfo site says breed type is Mastiff. Any input would be appreciated (but probably wont change my mind about getting her) yeah yeah i know pics to follow haha

 

[Hector]

I'm going to say no, bull dogs are not mastiffs. I would consider them a bully breed.

 

[cj-sharpy]

General thing im finding o breed info sites is Mastiff or Molosser type part of me still says no. But then i guess a Frenchy is a Molosser type on some sites so who knows

 

[Boxergirl]

I would say no to mastiff too. Molosser, yes. Boxers are also considered part of the Molosser type.

I love American Bulldogs. I'd have one in a second if my DH liked them.

 

[Max's mom]

And we still need a picture!

 

[TWW]

Molosser Yes, mastiff No. The BM is a cross of English Mastiff and English Bulldog. The English Bulldog is a extinct breed last known pairs died off in the 1840's or 1850's and those where a greyhound mix.

 

[Caleb]

American Bulldog is every bit the mastiff the bullmastiff is. They used mastiff type dogs to get the American Bulldog's size. Depends on how technical you want to get with it. Molosser is a much more ancient word....and dog type than "mastiff". Many dogs can fall into the mastiff classification....even Dogo's and Bullmastiffs. The bullmastiff started out trying to achieve and 60/40 cross of mastiff/bulldog. I believe that shifted more towards the bulldog for them. Anatolians and Kangals, and even the shepherd dogs from the Caucasus Mts can be classified as molossers, yet not mastiffs, which both terms are used pretty loosely nowadays....especially mastiff. If you can call a Dogue, Bullmastiff and a Dogo mastiff, then I say yes. I'm not a fan of bulldogs at all but compared to mastiffs, the American Bulldog is employed as it was intended more than any of these other mastiffs. I would even have to say that it's not a molosser, but a modern day mastiff.

 

[TWW]

American Bulldog is every bit the mastiff the bullmastiff is. They used mastiff type dogs to get the American Bulldog's size. Depends on how technical you want to get with it. Molosser is a much more ancient word....and dog type than "mastiff". Many dogs can fall into the mastiff classification....even Dogo's and Bullmastiffs. The bullmastiff started out trying to achieve and 60/40 cross of mastiff/bulldog. I believe that shifted more towards the bulldog for them. Anatolians and Kangals, and even the shepherd dogs from the Caucasus Mts can be classified as molossers, yet not mastiffs, which both terms are used pretty loosely nowadays....especially mastiff. If you can call a Dogue, Bullmastiff and a Dogo mastiff, then I say yes. I'm not a fan of bulldogs at all but compared to mastiffs, the American Bulldog is employed as it was intended more than any of these other mastiffs. I would even have to say that it's not a molosser, but a modern day mastiff.

A Bullmastiff is 50 to 60% EM hoe would it not be a mastiff breed. a Dogo was created using Bully and Mastiff breeds so yes there are reasons to call it both. Not quite sure what the reasoning behind the Dogue not being a mastiff breed according to which of the 2 origins you believe it still would be a mastiff breed. There are 3 for the American Bulldog 2 of which would exclude it and the 3rd would include it, that being it was created using the Bullmastiff.

 

[cj-sharpy]

I think I've fallen in love.
I have some thinking to do but she's not going anywhere.
I'll update with a pic when I get to a laptop

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[dpenning]

Just did a quick search and I like the look! The breed information page said they drool and have strong personalities, sounds mastiffy to me! LOL It did say the average lifespan is 10-15 years which is a bonus. Can't wait for pics of your new best girl.

 

[Caleb]

A Bullmastiff is 50 to 60% EM hoe would it not be a mastiff breed. a Dogo was created using Bully and Mastiff breeds so yes there are reasons to call it both. Not quite sure what the reasoning behind the Dogue not being a mastiff breed according to which of the 2 origins you believe it still would be a mastiff breed. There are 3 for the American Bulldog 2 of which would exclude it and the 3rd would include it, that being it was created using the Bullmastiff.

I wouldn't argue that a BM is not a mastiff breed....because it most certainly is. Bottom line is, "mastiff" is a relatively loose term, and doesn't carry much weight scientifically speaking. Some might argue but today's mastiff look could actually be achieved by crossing bulldog lines into bigger dogs, giving them the bone and "mastiff" appearance. The American Bulldog probably has more "mastiff" genetics than bulldog genetics....just like an American Pit Bull Terrier has more mastiff and bulldog genetics than "terrier" genetics. For this argument's sake, words like "mastiff", "terrier", and "hound" have as much scientific, or genetic meaning as the word "cur". Either way, I think the American Bulldog with its look, build and nominal weight fit in really good with the mastiff crowd.

 

[BAMCB]

I want pics!!

 

[cj-sharpy]

 

[cj-sharpy]

 

[Caleb]

Is that a cross? Crosses are great, but most American Bulldogs are closer to 70lbs plus....and I've seen them at 150lbs. There also seems to be tons of variation throughout the breed. No reason not to own it and love it though. I've worked with many American Bulldogs and they have all impressed me.

 

[BAMCB]

What a cutie!!!

 

[cj-sharpy]

yeah is does seem to be little, maybe some staffy thrown in to the mix, but I think she looks adorable, she sounds like a very sweet girl and i've never been one for pure breds. I know you get two types of ABD and she doesn't look like a pure breed of either

 

[Caleb]

Never been one for pure-breds???? What??? Craziness! Just kidding. I'm not much on the concept either! I'm very opinionated when it comes to evolution of the dog in the world today. I was gonna suggest that it might have some Pit blood as well. Looks like a sweet dog.

 

[cj-sharpy]

God I hope not.
Pits are banned here and dogs can be taken and destroyed for even looking a little bit pittish

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[Caleb]

Where is "here"? if you don't mind me asking? That's pretty strict. It's obvious though that the dog isn't just a PitBull.