Faveorite Neapolitan Mastiff?

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I'm not saying a dog should live 30-40 years! LOL, Just think they should last atleast an aveage of 8-10 years. You're right about temp too I'm sure finding a neo with proper temp for guarding would be just as likely as finding one that had a long life and could run for a few miles that still look enough like a neo, they're out there but like I said they're few and far in between I'm sure.

I knew what you meant, hell I don't want an old bag of bones either, LOL. This breed DID at one point live the "normal" 8-10 years, in couple of years the breed might be lucky to live 3 years.

 

[masteneo]

How on earth can a breed be considered for show if it cant live past three to four years? to me this is the antithesis of what should be in dog shows.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

As long as the dog conFORMS to their standard, that's pretty much all that matters. They can't blame BYB's anymore.

Unless people who actually CARE about the breed do something, this breed will continue its downward trend. I do want to own this breed eventually in my life but it will be from the "hidden valley"

 

[neomama]

Neo's right not do not have a long life span, that is what responsiable breeders are
trying to fix! Lisa from Amazing Love, myself and other breeders are very picky about
the bitches and dogs we breed to. We get critizied because if someone wants to breed
their dog or bitch to one of ours and we do our reasearch and find something in the line we
do not like we will refuse. We are breeding for health, strong bones, good heart, longjevity.
A couple different breeders wanted me to breed Alliseaa to their dog but I refused because
1 dog had a very poor rear end, the other was a champion and very well known neo that people
brag because they have a pup out of this dog, BUT this dog died at age 5 from a stroke, and his
dad died of a stroke, sure I could have gotten alot of money out of these pups BUT I do not want
that in my breeding program.
Alliseaa is very sound, she runs and plays with the St Poodles for hours, Neo's were breed to be
guard dogs, Alliseaa does NOT just put on a show, sure she is a show dog, BUT when she is at home
in HER yard she WILL guard, not just put on a show, she WILL bite and she WILL take you down.
If you are looking for a Neo do your research!! Check the dogs lines, check the neo standard,
they are suppose to be typie they are not suppose to look like Cane Corrso's. That is the breed, if you want a Cane Corso get one, if you want wrinkles then get a Neo.

 

[neomama]

View attachment 14505View attachment 14506View attachment 14507neos can run and play alot!!

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Good breeders are few and far between, IMO. I am not interested in Corso, never was, always wanted a Neo even before I got into German Mastiffs. However bags of excessive skin and pi$$-poor health that people are passing of as Neos is disgusting! Then the pricing these breeders come up with is an insult to puppy buyers.

Has Alliseaa bitten or " taken down" anyone before? If not how do you know she will bite?

 

[CaneCorso]

Neo's right not do not have a long life span, that is what responsiable breeders are
trying to fix! Lisa from Amazing Love, myself and other breeders are very picky about
the bitches and dogs we breed to. We get critizied because if someone wants to breed
their dog or bitch to one of ours and we do our reasearch and find something in the line we
do not like we will refuse. We are breeding for health, strong bones, good heart, longjevity.
A couple different breeders wanted me to breed Alliseaa to their dog but I refused because
1 dog had a very poor rear end, the other was a champion and very well known neo that people
brag because they have a pup out of this dog, BUT this dog died at age 5 from a stroke, and his
dad died of a stroke, sure I could have gotten alot of money out of these pups BUT I do not want
that in my breeding program.
Alliseaa is very sound, she runs and plays with the St Poodles for hours, Neo's were breed to be
guard dogs, Alliseaa does NOT just put on a show, sure she is a show dog, BUT when she is at home
in HER yard she WILL guard, not just put on a show, she WILL bite and she WILL take you down.
If you are looking for a Neo do your research!! Check the dogs lines, check the neo standard,
they are suppose to be typie they are not suppose to look like Cane Corrso's. That is the breed, if you want a Cane Corso get one, if you want wrinkles then get a Neo.

I'm glad you did not breed to an unhealthy stud. You can make alot of money slangin rocks aswell LOL, but you still shouldn't do it. If you don't mind me asking have you OFA or Pennhip tested your bitch? If so what were the results? I'm sorry if I come off disrespectful , don't mean to be. I'm just disgusted by neo breeders as a whole. Do you know how many Neapolitan mastiffs are rated atleast OFA good? Or the answer to my other question I asked what is the average life span of the neos being bred today? How do you feel about that 47% of neos OFA tested positive for hip displaysia? Were you aware of those results before breeding neos? If so, what made you choose to breed this health problem infested breed? Also what type of health guarantee do you offer with your pups? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just truely curious.

 

[masteneo]

Neomamma, i didnt mean to include the small group of breeders that you associate closely with. And me and you have talked quit a few times about this health thing. Its just so dang frustrating to take the finest dog breed i know and breed poorly to the point that fixing it will take years of hard expensive work. Man , i just am really fed up with seeing litters of pups that should not have been, being posed as "top bloodlines, show quality," when they are nothing more than korean mastiffs in grey. We all know the original Neo was a dog to behold.

 

[Cody]

I'm glad you did not breed to an unhealthy stud. You can make alot of money slangin rocks aswell LOL, but you still shouldn't do it. If you don't mind me asking have you OFA or Pennhip tested your bitch? If so what were the results? I'm sorry if I come off disrespectful , don't mean to be. I'm just disgusted by neo breeders as a whole. Do you know how many Neapolitan mastiffs are rated atleast OFA good? Or the answer to my other question I asked what is the average life span of the neos being bred today? How do you feel about that 47% of neos OFA tested positive for hip displaysia? Were you aware of those results before breeding neos? If so, what made you choose to breed this health problem infested breed? Also what type of health guarantee do you offer with your pups? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just truely curious.

The Neo is still a relatively new breed in the grand scheme of things, hips, while important do not misunderstand me, are one of MANY aspects that need to be evaluated using a still small gene pool.
You also need to remember when looking at OFA results they are subjective. OFA vets in a day are looking at multiple breeds and NOT differentiating between them in their results. The vet may look at a Whippet followed by a yorkie, followed by a Neo... Mastiffs have looser hips then many smaller breeds. Personally I prefer PENNHIP which gives a scientific measurement (over an opinion, as we all know vets are never wrong ), a yes or no as far as cavitation and DJD as well as a rating based on breed.
Asking breeders to miraculously fix a breed just like that is not possible. Some are working towards it, but we have to acknowledge that the Mastino Italiano is gone. It has been divided into 2 separate breeds, and it is the breeders who now MUST breed to their standards. The Neo is a typey dog, it has excessive wrinkles, that is what the breed has become. A breeder choosing to breed away from the standard in any other breed is considered a BYB, but we expect it of the Neo, applaud it.
Neo momma said it correctly, if you want the old school Neo then get a Corso, a large boned Corso. You are talking about the same type of dog. The Neo standard in 1965 clearly states other names for the Neo were the Cane Corso and th Cane da Presa.
I am one who covets the Mastino Italiano, I long for the return of that type, but it isn't going to happen.
That is why I have chosen th breed I did. I love Neo's and will have one one day. That said I will go to a reputable breeder so my dog will be typey. I will want a breeder that breeds to the standard.

 

[CaneCorso]

I know OFA can be subjective,( thanks to you and Mary) I remember reading the difference in the thread I started. That is why I also included Penhip which appears to be the prefered mehtod of checking hipps /elbows. So same question but with Penhip? I don't expect breeders to magicly fix a breed. As I've said I'm no longer interested in owning a neo, or a large boned CC for that matter I prefer a CC around 110-120 or around that area. I just want to know what would be considered a "rebutable neo breeder". All neo breeders charge the upwards of $2000, sometimes $3000 - 5000. ( I understand there are larger costs involved in raising larger dogs) and after searching MANY neapolitan mastiff breeders websites I've seen VERY few have any kind of health guarantee at all! The few that do have a health guarantee may guarantee the puppy will be healthy when you get it, maybe give you a 1 Year hip guarantee, or they might give you a 2 year guarantee that your dog will not die from genetic disorders! Maybe I 'm crazy but if I'm going to spend that kind of money I expect a hell of a lot more than that from a breeder!




One more question for neomama, you said you would not use the champion stud because he died at age 5, but how old was the stud used in your breeding? It seems to me if Breeders truely wanted to breed for longevity they would only use studs that were atleast 4-5 years old (same with the female) If these dogs are known for not lasting for more than a few years why would then why would you breed them at 2 -3 (or before?) years of age? Maybe I'm missing something but you seemed to contradict yourself. But feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Cody]

Not to hijack the thread, but I do have a few questions.
You do not want a large boned Corso but one around 110-120 lbs? Male or female?
How many 110 lb Male CC have you seen? Why have you picked this weight limit?
Have you narrowed down your search in breeders yet, you may be hard pressed to find a breeder within this limit, if you are looking for a male. A female will be much easier. If you have your heart set on this weight, be very careful as many of the smaller dogs have strong boxer (hyper type) characteristics.
When I say large bone, I am not referring to a 160 lb Corso, but a balanced athletic dog with substance.
The CC SHOULD have significant bone, it is still a mastiff.
*End hijack*

 

[CaneCorso]

First off, I am talking weight for a male. Secondly I said 110-120 OR IN THAT AREA. Meaning I want a very athletic agile Mastiff, weight is not the most important thing, I just wouldn't want a CC over probably 130 would be tops. Why? Because if a CC weighs 140-150, or even more I feel they would be sacrificing their athletic abillity for size. How many this size have I seen? None in person, how many have I seen in my online research? Several! Have I narrowed down my breeder search? Somewhat, yes. I haven't made a for sure choice( I won't be sure untill I meet a few of them and their dogs). But as I've said before I'm very interested in Rivale and Amore, aswell as Apex, and Bodyguard. I really like Amore's males ( who mostly come from Rivale lines.) their males weights, Rivale's Xander (105lbs) Rivale's Doc Holiday (110lbs) and Rivale's Bogart (130lbs). A few of Apex's males are also within the 115- 120lb range. And they appear to be working breeders, ( I know you say that CC do not have working and show breeders) But I think if a person specifically shows their dogs, and does no type of PP, SCH, French Ring, Iron Dog , agility,weight plull, some kind of work, they are a show breeder. But if they actually breed and train their dogs for one of the above mentioned fields an d the dogs they produce have the fitness, and temp to excell in these fields, then I'd say they're a working breeder. (even if they still show their dogs) like I said before most working breeders COULD show their dogs, but Most show breeders COULD NOT work their dogs (due to lack of proper temperament IMO). ( but there are always exceptions).

 

[kevinmuaythai]

Every Cane Corso should be agile and athletic weight shouldn't matter. I've seen an AMAZING 110 lb male. That was the weight of my girls Father, however I've seen just as athletic agile 140 lb males....It's the standard, no matter the weight.

I can't think of many Non athletic Corsi I've seen, except maybe for ones on poor diets.

 

[CaneCorso]

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/q2xJUI7oSFk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Hope this works, here is a link of Xander from Amore,



Kevin, I'll have to disagree with you untill you show me a 140 lb CC doing anything simmilar to this. THIS VIDEO IS THE REASON I WOULD PREFER A CANE CORSO UNDER 140lbs.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Nice video Good control, love how HAPPY the dog was near the end of the video.

 

[CaneCorso]

Yeah I love that vid! Did you see the video of his sire Rivgale's Mojo at 8 still doing pretty well for an old dog? I'm shocked that I'm the only one that mentioned Xander or Amore's /Rivale's dogs in the faveorite Cane Corso thread!I would love to see a 140+lb CC do that. Damn, this thread went all off track! LOL, oh well!

 

[Cody]

"most working breeders COULD show their dogs but most show breeders COULD not work their dogs"
That is an interesting statement, completely untrue and unfounded in the case of the Corso, but interesting.
Let's look at some of the dogs that are titled in IPO and Ring sport for example.
Scandifio's Damian Marcus Aurelius ~ French Ring Brevet, Schutzhund BH, SCH 1, 2, 3 Scandifio Cane Corso ~ show breeder
Liberty's Safir ~ BH, IPO 1A ~ Liberty Cane Corso, show breeder.
GCH Italica's Once In A Blue Moon aka NASA ~ IPO BH, RN, CD ~ Italica Terrae Cane Corso, Show breeder
UKC CH Biagia Del'Agreste aka Beetle ~ IPO BH, RN also training in weight pull, Del' Agreste Cane Corso ~ Show breeder
Italics Terrae Zeus de Rivale ~ SCH 3 , Italica Terrae ~ Show breeder
All of these dogs and MANY more come from kennels that primarily breed and show their dogs.
If they find homes where people work then fantastic, but the breeders themselves do not work their dogs.
I am so tired of hearing show vs working kennel bullsh*t.
The unfortunate reality is MANY of the "working" kennels could not make it in the show ring, I have seen dogs with terrible structure from so called working lines. As well as health testing... "Well the dog can jump so it's hips must be sound."
form follows function.
Oh and many of those dogs listed above are larger dogs...
Damian I believe is 27.5" and over 125 lbs lean
Beetle is + 115 lbs at 1.5 years and a bitch...
I have seen large boned 135 lb CC jump 6 ft straight up and over a fence. Hell my boy did a back flip off my couch, landed on his feet from a sitting position at almost 130lbs.
A balanced Corso moving is an awe inspiring sight.

 

[grazefull1]

i dont know if this counts but this one looks over 120 by the thats a 15lbs weight lol
[video=youtube;cbqF9-9PblQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbqF9-9PblQ[/video]

alittle more this cc isnt that bad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv1I5jSPV9I&feature=share&list=PL7185E34A8DE92854

 

[Cody]

That is Damian I mentioned above
It is not a weight, but made of wood.

 

[grazefull1]

That is Damian I mentioned above
It is not a weight, but made of wood.

sorry looks like weights much does wood weight about( thought she was throwing it fairly easy lol)

im guessing the cc weights around 130ish rite?

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COBY: can u get videos of cc around 140lbs doing what u said? this kinda lets to the favorite cc post lol