A question for Experienced Fila owners

[chuckorlando]

Looks like a dane in the face with hound ears to me.

Yea I know you dont think that at all. I'm just saying for a dog to sit while people are at a comfortable distance is ok to me. But never with in the strike zone. And like I said, you can not walk up to us. For her to remain cool we have to walk up to you

 

[Rugers-Kris]

I knew what you were saying Chuck, I just wanted to make sure I made myself clear. LOL That judge was definitley in the strike zone. I would expect my dog to trust me enough that with a bit of distance he could remain controlled. Hell, I have an EM that won't let people approach us like that and you certainly can't stand in the strike zone! LOL And he is an English Mastiff, for crying out loud. LOL

 

[chuckorlando]

hahahahahaha

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Yes, the more research I do on this breed, the more research I need to do. LOL It looks like they are massive callouses to me but maybe someone with a little more experience can correct me if I am wrong. I will definitely have a Fila within the next couple years and I am so impressed with thier temperments but it is never ending to narrow down the dog you are trying to get.

Great informative thread. I too am very interested in this breed but it seems there's a lot more to them than other mastiffs, i.e. CAFIB vs. CKBC etc. I'd love to have a dog with the complete opposite disposition towards strangers as Gunny.

I checked out the Itanhandu website, what's up with the elbows of all their males?

 

[aceoutdoor]

I checked out the Itanhandu website, what's up with the elbows of all their males?

Those are calluses caused by laying on hard surfaces. Totally normal.

Rugers-Kris Itanhandu dogs make up the majority of Cafib bloodlines in the US and Europe. I am glad you are open minded and educating yourself. Remember the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Oh I do keep an open mind. Although, most of the Fila's I have seen that seem to fit what I am looking for are CAFIB dogs, I certainly don't think that CAFIB is all there is or perfect. It seems so many of the Non CAFIB Filas are so much more "Mastiffy"...If that makes any sense. Much bigger and more wrinkly and that isn't what I am looking for so that is why I have swayed more towards the CAFIB lines. Yes, I have noticed that Itanhandu dogs are nearly everywhere. I also realized that in order to get what I want I will have to look very closely at the pairing versus the breeder or club for that matter. I do like the CAFIB "standard" whether or not all CAFIb breeders are actually following it.

Those are calluses caused by laying on hard surfaces. Totally normal.

Rugers-Kris Itanhandu dogs make up the majority of Cafib bloodlines in the US and Europe. I am glad you are open minded and educating yourself. Remember the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

 

[aceoutdoor]

I hope you find the dog you are looking for. I don't like excessive wrinkles or overweight Filas either. I do like tall, strong, thick boned Filas as these are molossers not hound dogs.

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Yeah, I don't want a dog like that winner we were discussing in this thread earlier...LOL Again, most things (like truth's) are found somewhere in the middle, right? I will find him, I am sure of it!! LOL I have to because I am officially obsessed with these dogs!

I hope you find the dog you are looking for. I don't like excessive wrinkles or overweight Filas either. I do like tall, strong, thick boned Filas as these are molossers not hound dogs.

 

[ravendarat]

Im gonna be as respectful as possible with this post. YOU FILA OWNERS ARE NUTS! To each his own and I know all of you love your dogs but I don't think I could live with a dog that has a personality usually reserved for something that should be registered as a lethal weapon lol. I know that I don't have the nerves to have a dog that is that close to the edge where they love me to no end but if I am walking and someone walks towards use I have to make sure my furry alligator doesn't rip them to shreds. As I said its no knock to you, I just cant imagine myself ACTIVELY seeking this temperament.

 

[Rugers-Kris]

LOL. I don't have one yet but I will and they are aperfect for me. I must admit, however, I am definitelt nuts! LOL

Im gonna be as respectful as possible with this post. YOU FILA OWNERS ARE NUTS! To each his own and I know all of you love your dogs but I don't think I could live with a dog that has a personality usually reserved for something that should be registered as a lethal weapon lol. I know that I don't have the nerves to have a dog that is that close to the edge where they love me to no end but if I am walking and someone walks towards use I have to make sure my furry alligator doesn't rip them to shreds. As I said its no knock to you, I just cant imagine myself ACTIVELY seeking this temperament.

 

[chuckorlando]

FURRY ALLIGATOR. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Bet you not one character will snatch my son. Not a molester named chester, not a invader dressed as darth vader, not a stranger with a bat, nor a strange cat in a hat. AHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Definitely

LOL. I don't have one yet but I will and they are aperfect for me. I must admit, however, I am definitelt nuts! LOL

 

[ravendarat]

For sure I know they will protect your family, that is obvious. I am a single guy that still is pretty social and I take my dog everywhere with me, thats probably why its harder for me to grasp.

 

[Tiger12490]

It does take a special kind of anti-person kind of person to want a fila there not a lab I tell you that

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[aceoutdoor]

Im gonna be as respectful as possible with this post. YOU FILA OWNERS ARE NUTS! To each his own and I know all of you love your dogs but I don't think I could live with a dog that has a personality usually reserved for something that should be registered as a lethal weapon lol. I know that I don't have the nerves to have a dog that is that close to the edge where they love me to no end but if I am walking and someone walks towards use I have to make sure my furry alligator doesn't rip them to shreds. As I said its no knock to you, I just cant imagine myself ACTIVELY seeking this temperament.

It is a sick, immoral and dangerous world getting worse everyday. There are people who can't understand why someone would want to own firearms. If you don't get it, I could never convince you.

 

[chuckorlando]

But I love everyone Tiger.............:lolbangtable:

 

[dogman#1]

Correct De La Luna is known in the Fila community as a Cafib breeder although I believe she has some of both types. Cafib certification has nothing to do with any show except the ones they organize which in the US and is held only once a year I believe. And as nice of a lady and great caretaker of her dogs she is, that dog has no business winning any show.

CORRECTION>>> De la Luna is NOT a CAFIB breeder. She may have some CAFIB bloodline dogs and 1 UNIFILA dog and a couple of non CAFIB dogs... I like her Unifila dog alot (think his name is Savage) and I used his brother Sepe in a previous litter. Dianne from De la Luna shows her dogs under the FCI standard only.You are right though, she is a really nice lady and she takes exceptional care of her dogs. Just to clear it up... that was not a CAFIB show and no, I dont like that brindle pup that was shown.



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[dogman#1]

Cafib is basically just a club. They do not register or paper dogs. They are also considered a type of Fila, a type that just like the other type has quite a variation in conformation within that type as seen by the winner of that show as well as another Cafib dog at that show. There are 2 Cafib breeders in the US (one is Juan) that have desirable looking and well temped dogs. The rest of the Cafib dogs in the US that I have encountered are very undesirable and unattractive. As far as I am concerned the best Cafib dogs are in South America. CBKC is a registry for dogs bred inside Brazil, Filas bred outside Brazil typically are registered with FCI or a local affiliate. CBKC is also considered a type. There is also variation in conformation within this type. In my opinion the best CBKC breeders are in the US and Mexico although there are a few in South America who are at the top of my list. The official internationally recognized standard is the FCI/CBKC standard and it is not perfect. Neither standard recognizes dogs with alot of white which is wrong because that is a well documented look that has been around a long time.


Rugers-Kris Did you see the Itanhandu dog at that show? Does that look like a fila to you?

WHOA!!! CAFIB isnt a "type" of Fila it is the traditional and original Fila Brasileiro with some being good and some not so just like any other BREED (not type). CAFIB IS a registry and DOES paper dogs but it is very difficult to obtain papers due to their strict rules and regulations. You are also wrong about that whole "Official internationally recognized " nonsense. CAFIB was the ONLY standard recognized by the Brazilian Ministry of agriculture for some time, I know CBKC was for some time as well but they were dropped several times from recognition due to their faulty record keeping and shady practices (yep, thats true), not sure if they ever regained recognition again (maybe they did). CAFIB has organizations around the world...that makes them internationally recognized buddy. You are also incorrect about CAFIB not recognizing alot of white on a Fila... the dog can have alot of white, almost completely white if it has just 1 small brindle patch even.

BTW Thank you for the kind words on my dogs and there are several CAFIB dog breeders in the United States... Canil Forca, Canil leoas de Chacara, canil Alma Corajosa, Carioca, etc.

 

[Tiger12490]

But I love everyone Tiger.............:lolbangtable:

Lol equally as much as I do im sure

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[Duetsche_Doggen]

I guess it just surprised me that they were standing and chatting....The judge, obviously a complete stranger is standing close enough to pet the dog. I understand restrained but no reaction at all from the dog seems like a red flag to me. He isn't even paying attention which I would think a Fila would be. His isn't a Fila that has the look that I find attractive BUT he also doesn't have the temperment that I would find desirable, either. There was a note that the judge "was lucky he had been neutured". That seems a silly statement to me. Am I that far off?

Yep, That is my Baby, Ruger. He is getting pretty big. He was 162 pounds and 32 inches a couple of months ago and I weigh him and measure him again this weekend as his 1 year Birthday is Monday.

Here is the picture that can be clicked on to see it better.

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Thought it was you and another person.

I wouldn't want a mindless beast for a fila and would understand tolerance levels. I just think a line has to be drawn somewhere. As to where the line begins varies.........of course.