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A question for Experienced Fila owners

Rugers-Kris

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Ruger thinks he is a person, spoiled brat! His weight gain has a bit it would seem but he sure is a good looking boy, IMO.:)You are right, a line must be drawn in order to define the breed which is why I prefer CAFIB but I know that everyone that breeds CAFIB dogs isn't doing it right but I like the standard that they call for. It is what I picture when I say "Fila".
Thought it was you and another person. ;)

I wouldn't want a mindless beast for a fila and would understand tolerance levels. I just think a line has to be drawn somewhere. As to where the line begins varies.........of course.


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His weight gain has slowed a bit*
 

aceoutdoor

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Juan I know alot of breeders on both sides and every single one considers her a Cafib breeder. Post a Cafib registration/pedigree here to see. You might not like to hear this but your dogs look nothing like most Cafib dogs in the US which is ironically a compliment.
 

Tiger12490

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Juan I know alot of breeders on both sides and every single one considers her a Cafib breeder. Post a Cafib registration/pedigree here to see. You might not like to hear this but your dogs look nothing like most Cafib dogs in the US which is ironically a compliment.

I agree actually well about the cafib fila in the states I generally do not like there houndy racy non mastiff look ... there are really alot of different types of Fila with huge phonetic differences.....I personally like my mastiff to look like one...Juan I like you Fila more than most but Cafib fila in general leave ALOT to be wanted especially as far as what you expect a MASTIFF to look like..even though a Fila is more than looks you can get a Fila that looks like a mastiff and also performs like a fila...potatoes, patatoes ..I suppose

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girldogue

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you will find what you are looking for since you have started to learn what equals a good dog :)



Oh I do keep an open mind. Although, most of the Fila's I have seen that seem to fit what I am looking for are CAFIB dogs, I certainly don't think that CAFIB is all there is or perfect. It seems so many of the Non CAFIB Filas are so much more "Mastiffy"...If that makes any sense. Much bigger and more wrinkly and that isn't what I am looking for so that is why I have swayed more towards the CAFIB lines. Yes, I have noticed that Itanhandu dogs are nearly everywhere. I also realized that in order to get what I want I will have to look very closely at the pairing versus the breeder or club for that matter. I do like the CAFIB "standard" whether or not all CAFIb breeders are actually following it.


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nice explanation :)

WHOA!!! CAFIB isnt a "type" of Fila it is the traditional and original Fila Brasileiro with some being good and some not so just like any other BREED (not type). CAFIB IS a registry and DOES paper dogs but it is very difficult to obtain papers due to their strict rules and regulations. You are also wrong about that whole "Official internationally recognized " nonsense. CAFIB was the ONLY standard recognized by the Brazilian Ministry of agriculture for some time, I know CBKC was for some time as well but they were dropped several times from recognition due to their faulty record keeping and shady practices (yep, thats true), not sure if they ever regained recognition again (maybe they did). CAFIB has organizations around the world...that makes them internationally recognized buddy. You are also incorrect about CAFIB not recognizing alot of white on a Fila... the dog can have alot of white, almost completely white if it has just 1 small brindle patch even.

BTW Thank you for the kind words on my dogs and there are several CAFIB dog breeders in the United States... Canil Forca, Canil leoas de Chacara, canil Alma Corajosa, Carioca, etc.
 

girldogue

Well-Known Member
nice explanation :)

WHOA!!! CAFIB isnt a "type" of Fila it is the traditional and original Fila Brasileiro with some being good and some not so just like any other BREED (not type). CAFIB IS a registry and DOES paper dogs but it is very difficult to obtain papers due to their strict rules and regulations. You are also wrong about that whole "Official internationally recognized " nonsense. CAFIB was the ONLY standard recognized by the Brazilian Ministry of agriculture for some time, I know CBKC was for some time as well but they were dropped several times from recognition due to their faulty record keeping and shady practices (yep, thats true), not sure if they ever regained recognition again (maybe they did). CAFIB has organizations around the world...that makes them internationally recognized buddy. You are also incorrect about CAFIB not recognizing alot of white on a Fila... the dog can have alot of white, almost completely white if it has just 1 small brindle patch even.

BTW Thank you for the kind words on my dogs and there are several CAFIB dog breeders in the United States... Canil Forca, Canil leoas de Chacara, canil Alma Corajosa, Carioca, etc.
 

chuckorlando

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cafib is considered all what Juan said to any one in cafib. To everyone else cafib may be only part of the story. It's kinda funny how a messed up looking or acting non cafib gets all kinda bashed but a crap ass cafib dog just gets passed over. Like it or not, long as their is cafib + any other kind of fila, cafib is a type. Though I have seen some real nice cafib dogs and I like the houndy look. I know I know houndy is what non cafibs are. ahahahaha, but many many cafibs look houndy as hell to me
 

Tiger12490

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Yea I dont agree wirh the way its viewed either shite CAFIB dogs are rampent and there just ignored...there equal crap on both sides I promise and there are just 2 different crap looks super mastiff or super houndy and super nervy or super docile look for a good breeder regardless of type because there are people here with great fila from both sides

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Tiger12490

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Well Chuck and Tiger I am beginning to think you guys cannot be "helped".

Lol no kidding...I think people see juan's dogs and yes there great and EXACTLY what we all want a Fila to be...both sides...but its not accurate to say thats what all Cafib fila are like...I think his over hype of the Cafib might have really clouded the judgment of many people that dont do research

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aceoutdoor

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Lol no kidding...I think people see juan's dogs and yes there great and EXACTLY what we all want a Fila to be...both sides...but its not accurate to say thats what all Cafib fila are like...I think his over hype of the Cafib might have really clouded the judgment of many people that dont do research

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Bingo. And its not only research, you have to own and personally observe this breed before you can really "get it". As far as Cafib breeders go there is no common sense middle gound, its their way or the highway. They refuse to acknowledge the truth that there have been several types of Filas since the beginning. Black, fawn, brindle and dogs with alot of white. They were around long before any of us. I have said before I like some of their dogs, would own the right one, but they are few and far between especially in the states. I could care less about CBKC, I just prefer that type of Fila.
 

dogman#1

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Errr, De la Luna is not a CAFIB breeder and I have never even heard of anyone that thinks she might be until now (you). Sene Sena (A HUGE non CAFIB breeder) even has CAFIB dogs that he got mostly from Alto Quatis and he has bred them together and even has gone to CAFIB shows...is he a CAFIB breeder? the answer is no and neither is De la Luna. Neither of them follow the CAFIB standard or breeding practices, both will breed CAFIB dogs with non CAFIB dogs and neither are registered with CAFIB as either a member or an associate of CAFIB so tell me again how anyone can say that they are CAFIB breeders?

You guys are 100% wrong when you say that my dogs do not look like anything other CAFIB breeders in the U.S have since I have dogs that I bred in other kennels in the U.S and there are many dogs that share the same bloodlines in other kennels in the U.S, Brazil and EU. Just because they dont post their dogs doesnt mean they dont exist and trust me when i tell ya there are plenty that i would love to own myself from other kennels in the U.S.

slight variations are not different types they are just slight variations within the same breed. Now when those variations become so far apart then you are talking about different types within a breed... IE, I dont understand when you guys say "I prefer the CBKC type"... what does that mean? which one do you like? the neo one, the em one, the gd one, the basset hound one? you will need to elaborate further. when someone says i prefer CAFIB type a mental image of a Fila Brasileiro pops up in my mind. Now understand for even those different "types" there would have to be a consistent level of that "type" in order for it to even be classified as its own type... think bone mouth and regular sharpei. there will always be variations within a breed as we arent cloning dogs.
 
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aceoutdoor

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Sene Sena (A HUGE non CAFIB breeder) even has CAFIB dogs that he got mostly from Alto Quatis and he has bred them together and even has gone to CAFIB shows...is he a CAFIB breeder?


LOL Went to the show with by far the most impressive dog at the show hands down(an awesome dog period) and as far as I know didn't even get a sample bag of pedigree. Exactly why I said shows suck. And that was a Cafib show who's "international" judges ignored an excellent example of the breed.
 

dogman#1

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What flavor Kool-aid is that Juan?

The flavor is called "FACTS", it isnt new but you have to dig through all the other crap to find it. you should really try some it will instantly make you smarter and less gullible...Now what show are you talking about, which dog won? BTW you are obviously not a judge (thank God) so your opinion matters not in a dog show for pure bred Fila Brasileiros. Whoever the judge was he/she was more then capable of making the correct choice. The fact that you disagreed with the judge shows how correct in their choice they were.
 
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chuckorlando

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Juan if you had FACTS to support your opinion, most people wouldn't argue against it. You have a THEORY based on he said she said and written by a dude who wrote the THEORY you argue against... Yea yea I know, he did'nt know any better.... Well that only sounds good to people who want it to sound good. To the rest of us we would say he shouldn't wrote anything at all if he did not know what the hell he was talking about. You a have a group of dudes with like minds who got together to write what they think best solidified their dogs. If what they wrote is actually correct, I dont know. Maybe it is. But it damn sure aint wrote on the backs of scientific facts. Fact is, not the first one of us know what a fila looked like 100yrs ago. You dont even know what is in the make up of a fila. Even you argue for spanish mastiff as it makes "sense" What kinda facts are those? Facts can be proven, yet not un proven. I'm not saying you cant offer evidence to support what your saying... I am saying you cant offer enough to make anyone who deals in FACTS, say you proved your case beyond any doubt. I'm a ubber logical dude, and logicly I dont see iron clad proof of anything except you have multiple types of filas, and they should look like and act like a fila. And the only reason people say types, is because of cafib. You guys and all your facts try to set your self over there and scream the guys over there aint the same. That makes you, and them. More than one is more than one. Cafib, non cafib. Thats 2.
 

dogman#1

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Chuck, that is not true. The FACTS are PSC was HIRED, as in paid to write a standard based on 1 kennel in Rio for a breed he didnt know anything about. They hired him because he was a well respected judge. Have you guys ever read the original standard? it is so vague that pretty much any mollosser would fall within its standard. There were multiple "types" within that kennel in Rio which is why the standard was so vague. Should he have written that standard knowing so little about the breed? NO! however he was paid to do so and told that particular breeder had the goods, he did the best he could with what he had. the ONLY reason people refuse to see these things as FACTS is because of their emotional bond with their dog and their pride. No one wants to say that they made a mistake, no one wants to say that something they love and nurtured since puppyhood is less then what they projected onto them. Many have done just that, inFACT many of today's U.S CAFIB breeders started with non CAFIB dogs but they obviously swollowed their pride and aknowledged FACT (apparently a refreshing kool aid flavor). I dont know anyone who will say without a shadow of a doubt what exactly went into the make up of the Fila Brasileiro breed just like no one knows within a shadow of a doubt what went into and at what percentages made up ANY breed. you stated that there are 2...CAFIB and non CAFIB but that is misleading. That makes it sound as if you have one set of dogs that look like "this" and another set that looks like "this" but that is incorrect. on one side you have CAFIB that looks like "this" and non CAFIB that looks like "this", "that" and the other...in order to have a type withing a breed there has to be some uniformity within that type and that just hasnt happened yet. The argument for non CAFIB would be alot more solid if they had a consistent type, they just need to pick one and go with it instead of creating new ones daily. The reason it is so hard for them to do so (and it really isnt their fault) is that their dogs are too far apart in looks, temperament, structure, size, etc. that was achieved 1 way and we all know that was via mix breeding. That being said all they have to do is decide which one they like the best... the neo mix, the em mix, GD mix, basset mix, or the one that has multiple mixes in it and once they decide which one they can move forward, until then I have no idea how they continue to fool folks that are supposed "knowledgeable" dogmen/dogwomen.

BTW, look at the Akita to show that it could be done... 2 types, 1 breed. Akita Inu and the American Akita (Great Japanese dog) which i happen to like better. both are "Akitas" although the American Akita had more recent influx of other breeds however both breed true, another words both are now consistent.
 
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aceoutdoor

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the ONLY reason people refuse to see these things as FACTS is because of their emotional bond with their dog and their pride. No one wants to say that they made a mistake, no one wants to say that something they love and nurtured since puppyhood is less then what they projected onto them.

mclaughlin wrong.jpg I want the best dogs period, whether it be CBKC, Cafib, XYZ123 whatever.





The argument for non CAFIB would be alot more solid if they had a consistent type,

The arguement for the Cafib would be alot more solid if they had a consistent type.