Will The Real Cane Corso Please Stand Up? There are fakes among us....

[Mario]

Is there a way to check the bloodlines of my new cc puppy since both his parents are iccf registered? I had a vet tell me Duke is too fluffy to be a cc, but i seen both his parents and i assured him he wasnt a mut.

I've heard people mention DNA testing ... But in reading here it sounds like it wouldn't be uncommon for a CC to have varying traits though. Maybe you vet isn't super familiar with CC? A few times people have asked or tried to tell me Mario has some boxer in him. He doesn't but I take it with a grain of salt because- very few Bullmastiffs in our area (or really only a few mastiff breeds period outside of EM & GD), the brindle color & he's not huge & boxy (def bigger than a boxer, but since he was neutered young not typical BM size either + he's still young at 18m has lots of filling out to go). However I know he's 100% so I just let it slide. Though our vets don't question it- just people with boxers or who know someone, who knows someone that has a bullmastiff.

 

[Bean]

I wonder if the standard genetic test they do is actually accurate? Anyone had experience with this? I know of a friend who sent her dog's sample by mail (they have a mutt) and the results that came back were really odd!

 

[cinnamon roll]

DNA test are not accurate. Check out Catias thread regarding that.

I wonder if the standard genetic test they do is actually accurate? Anyone had experience with this? I know of a friend who sent her dog's sample by mail (they have a mutt) and the results that came back were really odd!

 

[cinnamon roll]

It is considering an attack when you take pics of our members dogs and start saying they are mutts etc.

Nowhere did I attack anyone nor was it my intentions of disrespecting anyone (I created a thread title to grab people's attention to start a discussion). I'm just simply stating the facts. Some of these Cane Corsos don't look the same. I just wanted to show examples of this and you just happen to have a picture section on your website. I just selected two that looked very much different than each other. I think both dogs look beautiful. I was actually googling around for a Cane Corso lab mix because someone on another forum said that they had some for sale. I thought that was an interesting mix. Labs are very loving and caring and so are Cane Corsos. Seemed like an interesting mix. Like a jumbo sized Lab with fierceness!

I'm actually interested in the mix breeds. Like the Cane Corso/Pit and the labrador corso.
Labrador Corso Information and Pictures Labrador Retriever / Cane Corso Hybrid Dogs

Who is breading these dogs I guess I'd have to ask? Could I get a breeder of Cane Corso and a Labrador make me some special babies? Money is no issue.

It just seems to me that there are Cane Corso's that have mixed blood. They aren't 50/50 splits but it looks like they have some other bloodlines in them. I've literally looked at every dog bred in existence (even the super rare ones) and I keep on gravitating my self towards the Cane Corso. I'm also intrigued with Xoloitzcuintles (standard size... muscular looking). What an interesting dog that is, so much history! I think one can say that is truly the first American dog. Native Americans where using it far before we came to their land.

 

[joelc79]

So... ICCF names/papers dont have any background

 

[cinnamon roll]

http://www.mastiff-forum.com/showthread.php/13084-I-m-getting-frustrated-with-the-lack-of-response/page4?highlight=catia

Start around page 5 to read about the DNA test.

From what I have read these tests do not seem to be accurate. Many people have complained about the results.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

So... ICCF names/papers dont have any background

I am not sure what you mean by background but the dogs in your pedigree but there is a Cane Corso data base you can look up dogs in if they were entered. ICCF was the first registry for the breed in the US but now that the breed is AKC accepted most are registered that way now as the stud book closes in 2015 and ICCF papers will not be accepted by AKC anymore.


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[khplaw]

As to the history of the corso...

I want to state that I have no expertise in this particular area, and share the information my research has produced. Corsi descent from the Canis Pugnax, being those dogs bred to accompany the Romans to war. It can be assumed they fought both man and beast. As the Romans diminished, and the need for this activity for the Corsi diminished with it, their use was "reassigned" to that of bear/boar/bull baiting and anything along those lines. As the need for these activities also diminished, the corsi became guardians of property and persons. In all the reading I have done, there is little said about how these dogs acquired or perfected these particular skills. It can be assumed is was learned behavior, but genetics certainly played a part to be sure. Being an extremely task oriented breed, one suspects they learn what they see and are instructed to do.

How the breed remained so pure is due largely to the fact that they were treasured by the farmers in Southern Italy, who fought to keep the breed pure. They were given as gifts to royalty, and interbreeding to change/improve/alter the lines was not a favored practice. Take a moment and read the History of the Cane Corso section of the CANE CORSO by Emily Bates, widely considered to be the definitive work on the breed. I would cut and paste the section for you, but it is not available in that manner.

It can be argued far and wide who did what to whom, but until you put the time in yourself to discover how things came to be this way, there may not be an answer that satisfies you all. Suffice to say, Southern Italy was very proud of their dogs and kept their lines pure enough that in the 1970's, when an corso admirer of 20 plue years decided to rescue the breed from imminent extinction, he searched far and wide, discovering pockets of Pure corsos in Puglia, Sannino and Lucianna. Family rivalries were apparent based upon the best dog, ensuring that the blood lines were well utilized. Resurecting the breed began in this time period, and it was not demonstrated that anything other than Corsi were used. In other countries it may be argued that the lines were diminished as their needs may have differed, so that may be where some of the dilution began. Hope that helps!

 

[Rich_S]

People get too wound up in "conformity".

Have a look at this (and click through to the book cited in the link):

100 Years of Breed | Science of Dogs

Most common dog breeds today look nothing at all like those breeds looked like 100 years ago.

 

[Bean]

Interesting link, the old school boxer resembles many of today's ccs.

 

[Smokin45]

I am not sure what you mean by background but the dogs in your pedigree but there is a Cane Corso data base you can look up dogs in if they were entered. ICCF was the first registry for the breed in the US but now that the breed is AKC accepted most are registered that way now as the stud book closes in 2015 and ICCF papers will not be accepted by AKC anymore.


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So if your CC is ICCF registered, you can send in that paperwork to get AKC?

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Yes but be sure to do it before July 2015 (double check with AKC stud book closure date to be sure). If the parents were not registered akc, than your dog will be entered in the foundation stock section as the first generation to you line.


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[Smokin45]

Wow I did not know that, thank you.

 

[khplaw]

Hello, I'm new to the forums and new to dogs. Heck, I've never owned one! One thing I'm good at is being observant and what I've been noticing (very apparent to me) is that there seems to be different "Cane Corso" dogs. I'm no expert but what I do know is that the Cane Corso originates in Italy and can be categorized as a Molosser. It is a type of Mastiff. What I've been noticing is a big decrepancy in the looks of different "Cane Corsos". It would make sense if the dogs originating from Italy have the typical jowels seen in many Mastiff breeds but what I'm noticing is that there seems to be many "Cane Corso" with much less jowels than others. Is this some sort of American Cane Corso?

This is what I mean, these dogs look different but they are in the "Cane Corso" picture section of this website:
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That dog looks like a cross between a lab and a Cane Corso (look at the head shape and ears)

And there's this picture:
View attachment 36407 That HAS to be a mix between an American Staffordshire Terrier and a Cane Corso (just look at the head shape).

But both users are saying they have a "Cane Corso" and aren't specifying that it is a mix. I'm noticing "Cane Corsos" with jowels (I can only imagine the one that originates from Italy having jowels) while I've seen many with suppressed jowels. That can't be the same standard of dog?

I actually like the look of the ones with less Jowles, I know this can't be the standard Cane Corso but it must drool less? Right?

Someone who knows about the breed tell me I'm not going crazy! I've been researching this breed but I keep on seeing so many different variations of this breed. It is hard to tell what some of these "Cane Corsos" actually are (have they mixed the gene pool here in America?)

Seems like you have done alot of reading about the breed. There is so much more to know before you launch into corso ownership. Corso crosses are still very much corso. It's not like mixing black and white and getting gray, you have a melange of temperament and aggressive tendencies at best.

And there is alot to know when dealing with them in person. Have you ever met or handled one? You might maybe consider doing that before going much farther.

And as for being "fake" is that your screen name? Or a new one?

 

[Gixxer]

Yes they're lots of different types of cane corsos, but they still have a breed standard like any other purebred dog.

 

[grazefull1]

https://archive.org/stream/dogsofallnations00masorich#page/n5/mode/2up