Schutzhund training

[jsavoni]

Good video. The only thing I'm afraid of would be to get a trainer who doesn't really know what he's/she's doing, and then have my dog aggressive with my kids around or something . To be honest I haven't even seen protection training in my while state.

 

[Cody]

Kristina, Esters new pup Croc is 1/2 sibling to Irina's boy Ajax. They have the same daddy. Cric is out of the Del'Agreste C litter whelped at my house Yes, every pup has different drives. Croc for example has nice prey and defence and her Littermate Canuck is super laid back and chill, he is well on his way as a service dog. The boy I kept Tuna has crazy drive, confidence and attitude. If I had the time he would be ideal for a sport dog That said between life, kids, work and dogs I will focus on performance sports with him as I do not have the time to dedicate

 

[KristinandCianna]

jsavoni, that is always a concern when doing any kind of protection training, you just have to find a knowledgeable trainer, who knows how to work dogs. Take your time! Cody, very cool!! Tuna and Croc both seem like super nice pups!! That is how I like my pups =). I totally hear you on the time, I've even had a hard time getting everything done with Cianna, its very time consuming. I can't imagine having kids, and other dogs, there is just no way. Any performance sport is worthwhile, and fun!

 

[Alla Zilberg]

Maybe the cc lines in Italy are different. I don't know and won't argue with you. And as I said, there are corsos who do well. Each dog is different, hence the evaluation. I contacted many IPO clubs in the area, and most of them would not even consider evaluating any mastiff type breed. When I did eventually find one who would consider Ajax and came to watch the training, it became very clear very quickly that he does not have the intensity or the desire to work that the dogs there had. Yes, it could have been just the particular temperament of my dog, but his parents, siblings and other mastiffs I know are not a lot different.
I am not an expert in the field by any means, but I have been told my people who have been training and judging IPO for many years that there are few mastiffs in IPO and for a good reason.

E1kpo, unfortunately more and more low drive litters are being bred here. The pups are easy to place and it reduces the potential liability for a breeder of a dog possibly biting someone. Also, may “breeders†just have no clue what “drive†means – how can you know if you have never trained and competed with a dog? It becomes rather hard to find a proper tempered Corso that has strong drives and is balanced and sound. I am yet to see a Corso with a drive for IPO locally. No wonder IPO people here are amazed when they see my Corso work and be social.

I have a male that I imported from NY – he is heavily line bred to Conan on one side and is a Rivale’s Mojo son (a dog known to produce many working offsprings). I am a first time dog owner and trainer, and he is IPO 2a and FR Brevet. So, I agree with you – proper tempered and stable Corso can easily do the sport. In fact, in his IPO 2a routine, my male outperformed and beat all but 1 GSD in his OB routine and all but 2 GSDs in Protection. This is the “alternative†breed trained and handled by 1[SUP]st[/SUP] time owner and trainer.

This is a video of his OB I took 2 winters ago in my basement. I would not say this is a “low drive mastiffâ€. My “low drive mastiff†took high scores numerous times in CKC OB, beating traditional breeds. As well as got high OB in his IPO 1a…
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Irina, what clubs have you contacted that won’t evaluate a Corso? I am just curious as I know people and clubs in BC.

Jsavoni, if you think your dog has what it takes – this sport builds and incredible bond between you and your dog. Its not a safe sport – I have seen many injuries, including a working injury my male is now recovering from. It also, as Kristin said, requires huge dedication and discipline. Most important, imo, is to start with a STABLE and drivy dog – the rest will come.

 

[irina]

Alla, here is the e-mail I got from West Coast German Shepherd Shutzhund Club:

Hello Irina

We do not take Cane corso. These dogs do not have the temperament and drives for schutzhund. I do not know of any other club that takes these dogs. Sorry.
Schutzhund is a high level challenging sport that requires a lot from a dog and only certain breeds can do this. And even in those breeds not every individual can.

You could try some other clubs, on this link, but I don*t think you will find other clubs much different

http://gsscc-westernregion.com/


Gabi

 

[Alla Zilberg]

Alla, here is the e-mail I got from West Coast German Shepherd Shutzhund Club:

Hello Irina

We do not take Cane corso. These dogs do not have the temperament and drives for schutzhund. I do not know of any other club that takes these dogs. Sorry.
Schutzhund is a high level challenging sport that requires a lot from a dog and only certain breeds can do this. And even in those breeds not every individual can.

You could try some other clubs, on this link, but I don*t think you will find other clubs much different

http://gsscc-westernregion.com/


Gabi

Thank Irina,
I don't know Gabi, but know that club fairly well - they have national level competitors and judges and are a really good / strong club. Too bad they did not invite you out. Corsos DO have a stigma attached to them and for a good reason, unfortunately. Its hard - you always face that on a working field with an "alternative" breed, let alone with a Corso.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

That pisses me off, we scream about breed bias when it comes BSL but then other dog breed owners do it to others. I have no respect for a club that will not at least invited the dog out to evaluate and talk stuff over with them. To exclude a dog based solely on breed is just BS. Not saying there are lots of corso that can do this or even more than a few but if they shut them down before even evaluating and discussing what the evaluation reveals is wrong.

 

[Alla Zilberg]

That pisses me off, we scream about breed bias when it comes BSL but then other dog breed owners do it to others. I have no respect for a club that will not at least invited the dog out to evaluate and talk stuff over with them. To exclude a dog based solely on breed is just BS. Not saying there are lots of corso that can do this or even more than a few but if they shut them down before even evaluating and discussing what the evaluation reveals is wrong.

Mary, its an unfortunate consequence of poorly bred Corsos that people have seen, so it is as much a responsibility and doing of local "breeders" as it is of the club. IPO is created for GSDs so some clubs will not accept anything but that breed.

I can tell you that I get emails non stop about people wanting to join our club. More promising ones - I invite to come out without a dog for 3-4 sessions to see what the sport is all about and what it requires and then bring out a pup. Some don't even make it the 1st time, as all they want is a free "evaluation" to prove to themselves they have "mean" dog so they can brag about it. Others make it 1st time and take a LOT and I mean a lot of valuable club time. We all work and have other responsibility, so to have someone come out every training session and take 4-6 hours of our time takes away greatly from training and then these people are not even serious about the sport! Also, we would rather keep our location somewhat private to avoid people thinking its ok to just show up there and run their dogs. After 2-3 sessions most stop coming out as they realize the dedication it takes. Now, that's people who have the "right" breed and appear to have the right attitude. Combine that with a breed with extremely poor reputation and you get exactly that - no desire to waste time Its disappointing but I totally understand where it originates...

If you really DO want to get into IPO, the approach would be to go and meet the people, friend them, etc. I got in - Safir is 1st IPO corso in Canada, so it IS possible and I knew NO ONE when I started.

 

[NASAdog]

jsavoni and irina,

As Alla said, much of the breed bias comes from poor representatives of the "off" breeds coming out and just wanting an eval so they can pat themselves on the back. I think some other clubs are just used to training a certain dog a certain way and don't want to be bothered having to think outside the box a bit with another breed.
When i got into this sport about 2 years ago i had to be a squeaky wheel to even be "allowed" to come out. I got similar responses from a few, but just kept badgering the one i had heard the most good things about. Eventually they let me come out. Also, if you can show your dedication up front, i think you will have a better chance of a club wanting to invest time and effort in you. Learn about the sport as much as you can on your own and maybe try to get some nice obedience on your dog, so when you go there you can SHOW them you are not just some yahoo with a CC Good luck and let us know if you decide to pursue it. It is very rewarding!