Questions about Pecking Order & new schools of thought & the jargon that goes with it

[BradA1878]

Re: Questions about Pecking Order & new schools of thought & the jargon that goes wit

Reduce intensity of punishment? I don't get that. If Boone messes up small or starts a new irritating behavior, he's told a firm No (with the act in process) and then he gets ignored. No treats, no play, no swat, nothing. 99%, he doesn't do it again (he's a dream to train). The 1% that the behavior does repeat, he gets a time out in addition to the ignoring. Never happens again. He's the known the difference between right and wrong since day 1 and he knows what will get him in trouble and what "mama will be okay to let go of".

What do you mean you "don't get that"? My post was directed at the quote I posted in it, not toward you.

What you are describing above is negative punishment coupled with a bridge (the word "no"). If you actually consistently train with this regiment, then you do not need to reduce or increase intensity as your punishment is based on the removal of positive things.

The post I quoted in my post was positive punishment, without the use of a bridge. When using positive punishment, if the intensity of the initial punishment (hit, kick, shock, etc) is reduced, then the effectiveness of the punishment is also reduced.

In your case, the same applies, but the decrease/increase comes in the form of consistency. If you are not 100% consistent with your negative punishment after the use of your bridge (the word "no") then the effectiveness of your bridge will decrease.

So what don't you get?

 

[NeSaxena]

Re: Questions about Pecking Order & new schools of thought & the jargon that goes wit

Ahhhh.. like that... Now I get it!

Ignore me, I'm slow usually...

 

[lizzy.bu]

Re: Questions about Pecking Order & new schools of thought & the jargon that goes wit

thank you all-i now can breath a sigh of relief, because I am the alpha bitch of this house lol, but please don't tell my cats!

Lol too true!!!

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

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I know you guys are excited to hear my POV on this. lol

Here is the deal, with the story above, I'd like to point out why this is an ineffective correction...


In order for a correction to be effective, without a conditioned bridge, you need to give that correction within 3 seconds of the dog's behavior. By the time you dragged him to house, he had already lost the understanding of *why* you were dragging him and he certainly didn't understand the point of the butt-swat. Instead you probably just taught him that when you grab his collar and drag him, you end that behavior with a butt-swat.

For a correction to be effective, it needs to be immediate and harsh enough to where the dog will not try the behavior again - the correction needs to be so harsh that the dog reconsiders that behavior before he performs it again for fear of the correction.

This is why so many people screw up using punishment. Typically we reduce the intensity of the punishment the more we perform it, as we are not fully committed to the end result. If you plan to use punishment on your dog, it needs to be done with an escalating intensity and with impeccable timing, otherwise you just look like a crazy person to your dog (oh, here comes that crazy person who drags me by my collar then taps me on the butt for no reason at all - or - here comes that person who grabs me a rubs my face in my own waste for no reason at all).

I disagree Brad, Bear was collared immediately after ignoring me, which is a typical Akita trait and unless handled firmly this breed will become ignorant and rude. The distance he was taken to the door was 2 maybe 3 ft, which took a matter of seconds, my attitude at the time was strong and serious but calm and in control. The 'swat' was more of a 'get your butt thru the door' than a firm smack. All in all he was reminded that he should mind his manners and do as he is asked rather than push it and see what he can get away with. Once you let an Akita think they can play you and don't have to mind their p's and q's you are asking for a hard to handle and possibly dangerous dog that thinks it runs your life and calls the shots rather than the other way around. Akitas need a firm but fair hand, lots of love and rules with boundaries and a gentle reminder from time to time that they have to mind their manners.

 

[musicdeb]

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Yeap, you should check out the Fila threads, this is nothing compared to them. :lol:

hahahahahahaha