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Winterspring

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So, my whole life, I've been wanting a dog. A BIG dog. I didn't want a little frou-frou lap dog. I have three cats. If I wanted something small and floofy, I would have gotten another cat. Especially since my 13.5 year old tortoiseshell cat is a bit...crabby and would probably put the poor thing's eye out.&nbsp;<br><br>My boyfriend and I had finally made the decision. After literally decades of research, we decided that we were going to get a dog and make my dream come true. It seemed that no specific dog would meet our criteria, except, of course, dogs that would be banned from our lease. (Doberman Pinschers are actually my favorites, but...naturally, they're a no-no, even though I've never met one that wasn't a complete honey-mush.) Bloodhounds seemed a good choice for us. So did Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs. (Try finding one of THOSE in a pound.) I'd read about Mastiffs, and loved the sound of them. Calm, sweet-natured, huge, silly, not terribly high-energy, but enough that it would force me to get off my butt to take care of my dog. (I won't do a thing for my own health, but if it means the health of my dog, I'll do it. I won't sacrifice his care for my own laziness.)<br><br>After searching shelter after shelter, we looked at craigslist on a lark. There he was, a beautiful dog that looked cheerful and silly, cuddly and enormous. Just what we wanted. When I talked to the girl on the phone, she said something about him having been one of only two survivors of Parvo in a litter of 18 pups (18? Sounded like bull to me) and that she'd gotten him from a breeder in Mesa, AZ. She said he was a Brazilian Mastiff, and I'd NEVER heard of one. In all that research, I'd never come across the name. Perhaps because I may have grazed over the name Fila Brasileiro and dismissed it because it sounded too rare to actually reasonably acquire one. She said he was very sweet, and named some of the commands he knew, and that he was the product of a sire and dam that were both imported from Brazil, blah blah. I thought she was just making him sound more special to entice me to buy him. ($100) She told me Bloodhound was in this particular breed of Mastiff's bloodline, which made me think, "Hey. Sounds right up our alley."<br><br>They were getting rid of him because he'd developed some aggression towards their other dogs (Huskies) after having sired an illicit litter with one of the Husky females. We have no other dogs, and I figured after a good neutering and some training, we could get him to settle down. Again, I thought she was blowing smoke up my rear, and we went to see him. Yes, he was initially distrustful. I didn't mind. I liked that he was protective. They had a baby in a walker and he practically put the kid's head in his mouth, wagging his tail while the baby giggled and patted him. He seemed a bit shy, but as soon as she touched my hand, he seemed okay with me petting him. I didn't care what kind of Mastiff he was. He was beautiful, with a dark coat and silly ears, and what seemed like a calm, floppy disposition. He didn't display any of the traits I later read about.&nbsp;<br><br>When got him home, THEN I did the research. I wondered if she really WAS having me on. She wasn't. Hunting. Guarding. Wonderful with family, but hackles rise with strangers. Herding. Was there anything this dog&nbsp;<em>didn't&nbsp;</em>do? But the aggression. The fact that he was banned in at least ten countries, and that it was illegal to import them to others. National Dog of Brazil. "Faithful as a Fila". There, at my feet, lay a $2000 dog, the National Treasure of a major country, drooling at my foot and looking up at me with one ear folded inside-out. Dear God, what had I done?? This was NOT a dog for a first-time dog owner! It's one of the reasons I didn't get an Akita! And now I have him.&nbsp;<br><br>I WILL adjust. I WILL not give him up. I WILL be a good Mama to him, come hell or high water. I took on the responsibility, and my whole family (four adults and three cats) WILL pitch in to help meet his needs. Where would I send him? How could I trust someone? How could I possibly toss someone into the fire of a dog this incredible, this remarkable, and be satisfied that they would take proper care of him?? He's our "youngest" now, and I REFUSE to be any more irresponsible than I already feel I am. Especially since he's almost everything I wanted in a dog.&nbsp;<br><br>But I need advice. I know this is a long post, but I felt you needed some background on how I acquired him, and that I now know that people need to be more educated about the rarer breeds. His name is Taurus.&nbsp;<br><br>What We Have Observed:&nbsp;<br><br>He's house-trained. We didn't know for sure that he was, because there were numerous accidents, but putting him on a strict schedule for watering and feeding (he was free-feeding before) helps, and we have learned his signals, and he understands the question, "Do you need to go to the back door?"&nbsp;<br><br>Taurus is incredibly intelligent and VERY eager to please. He's learning "Left Hand" and "Right Hand".&nbsp;<br><br>He doesn't seem quite as energetic as other Filas have been reported to be, except at the most inconvenient times possible. Like bedtime.&nbsp;<br><br>He has a rather worrisome tendency to jump on things, making me worry about his hips and elbows.<br><br>He sticks close to Mama and if I'm having an argument with my boyfriend, he'll bark and growl at him, standing between the two of us, defending me, tail still wagging as if to say, "I still love you, but don't you dare hurt my mommy".&nbsp;<br><br>He's only nipped twice at people. Once at my boyfriend, who was trying to give kisses while Taurus was growling ( &gt;_&lt; idiot....) and once at my friend, who was trying to pet Taurus while he was...you guessed it....growling. ( &gt;_&lt; idiot....) I think Taurus was perfectly justified.&nbsp;<br><br>He snores. And it's hilarious. And he pouts.&nbsp;<br><br>His favorite treat is ice cubes, which I give him when he's been exercising and I don't want to give him a big bowl of water because I'm absolutely terrified of gastric torsion. (I spent a lot of my youth working with horses. It stood to reason that if I don't want to give a horse a big bucket of water after exercising, why would I treat my dog any differently?) Similarly, pregnant women chew ice chips, so I figured, "Hm. Maybe an ice cube or two to keep him hydrated and cool him off?" He loves it.&nbsp;<br><br>That tail is possibly deadly. I have bruises on the back of my legs.&nbsp;<br><br>He has an unfortunate propensity for leaping directly for soft spots like: kidneys, ovaries, the family jewels, throats, diaphragms and stomachs.&nbsp;<br><br>The Bloodhound line seems strong in him, as he sniffs around a LOT, and doesn't seem to have much of a prey drive when it comes to the cats. Cornering them to call the "hunter" (me) hasn't worked well for him. A couple of swats and he's left two of them alone for the most part. The third, Mayhem, is a large black cat, and Taurus can't seem to understand why the other dark, fuzzy thing doesn't want to play with him. It's...sorta sad. Poor Taurus.&nbsp;<br><u><br>Things We are Doing for Him<br></u><br>We have hired a professional trainer to come and help us with how to interact properly with him, and how to tone down the ojizera so that we can have people over without relegating him to the backyard and he won't spend the entire time uncomfortable or growling, so that he's more aloof with them than aggressive. I don't expect him to just be okay with new people. He's not a Labrador. He's not an Irish Setter. I refuse to attempt breaking him of his breeding entirely. I just want my friends to be as enamored of him as I am. And when I bring him out, I want him to be an ambassador for his breed. Even if he can't be bred.&nbsp;<br><br>We are going to build a ramp for him to get on the bed with us. To save his hips and elbows.&nbsp;<br><br>We are getting a swimming pool so that we can all get a good, LOW impact workout. Crappy joints run in the family. Ours, not his.&nbsp;<br><br>Weekly baths with homemade shampoo, and a good brushing every few days between baths to keep his skin in good condition, to reduce stinkiness, to make him pretty, as a bonding exercise, and so I can run my hands all over him, looking for oddities and unusual bumps, lumps, scratches, redness, etc.&nbsp;<br><br>Going to get him on decent food. He's eating crap right now, but decent food must be introduced slowly, as you all know, to avoid diarrhea or other problems.&nbsp;<br><br>I have a veterinarian appointment for him the morning the trainer will be here (Saturday morning...so all family members can be present) so I can give her absolutely up-to-date information on his health.&nbsp;<br><br>I try not to give him too many treats. It's very difficult, because he's so cute. Yet another good use for the ice cubes. I don't have to feel guilty about those. And NO people food. (On purpose. He got into the bacon grease one night. Not pretty.<br><u><br>Questions I Have<br><br></u>1) He's just a year old. I know that giant breeds mature more slowly. We've been operating under the assumption that he's still a puppy. Is this correct?&nbsp;<br><br>2) I've been told by some (none of them veterinarians) that I should wait to neuter him until he is at least 18 months - 2 years old because I would have to introduce foreign testosterone into his system to continue his growth. I do not like the idea of introducing something into his body that it didn't create on its own, unless it's medication for an illness. He absolutely must be neutered. Yeah, I realize I could probably make a mint off stud fees, but his coloring is wrong, I think, being a dark sable color that's a little peppery, as if in utero, he couldn't decide if he wanted to be black or brindle, and ended up kinda both, and all mixed up. I like it, but I don't think it's breed-correct. Plus, I think he's cow-hocked, which isn't good for anything. Except cows. And even if I wasn't able to be as responsible as I would like to have been, I would like to think I wouldn't breed a dog that wasn't breed-sound.&nbsp;<br><br>3) Is what I've been doing for him good?&nbsp;<br><br>4) How do I encourage him to play more? Seems whenever we try to run around with him or play "tuggies", he looks at us like we're dopes.&nbsp;<br><br>5) CAN the ojizera be toned down some? I don't want it ALL gone. I know it CAN'T be all gone. I just want to be able to have people over without an incident, or sticking him elsewhere in the house or outside. He's such a good boy. I want everyone who sees him to be as impressed as I am with him, and to adore him as much as I do.&nbsp;<br><br>Any and all advice and assistance is appreciated. I refuse to let my dog, who I've been waiting for all my life, suffer because of my initial ignorance.&nbsp;<img src="images/smilies/frown.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" smilieid="11" class="inlineimg">&nbsp;I love him, even when he's hogging the bed, and every time I look into those gorgeous yellow eyes, I fall in love all over again.&nbsp;
 

musicdeb

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Welcome aboard~ We have a few Fila owners who I'm sure will reply to your post. It's kind of a hard read because in this forum you do not need to add the HTML coding.

All I know is that if you are going to own a Fila, you need to be well informed and ready for dog that will most likely not accept anyone else except those who live in your house. Any other person will be considered an intruder since you are adopting a Fila that you have not raised since a pup. How old is the pup?
 

Winterspring

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Thank you both. I know that the coding showed up, and am quite annoyed at it, and tried to fix it, but it told me that my time window had passed for editing. >_O
 

chuckorlando

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You really gotta shorten up these post. ahahahahaha. I made it about half way through and figured I wa just gonna post. Any specific questions you have, lat them out a couple at a time.

It's past the time of carring how you got the pup. He's yours now and you intend to keep him so thats settled.

Here's my biggest concern.... He nipped at your friend. Fila's dont have friends. A fila could give a rats ass how you feel about someone, they dont like them. Unless they spend a ton of time with the dog, you can not trust your dog around people. Dont take that as anything other then what I said. With almost no exceptions, you dont let a fila run free around anyone outside of the family that the dog calls family.I would also caution everyone concerned about getting in that dogs face. Untill he has bonded with everyone, stay away from his teeth. If that dog bonds to you all it takes is someones hand to move to fast and a fila will turn on. I assure you, your BF dont want a fila hanging from his face. Because if the fila is sound, the more your BF struggles the more the dog ramps up. I know you all think the dogs friendly enough. And he may be. But with this breed you need to approach every situation as if it's gonna be worst case. Once you learn the dogs temp you can adjust, but just assume he's gonna be hard as nails.
 

Winterspring

Well-Known Member
So, my whole life, I've been wanting a dog. A BIG dog. I didn't want a little frou-frou lap dog. I have three cats. If I wanted something small and floofy, I would have gotten another cat. Especially since my 13.5 year old tortoiseshell cat is a bit...crabby and would probably put the poor thing's eye out.

My boyfriend and I had finally made the decision. After literally decades of research, we decided that we were going to get a dog and make my dream come true. It seemed that no specific dog would meet our criteria, except, of course, dogs that would be banned from our lease. (Doberman Pinschers are actually my favorites, but...naturally, they're a no-no, even though I've never met one that wasn't a complete honey-mush.) Bloodhounds seemed a good choice for us. So did Greater Swiss Mountain Dogs. (Try finding one of THOSE in a pound.) I'd read about Mastiffs, and loved the sound of them. Calm, sweet-natured, huge, silly, not terribly high-energy, but enough that it would force me to get off my butt to take care of my dog. (I won't do a thing for my own health, but if it means the health of my dog, I'll do it. I won't sacrifice his care for my own laziness.)

After searching shelter after shelter, we looked at craigslist on a lark. There he was, a beautiful dog that looked cheerful and silly, cuddly and enormous. Just what we wanted. When I talked to the girl on the phone, she said something about him having been one of only two survivors of Parvo in a litter of 18 pups (18? Sounded like bull to me) and that she'd gotten him from a breeder in Mesa, AZ. She said he was a Brazilian Mastiff, and I'd NEVER heard of one. In all that research, I'd never come across the name. Perhaps because I may have grazed over the name Fila Brasileiro and dismissed it because it sounded too rare to actually reasonably acquire one. She said he was very sweet, and named some of the commands he knew, and that he was the product of a sire and dam that were both imported from Brazil, blah blah. I thought she was just making him sound more special to entice me to buy him. ($100) She told me Bloodhound was in this particular breed of Mastiff's bloodline, which made me think, "Hey. Sounds right up our alley."

They were getting rid of him because he'd developed some aggression towards their other dogs (Huskies) after having sired an illicit litter with one of the Husky females. We have no other dogs, and I figured after a good neutering and some training, we could get him to settle down. Again, I thought she was blowing smoke up my rear, and we went to see him. Yes, he was initially distrustful. I didn't mind. I liked that he was protective. They had a baby in a walker and he practically put the kid's head in his mouth, wagging his tail while the baby giggled and patted him. He seemed a bit shy, but as soon as she touched my hand, he seemed okay with me petting him. I didn't care what kind of Mastiff he was. He was beautiful, with a dark coat and silly ears, and what seemed like a calm, floppy disposition. He didn't display any of the traits I later read about.

When got him home, THEN I did the research. I wondered if she really WAS having me on. She wasn't. Hunting. Guarding. Wonderful with family, but hackles rise with strangers. Herding. Was there anything this dog didn't do? But the aggression. The fact that he was banned in at least ten countries, and that it was illegal to import them to others. National Dog of Brazil. "Faithful as a Fila". There, at my feet, lay a $2000 dog, the National Treasure of a major country, drooling at my foot and looking up at me with one ear folded inside-out. Dear God, what had I done?? This was NOT a dog for a first-time dog owner! It's one of the reasons I didn't get an Akita! And now I have him.

I WILL adjust. I WILL not give him up. I WILL be a good Mama to him, come hell or high water. I took on the responsibility, and my whole family (four adults and three cats) WILL pitch in to help meet his needs. Where would I send him? How could I trust someone? How could I possibly toss someone into the fire of a dog this incredible, this remarkable, and be satisfied that they would take proper care of him?? He's our "youngest" now, and I REFUSE to be any more irresponsible than I already feel I am. Especially since he's almost everything I wanted in a dog.

But I need advice. I know this is a long post, but I felt you needed some background on how I acquired him, and that I now know that people need to be more educated about the rarer breeds. His name is Taurus.

What We Have Observed:

He's house-trained. We didn't know for sure that he was, because there were numerous accidents, but putting him on a strict schedule for watering and feeding (he was free-feeding before) helps, and we have learned his signals, and he understands the question, "Do you need to go to the back door?"

Taurus is incredibly intelligent and VERY eager to please. He's learning "Left Hand" and "Right Hand".

He doesn't seem quite as energetic as other Filas have been reported to be, except at the most inconvenient times possible. Like bedtime.

He has a rather worrisome tendency to jump on things, making me worry about his hips and elbows.

He sticks close to Mama and if I'm having an argument with my boyfriend, he'll bark and growl at him, standing between the two of us, defending me, tail still wagging as if to say, "I still love you, but don't you dare hurt my mommy".

He's only nipped twice at people. Once at my boyfriend, who was trying to give kisses while Taurus was growling (idiot....) and once at my friend, who was trying to pet Taurus while he was...you guessed it....growling. (idiot....) I think Taurus was perfectly justified.

He snores. And it's hilarious. And he pouts.

His favorite treat is ice cubes, which I give him when he's been exercising and I don't want to give him a big bowl of water because I'm absolutely terrified of gastric torsion. (I spent a lot of my youth working with horses. It stood to reason that if I don't want to give a horse a big bucket of water after exercising, why would I treat my dog any differently?) Similarly, pregnant women chew ice chips, so I figured, "Hm. Maybe an ice cube or two to keep him hydrated and cool him off?" He loves it.

That tail is possibly deadly. I have bruises on the back of my legs.

He has an unfortunate propensity for leaping directly for soft spots like: kidneys, ovaries, the family jewels, throats, diaphragms and stomachs.

The Bloodhound line seems strong in him, as he sniffs around a LOT, and doesn't seem to have much of a prey drive when it comes to the cats. Cornering them to call the "hunter" (me) hasn't worked well for him. A couple of swats and he's left two of them alone for the most part. The third, Mayhem, is a large black cat, and Taurus can't seem to understand why the other dark, fuzzy thing doesn't want to play with him. It's...sorta sad. Poor Taurus.

Things We are Doing for Him

We have hired a professional trainer to come and help us with how to interact properly with him, and how to tone down the ojizera so that we can have people over without relegating him to the backyard and he won't spend the entire time uncomfortable or growling, so that he's more aloof with them than aggressive. I don't expect him to just be okay with new people. He's not a Labrador. He's not an Irish Setter. I refuse to attempt breaking him of his breeding entirely. I just want my friends to be as enamored of him as I am. And when I bring him out, I want him to be an ambassador for his breed. Even if he can't be bred.

We are going to build a ramp for him to get on the bed with us. To save his hips and elbows.

We are getting a swimming pool so that we can all get a good, LOW impact workout. Crappy joints run in the family. Ours, not his.

Weekly baths with homemade shampoo, and a good brushing every few days between baths to keep his skin in good condition, to reduce stinkiness, to make him pretty, as a bonding exercise, and so I can run my hands all over him, looking for oddities and unusual bumps, lumps, scratches, redness, etc.

Going to get him on decent food. He's eating crap right now, but decent food must be introduced slowly, as you all know, to avoid diarrhea or other problems.

I have a veterinarian appointment for him the morning the trainer will be here (Saturday morning...so all family members can be present) so I can give her absolutely up-to-date information on his health.

I try not to give him too many treats. It's very difficult, because he's so cute. Yet another good use for the ice cubes. I don't have to feel guilty about those. And NO people food. (On purpose. He got into the bacon grease one night. Not pretty.)

Questions I Have

1) He's just a year old. I know that giant breeds mature more slowly. We've been operating under the assumption that he's still a puppy. Is this correct?

2) I've been told by some (none of them veterinarians) that I should wait to neuter him until he is at least 18 months - 2 years old because I would have to introduce foreign testosterone into his system to continue his growth. I do not like the idea of introducing something into his body that it didn't create on its own, unless it's medication for an illness. He absolutely must be neutered. Yeah, I realize I could probably make a mint off stud fees, but his coloring is wrong, I think, being a dark sable color that's a little peppery, as if in utero, he couldn't decide if he wanted to be black or brindle, and ended up kinda both, and all mixed up. I like it, but I don't think it's breed-correct. Plus, I think he's cow-hocked, which isn't good for anything. Except cows. And even if I wasn't able to be as responsible as I would like to have been, I would like to think I wouldn't breed a dog that wasn't breed-sound.

3) Is what I've been doing for him good?

4) How do I encourage him to play more? Seems whenever we try to run around with him or play "tuggies", he looks at us like we're dopes.

5) CAN the ojizera be toned down some? I don't want it ALL gone. I know it CAN'T be all gone. I just want to be able to have people over without an incident, or sticking him elsewhere in the house or outside. He's such a good boy. I want everyone who sees him to be as impressed as I am with him, and to adore him as much as I do.

Any and all advice and assistance is appreciated. I refuse to let my dog, who I've been waiting for all my life, suffer because of my initial ignorance. I love him, even when he's hogging the bed, and every time I look into those gorgeous yellow eyes, I fall in love all over again.​





 

chuckorlando

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For future reference. most fila owners are tempered much like there dogs. We cuss, get sarcastic, even call each other names. ahahahaha. Take no offence. Spend some time reading some fila threads and I'm sure you will see what I mean
 

chuckorlando

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YYou socialize the dog more than you would ever think is needed. Thats all you can do for his temp. Try to teach him that the world is not a threat. But if he ha a hard temp, Jesus's couldn't pet the dog.

Yes he's still a pup. Which might be the only reason you could even get close to the dog at his old prop.

18-24m you get em fixed. Fixed has no effect on aggression.

Fila dont just come with prey drive. Some have it but it is not needed to be a good fila. When playing, if you get the pup to bite, let him win. Let him take the toy. Build up how much he has to work to win that toy.
 

angelbears

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Congrats on owning a special breed, that also needs a special owner. They are not easy dogs to own but if you are willing to make some adjustments to your lifestyle it is well worth it. Your pup may not even be in full temperament yet, so you still need to be very careful.

I'm not on a regular keyboard so I will keep it short for now but will reply more in depth later, as I'm sure a couple of other Fila owners will. In the meantime do a search for Fila on this forum. Don't waste time reading about the different clubs, Cafib and CBKC, focus on temperament and training. You can go back and read that other shit later. It is quite amusing but not very helpful for now.

You are wonderful owner to be educating yourself and realizing this is a special breed instead of trying to dump him off on someone else. One last thing. Most trainers have no clue about training Filas. Don't put down a deposit until you have talked to other Fila owners.

Good luck, you are in for the ride of your life.:)
 

ruthcatrin

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I'm not a Fila owner, but my breed is the Tibetan Mastiff, so I can answer some of that.

Chuck's right. How you got him is done. You,ve stated you want to learn how to keep him and be the best home ever and thats what counts. Keep in mind however that its not going to be easy. Its going to require some changes to how you percieve dogs, not just conciously, but unconciously, and not just you, but every person (adult and child) who enters your house.

1: yes, he's basically still a pup though he's old eough to have some adult temperment and stubbornness.

2: if you are SURE you can keep him from taking off after a bitch in heat then yes, for his sake please wait till he's at least 1.5 before neutering. 2 would be better. This means no off leash outside of a secure fence, even if you're right there. No assuming he'll be good. Dogs will travel miles to get at a bitch in heat. And no, neutering won't affect his protection drive.

3: I don't think you've done anything bad, but heed Chuck's advice about him with strangers and staying away from his face. Honestly, NEVER EVER do "kissies!" with a dog that you don't know 100%, regardless of the breed and how well someone else insists the dog is fine, its an aggressive move and even sweet tempered dogs will take offense at it.

4: some dogs don't play much

5: not really. You can social the HECK out of him, and expose him to as much as possible and hope that he'll learn from it, but many Fila's don't give a care, the person is not FAMILY, therefor they are a potential threat. I highly recommend having him always on a leash ( and a family member adult HOLDING the leash) ANY TIME there is a non family member in the house or on the property. He MAY tolerate non-family, he may not. As he matures you may have to crate him when ever you have someone over. It doesn't mean you failed, its just him, and trust me everyone will be happier you did so. Understand that as he matures he's likely to he less and less accepting of stranger interaction. I highly recommend buying a muzzle and training him to wear it now. You'll likely need it for vet visits if nothing else.

Keep in mind when I say "family" in reference to a Fila, I mean the people, adult and child, who live in his household. THAT is his family, regardless of blood bond. His family will NOT include any extended family who don't live in the same house, and it won't include the friends of your kids.
 

Winterspring

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Thank you, thank you, thank you all so much. I am so relieved that most of my preconceived notions about dogs were pretty accurate.

I do not trust dogs to behave as if all people are friendly and wonderous. Not Boxers, not Dobies, not Golden Retrievers, not Shih-Tzus. They all have teeth. They all have the ability to bite, and the willingness to do so if I accidentally hit a sore spot or am not paying attention. All dogs can be dangerous. From a bad-tempered junkyard dog to a Chihuahua. They're not babies. They're dogs. So I agree completely. And I would never trust him around children. Doggy jump = Smushed Kid anyway.

He has Bloodhound in his veins. I would NEVER let him off a leash, even if he adored everyone he met. He's got some serious Bloodhound traits, and I don't dare take the chance of letting him get a whiff of something and go haring off into God-Knows-Where, 'cause I know he won't listen to a freakin' thing I say at that point.

I only wish he'd stop trying to play with the cat. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. I'm a horrible person for laughing.
 

musicdeb

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I'm glad the Fila owners replied to your post because they are living with Filas. Listen to what they have to say, except Chuck... hahahahahahahahaha No, seriously, you gotta love Chuck with his sense of humor but he knows his shit. Angelbears and Chuck have a lot of knowledge about Filas. Dogman#1 has a lot of knowledge as well, I'm sure he will reply to your post too. I know there a few other Fila owners on here but their names escape me at the moment.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
I would venture to say just about all the fila owners active on this board know enough to to be alot of help. You honestly dont have much choice. If you dont learn all the hard lessons, you almost certainly wont have a fila for long and alot of money in lawyers fee's. This breed aint no bullshit. Even the piss poor fila has the potential to snap like the missing link. Any failure to head that as serious business, you will learn real fast, has the potential to be really bad. You think a pitt can do damage add another 100lb and pure hate to the mix:scared2:
 

angelbears

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As far as your pup being playful, he may never be real playful. I have 2 Filas. Each very different. My male has a strong defense drive. From a very young pup was like an old soul. Not very playful but always by my side and extremely protective. Ziva is full of prey drive. That girl will chase anything. She loves to try to get to the fence and fence fight with the neighbors little yappers(we don't let her). On the other hand, Cane could careless if the little yappers are out. If he does go to the fence where they are all he will do is lift his leg and piss on them.

For treats I highly recommend raw chicken feet. It is great for their joints. We feed raw. Some of us feel that it is best for our dogs, but I also understand it is not for everyone. You can give the chicken feet as a treat without feeding your dog raw.

BTW, a wagging tail does not always mean a happy dog. With mine if the tail is up over the body they are on high alert. Pay attention!
 

fila4me

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He has Bloodhound in his veins. I would NEVER let him off a leash, even if he adored everyone he met. He's got some serious Bloodhound traits, and I don't dare take the chance of letting him get a whiff of something and go haring off into God-Knows-Where, 'cause I know he won't listen to a freakin' thing I say at that point.

I only wish he'd stop trying to play with the cat. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. I'm a horrible person for laughing.
the thing about the is when bonded with its family,it WILL NOT leave your side.it may go away from you for a couple of feet,but they do not leave their family.more so in a place that is not home. thank you for educating yourself and being proactive.in regards to a trainer,be very careful they are not to hard on him,as Filas can be very soft with corrections.he may also not tolerate anyone else giving him corrections,I had a couple of females like that and my trainer is my best friend and has FIlas!she also has been around mine from the time I got them as pups and 2 of my girls would bite her when she would ask them to sit or down.they were NOT kidding either!,thankfully,she has her own filas and could see the humor in my dogs being assh0les,lol.you now are the owner of a Fila,the rules have changed!you now have a dog that will not be comfortable with different friends coming over and him being expected to hang out.the rule in my house-friends come over,dogs get crated or go in my bedroom.my Maddie girl(8mos)likes a friend of my SO's 10% of the time.he sees her every day and it still does not matter,every once in a blue moon she let him pet her over the fence if my SO is standing there petting her.then is less than a stroke of his hand she will go after him with vigor!!so, he has finally decided to listen to me and protect his body parts by not trying to pet a growling/barking dog!! socializing a Fila means-taking your dog out and exposing him to as many different noises,sounds,smells,obstacles as possible so that he is not spooked by anything.I walk mine on main roads,practice obedience next to a playground full of kids,go to a baseball game(ex) at a park and observe.all of this is done at a safe distance and for the sole purpose of exposure to the outside unpredictable world.you are in the right place for advice,experience and tons and tons of Fila knowledge!
 

CeeCee

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I know nothing about Filas, but I wanted to welcome you to the board. I admire your determination and commitment!
 

tojvan

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Can you please post some pictures of him. Filas are very unique as you will find out. A fila loves its family it's owner and that's it, if you want it to TOLERATE your friends they have to be introduced as much as possible at a very young age.

Do not give hard correction and never let another person that is not part of your household handle it. The dog wouldn't appreciate it and its an accident waiting to happen soo i don't think hiring a trainer is a good idea. Even when socializing dont let other people touch the dog talk from a distance and gage your dogs reaction don't discourage and don't encourage let the dog absorb the interaction let him be the judge they are smart they are not stupid he will catch on soon enough
 

Winterspring

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You guys are all so awesome. I really appreciate the advice I've been getting (which is shockingly and refreshingly consistent), and the reassurance that I'm not a moron or a bad owner because I had no clue what I had when I got him. So I don't have some lovable mutt that's going to adore everyone and lie by my feet while I entertain guests. I have what I wanted. A loyal, comforting presence next to me when I need it that lets me hug him around the neck when I cry and that instantly knows when I need him, that's smart, funny and that will let me know when someone is at the door. Someone who will make me get off my butt to take care of him, hence improving MY health, and a dog that won't eat the cats. (Poor, poor, shunned Taurus...I can't tell you how bad I feel for him...he just wants to have a good romp! And if cats could flip people off, he'd be getting it a lot.) What I got IS a dog that will rip someone's face off.

Am I to assume that he's like a loaded firearm? Generally harmless IF the person holding it knows what he or she is doing with it, but deadly if handled improperly? I will definitely warn my trainer that he will not tolerate being handled by someone else, and she's a certified "Positively" trainer. (The Victoria Stilwell way of training...no harshness. No choke collars, pronged collars or shock collars. I don't hit, spank, or smack him.) And seemed to know what I was talking about when I told her he's a Fila. Vicious? No. Dangerous? Yes.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Your reassurance and warnings may mean I don't have to learn the hard lessons, reducing stress on his psyche and making him feel comfortable just about anywhere. I'm VERY grateful I found this forum. I think Chuck is my new hero, and ruthcatrin, your dog is so cute I could die. ^_^