Introduction?

[Murray]

Hello All I am sorry this is or might be in the wrong section but thought you would know. I recently rescued a pregnant English Mastiff approximately 2-3 years old. She gave birth to 8 puppies a week ago today! Sadly we lost a little girl on Tuesday, she will be put to rest in the Springtime next to my other male English Mastiff.
So she is on the other level of the house all set up with her babies. Upstairs I have a male 3 yr old neutered rescue Boerboel Mastiff (who respects the pregnant mastiff and they had their growl fest and then were friends), a 1yr old female lab (who submitted immediately the day she was introduced to the pregnant female so they are good),............. here is the issue...... a rescued female 9mth old Dane(whom the pregnant mastiff did not get a chance to establish a understanding in hierarchy yet) The Boerboel, and lab get along with mom before she went into labor and now when she sees them from behind the barrier by front door she doesn't growl or freak out. But when she sees the Dane all hell breaks loose. Because the pregnant mom came just days after the Dane and she was only days from labor and hormonal the Dane and mom have not had a chance to fight or befriends.
So is there a safe way to introduce the two and when? I can let my lab and "momma" together, and my big guy will only sniff her and walk away and if she gives him a hard time he will still simply walk away. But those are the only combinations together I am willing to risk at this point as I dont know what will or can happen with "mommas" disposition.The only rescue that does not have a tainted history or came from a "unsuitable' situation is my little lab female. The Boerboel is a huge marshmallow, and very very tolerant of all the b"""ches in the house.
Some sat wait until the babies are all gone to homes? I will be fixing my Dane soon will that help calm her down enough to keep momma happy? The Dane was out of control for 8 of 9 months until I got her here. She didn't know the basic commands at all. She is very very vocal about things. When she wants food,out,play she talks. But the previous owner took that as aggression and let her have her own way in the house. So learning I am the alpha here was hard for her but she is learning. She is a sweet dog and I want to keep her but will not tolerate the lack of friendliness between the momma and Dane. So I need to fix it but dont know how? Will time heal all? Once pups are gone will that help? Fixing the Dane will that help? I will be fixing all my females real soon but have to pick one RIGHT NOW to do and I am wondering if the Dane is my smart choice. The Dane is always in the mommas face, and just doesn't get it. When the others get in moms face and she snarls or shows teeth they back off but the Dane gets closer in her face. I am actually nervous to put them together.All my dogs are rescues.

I dont know if I left anything out that can be or will be or is informational or helpful but ask me and I will let you know But can anyone steer me in the right direction please?

Thank you in advance for your time and helpfulness

 

[Smart_Family]

I have no idea about the introductions although I would probably wait til the babies are gone but giant breed dogs shouldn't be fixed until 18 months at the earliest. I really wouldn't spay her any earlier than that especially since there's no guarantee that spaying her would fix the problem. By spaying her early you're making her vulnerable to spay incontinence, stunted growth, joint and tendon issues, etc.

 

[chuckorlando]

We adopted 10m old dane mix for the same reason. To high strung for most folks. We already had Budda who was the alpha. Did'nt take but a minute for Budda to lay down the law. No fighting just alot of running his mouth. When you do introduce them might be good to do so outside on a leash. Then once they smell each other and seem ok, let them interact some.

Thats provided they dont want to kill each other. But Danes are not very tuff dogs. They usually lay down and wear it. If it dont go smooth, I dont now what to say at that point though

 

[allsierra123]

Introduce them on neutral territory away from the house. That they can meet without any preconceived ideas about who is the pack leader.

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[Murray]

I have no idea about the introductions although I would probably wait til the babies are gone but giant breed dogs shouldn't be fixed until 18 months at the earliest. I really wouldn't spay her any earlier than that especially since there's no guarantee that spaying her would fix the problem. By spaying her early you're making her vulnerable to spay incontinence, stunted growth, joint and tendon issues, etc.

Hello Smart Family that's what I was thinking too wait til puppies are gone but that really throws a loop into things lol as springtime is approaching and I have spent hundreds and hundreds of dollar fencing in my 10 acres for all dogs to run and they all have the receiver collars but it is so time consuming to let one or two out at a time when it comes to bathroom duties so as not to put the mom and Dane together. I guess I am selfish in thinking there is an easy fix for this situation
I spoke to my vet and she said that getting her done before her heat would be a better idea then waiting the 18 months... I am soooo confused and torn as to what to do.

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When we introduced our lab to the Boerboel she submitted immediately which was awesome. The Dane got her butt kicked a bit by the Boerboel but now best of friends. The only two not yet established are the mom dog and Dane. We were thinking taking them out on leashes and just walking with them and letting nature take its course, and if a "fight' breaks out they will be on leashes and we will be right there. The Dane yes is high high strung and as days go by she is getting the hint that we are the alpha humans and bosses if you will and she is amazing with the Boerboel and Lab just not mom dog. We will and can bring both mom and Dane to a neutral property to establish a relationship which will not be a problem. I hate leaving mom downstairs all the time she wants to come upstairs and interact and will probably be fine with my male and lab indoors cause she is fine outside with them and was great before labor but it is the Dane I am really concerned about. I just dont think the Dane will back down but if she does that would be awesome but if she retaliates then yikes or maybe that's what they need to get this s**t dealt with lol

 

[Murray]

When we introduced our lab to the Boerboel she submitted immediately which was awesome. The Dane got her butt kicked a bit by the Boerboel but now best of friends. The only two not yet established are the mom dog and Dane. We were thinking taking them out on leashes and just walking with them and letting nature take its course, and if a "fight' breaks out they will be on leashes and we will be right there. The Dane yes is high high strung and as days go by she is getting the hint that we are the alpha humans and bosses if you will and she is amazing with the Boerboel and Lab just not mom dog. We will and can bring both mom and Dane to a neutral property to establish a relationship which will not be a problem. I hate leaving mom downstairs all the time she wants to come upstairs and interact and will probably be fine with my male and lab indoors cause she is fine outside with them and was great before labor but it is the Dane I am really concerned about. I just dont think the Dane will back down but if she does that would be awesome but if she retaliates then yikes or maybe that's what they need to get this s**t dealt with lol

 

[allformyk9s]

I think introducing them on neutral ground while both being leashed is a great idea HOWEVER Id like to add that prior to this meeting wear them both out ... not sure if you have help of a spouse or friend ... but Id take each for a long walk/jog/play time & pooped them out physically a bit & then plan this meeting. I would start off with having someone have the momma & you have the dane ... let the momma & whoever walk ahead of you with the dane behind, letting her sniff the mom for a bit then turn around & let the mom have a opportunity to smell the dane, if either show any signs of aggression, growling/barking/stiff tail/staring down etc... give a quick & firm correction. If this meeting goes well you could then try having them both leashed in your yard .. and then if that goes well down to only having 1 leashed. It could just be that mom is being protective of her pups & for whatever reason feels the dane is a threat. Maybe you could use a towel/blanket & rub that all over the dane & then take the same towel & rub the pups down with it to put the danes smell on them, just an idea.

Did rescue for 2 yrs & these are just some of the things my friends & I have tried..... I hope things go well & the 2 become friends, thanks for rescuing her & giving her & her babies a chance! Good Luck!

 

[Cody]

2 intact bitches can be a handful. If they start fighting they may not stop until one is dead. If that is the case then having them fixed on the young side is a better solution then having war in your home. I would also keep the Dane away from mom completely. She is guarding her babies and the Dane is stressing her out.
Normally I agree with waiting to spay/neuter but in your case I personally would get it done sooner then later.

 

[Murray]

Hello All, Sorry been a busy busy household here and taking some me time has not been possible until now. I have actually decided to do what worked for me in the past to see what the outcome and yet again I am happy I made the move I did. I let all 4 of my dogs outside. They all went and did their business and then congregated in a little huddle together in one spot in the yard. With another individual with me and leashes in hand we watched to see how things would unfold. the male Boerbeol walked away and went on his own, the little Lab followed. The Dane and "Momma" were left alone standing there together. Momma sniffed the Dane and the Dane stood there not moving a muscle. Then Momma walked away and came back. The Dane didn't bark,or even think of barking. She stood there and kept a very keen eye on Momma. They sniffed each other and that was that. Later that night I decided to let them all in the living room together to see what would happen indoors and in a smaller area. The Dane did not a thing to Momma and Momma didn't do a thing to the Dane. They actually slept together on the futon. So thinking that was a once in a lifetime situation I have been allowing the two of them together inside and outside more often and Momma has finally accepted her and now they play together. The Dane in the last while has calmed down a lot and isn't so hyper now. We have been letting her run to exert her energy and she has calmed down considerably. Momma allows the Lab to go downstairs now willingly and lets her check out the babies and she licks her and likes that she is there. Momma is spending less time with them now. She still feeds and is attentive to them as they are only 3 weeks old but she is letting her guard down more and relaxing. So my situation has unfolded on its own with no worries or concerns. I am a firm believer that human presence has a lot to do with the energy that the dogs reflect so I let them do it on their own and it all worked out great!!

 

[Kelly]

CLAP CLAP CLAP

So glad to hear they're all working it out.

 

[chuckorlando]

Thats awsome. Hope all continues well

 

[Naturesbeasts]

Hello to all my fellow dog lovers out there, Im new to this forum.