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dogman#1

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Alek, I know people from all over the world that own Filas in Banned places they get them in by saying they are different breeds when they are pups. You mentioned hound and bulldog type but the ones that are considered bulldoggish in type are also CAFIB like jaguara, jawa, boa sorte etc. just because the dog looks houndy does not make it a CAFIB dog (I dont know where this houndy mess is coming from). The fila is not suppose to look like an English mastiff, great dane or a neopolitan and just because one side has dogs that look like that does not mean that any dog that doesnt look like that looks like a hound and must be CAFIB. There are many non CAFIB dogs that really do resemble hounds, pointer, etc but they have no CAFIB approval and they do have CBKC papers... that makes them a CBKC dog and not a CAFIB dog. I have seen V lips in some CAFIB dogs but that is a fault not a disqualification. You will see it most on the Neopolitancross bred dogs with the huge lips.
 
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Alek

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Wait. U took me totally wrong :p

I'm not an Hound Style fun ... totally.

What i'm asking myself is why CAFIB is accepting Houns Style actually :D.

They have often V lips (offcourse totally different kind of V lips from napolitan crossbreading or similar.. but still v lips).. they are often light in stucture (pheraps not in weight just becouse they are really "tall" ..)..

Basically what i'm trying to say is: Cafib is Cruz. He knew the dogs he was talking about.. he made the only true and real standard.

Now.. i'm not saying a good dog, with good temperament and good structure should be disqualificed simply couse he has v lips...

BUT he should be penalized.

Couse Fila standard doesn't allow V lips.

And these days you can see lot of Cafib top dogs with v lips ;(

(Actually i should stop talking bout cafib dogs and start talking about FILAS. Couse i don't consider Cbkc or FCI dogs Filas .. i call them brasilian mastiff...)
 
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dogman#1

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AleK, "V" lips are not desired in CAFIB but they are not a disqualification in and of themselves unless ofcourse it is so insanely overdone that it is just obvious that it was done via mix breeding. I have been to a few CAFIB shows and the only dogs that look "houndy" are young dogs (less than a year old) and once they mature and fill out they dont look anything like an actual hound anymore (to me atleast). I have been to shows that adults that look houndish get reproved (disqualified), just because they are present at CAFIB shows does not make them CAFIB dogs, hell I have heard of completly black dogs being present at CAFIB shows and ofcourse they get disqualified but their presence at the shows does not make them CAFIB dogs. Like I said I have been to CAFIB shows and I have yet to see one dog with a V shape lips not saying it doesnt happen but I just havent experienced it. I dont consider non CAFIB dogs Filas either and the term brazilian mastiff is what they should be called. It is important to note that in the CBKC standard V lips are not considered ideal either because of the obvious.
 
Mooshi's Mummy

Mooshi's Mummy

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Can I be really stupid here and ask what V lips look like? And dont say a V! LOL. I know next to nothing about the Fila breed so am really interested to know.
 
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Alek

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No it isnt.
But we should make a distinction: V lipse can come from crossbreeding .. and in this case they are really V lips.

In cafib dogs is different...it s all about hypertypical selection.
In some lines (like siledin for example) dogs hve very long and heavy lips... actually they have the U but their lips become just too heavy to keep it when adults.
It s all about gravity eheh.

But my point is: it s totally different from crossbreeding, sure thing...but borderline u are still going out of standard ..so please a step back :)
 
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dogman#1

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Mooshi, The dog I posted is as far from typical as you can get. Yes, V lips are very undesireable but it is not a disqualification unless it is so insane that that in itself would be so far off standard that it could cause a disqual. Usually though there are other characteristics coupled with the V lip that would ultimately disqual a dog such as the dog in the pic. Remember there are 2 reasons in CAFIB to be disqual (for breeding) one is for mixbreeding traits and one for multiple flaws/ faults... sometimes both and sometimes one leads to the other. Lets just say that a dog is very good (few flaws/faults) and having a v lip is one (with no signs of mixed breeding) then that dog might still get approved but if the dog has V lips wrinkles on top of head and snout, excessive dewlap, excessive skin all over body and tail (base), high insertion of ear set, etc then it would probably be rated as disqual due to mix breeding. ofcourse most of the cases would not be that obvious though.
 
Mooshi's Mummy

Mooshi's Mummy

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Thanks for the education gents. Appreciate you taking the time. I know zero about Fila's but have an appreciation of them.
 
raechiemay

raechiemay

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Duetsche_Doggen said:
I know the picture is not the best but I don't care for that dog.
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I like Filas, I would never have one & I hope I don't offend anyone but that dog in that pic is pretty damn ugly. Lol I know with some of the mastiff breeds you get the long jowls but that is just...wrong.

And by all means PLEASE laugh at my stupidity. I know little about EMs & nothing about the others. I've started reading up on CCs, & any posts on this forum about Filas I'll always read but with a distant interest for them. :)
 
chuckorlando

chuckorlando

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No offense should be taken. That dog is ugly as sin. That to me looks like a snout from one of these ruined neo's with all that flop
 
Mooshi's Mummy

Mooshi's Mummy

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Agree, that is not a pretty dog! I would love to be able to have the right property, time and knowledge to own a Fila but thats highly unlikely, especially being in the UK. So I will take my education from those that know and do and be happy with that. I think I would need some serious education before I even seriously contemplated being a Fila owner! They are some serious dog!
 
raechiemay

raechiemay

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Mooshi, that's kind of how I feel about CCs. I am really starting to favor them over the EM for my next dog (which is a LONG ways away). But I'll always love EMs. :)
 
Mooshi's Mummy

Mooshi's Mummy

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I would us rather be like we are raechiemay than be one of those people that rush out and get a Fila or CC or other breed, know nothing about the breed but pretend we do and it go horribly wrong. I dont mind saying Im ignorant or not educated on something because that way i learn and gain respect. I think I would feel confident with a CC, but a Fila? Um no! My next breed may be a CC....if of course I can find the right breeder and one that allows me one...ie I pass their test as much as they pass mine.
 
raechiemay

raechiemay

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Yes exactly. I tend to favor females over males, but I think I'd be in trouble bringing home another female. Duchess has pretty much dominated my parents dogs but Daisy doesn't allow it. Daisy is Queen Bee in our house even if Duchess has a 70+ lb advantage on her.

I was thinking of getting a male anyway but I have plenty of time to research. I've done 2 too many impulse buys in my life. Think it's time to dedicate the time & effort that way I don't feel any regret later on. I love Duchess to death & I'm thankful she is a good girl for the most part. Daisy was planned & I first laid eyes on her at 2 weeks of age. She wobbled her way up onto my leg & stayed there. So she picked me. :)
 
chuckorlando

chuckorlando

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Filas aint hard to own so much as hard to change your life style. It just aint a dog that can be trained to act how we want. Instead you end up being trained to act how you need to
 
raechiemay

raechiemay

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I get that chuck. Unfortunately I do not have the correct lifestyle for a Fila. I can see owning a CC, but I have to many friends in & out of the house, live right next to a busy street with a 6 foot fence I could easily see a Fila jumping it. Plus I rent. It's too much of a liability for me to have one. So I'll just come on here & read the stories of people that do have them & enjoy the pics.
 
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