How do breeders respond to this

[Gunny]

After reading a few threads on here about people having trouble getting pups, I have a question about the disdain for BYB. If someone has contacted several reputable breeders and gets no response, or is put to the back of the line because they're not going to breed or show the dog, how can they get mad at people getting a pup from a BYB? If you're not going to sell me a pup because I just want one for a pet, don't give me lip about buying from a BYB. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

 

[tb44]

THANK YOU! I can not tell you how many breeders brushed me off, didn't return my calls! It was so frustrating and heart breaking to go thru this. All I wanted was a puppy to love, I am not a novice with dogs by any means. I have owned rotties, dobes, labs, never an em but most treated me as though I couldn't handle an EM.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Well, that kind of breeder pisses me off too. They aren't helping the breed by doing that. For exactly the stated reasons. If you want a pup then you're going to get one. And if they aren't willing to support pet homes then you're going to go to someone who does....

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I don't think I have ever heard of a breeder turning away a pet person because they want a pet. Most are looking for more pet people than show/breed people as there are more of those in a litter than the others. If they have a particular dog that is left or not spoken for that they wish to have shown/bred and you are not interested in that then it is entirely their option to deny you that dog if they feel they could add to a program. If they have more than a couple puppies still left available then perhaps it is an excuse, I have heard of breeders doing that if they don't find a home qualified. I also have seen pet owners that have to have the best of the best to just sit in their yard, they aren't willing to settle for anything less and get irritated at breeders that won't sell their pick to them simply to fix and then put in their yard to say they have the best dog in the litter. What ever the case is chosing to go to a back yard breeder is the choice of some people, but being aware of the issues that can come up from buying from a BYBer and not being ticked or even pissed if something does come up later would be all I ask.

 

[Gunny]

THANK YOU! I can not tell you how many breeders brushed me off, didn't return my calls! It was so frustrating and heart breaking to go thru this. All I wanted was a puppy to love, I am not a novice with dogs by any means. I have owned rotties, dobes, labs, never an em but most treated me as though I couldn't handle an EM.

The crazy thing is that I've contacted several CC breeders and none of them will contact me back. Gunny is the only dog I've ever owned, so if anything, I only know about Mastiffs.

What ever the case is chosing to go to a back yard breeder is the choice of some people, but being aware of the issues that can come up from buying from a BYBer and not being ticked or even pissed if something does come up later would be all I ask.

Which is exactly why I would prefer to go with a reputable breeder. These breeds are already short lived compared to other dogs and nobody wants to watch their dog go through medical problems because of bad genes.

It wasn't even my situation that prompted me to post this, but I have contacted a half dozen CC breeders in the past six months and not a single peep from any of them besides an occasional "hey we got your inquiry" email. I can only assume it's because I put down that I wanted a pet, not a breed/show dog. A few of them were breeders recommended to me by members on here.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I am sorry that that is the response you are getting. I don't know what to tell you in regards to them other than if you aren't getting a satisfactory customer service experience then move on to someone that seems to want your business and that you can build a relationship with.

Some do send out customary replies but unless they have puppies on the ground they don't do much more than that, which can be frustrating to a person who is looking into puppies for the future I agree.

 

[Gunny]

Maybe it's just meant to be. I know Danae is the one expecting, but I have had a crush on Hemi since I first saw your avatar.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Hemi was recently fixed in an emergency surgery with a pyometra so while both you and I love her there will be no Hemi babies.

 

[shodanusmc]

The breeders that I know will not sell you a SHOW dog unless they co-own it, and you actually do show it. They will only sell pet quality that comes with a neuter/spay contract. I understand your frustration, but I would rescue a Corso before I would deal with a BYB. That is just my opinion. Either way, it is Caveat Emptor

 

[Jadotha]

Gunny, would you mind sharing the email you sent to breeders? Perhaps we can see something that is contributing to their lack of positive response. I find this (their reactions) quite unusual! When we were looking into CCs before we decided on an EM instead, I contacted several breeders, and all of them responded with emails inviting me to visit or phone them, or phone calls. Granted I was looking for a puppy to show, but I didn't say so in my initial contact. When I spoke with them, two only had 'pet' puppies still available in the litters I was inquiring about -- but gave me detailed information as to when their next litter was planned.

 

[ruthcatrin]

When I was looking at TM breeders I sent out several emails to breeders, basically just asking if they were planning on a litter in the next year and if so could they tell me about their dogs as I was considering getting a pup. No extra info or the like, figuring they'd ask questions (or not, which would also tell me something). Apollo's breeder was the only one who responded within 24hrs. A 2nd responded in less than a week. A 3rd took two months(!) to get back to me, and two more never did respond. In one of those cases their website was way out of date too, so maybe they weren't checking the email at all any more, but it was rather frustrating.

 

[motolyn]

I must have the opposite experience. When I went looking for an EM breeder, I contacted the MCA and they sent me a list. I emailed each of the breeders that were in California and one or two outside in nearby states. Each of the breeders got back to me within 2 days and one even invited me out to a dog show that was near me to meet her mastiffs. In all seriousness every breeder was considerate and polite with me and offered information on their upcoming litters and to come visit their kennels if I wanted to or reffered me to other breeders if they didn't have any scheduled litters.

 

[Geisthexe]

After reading a few threads on here about people having trouble getting pups, I have a question about the disdain for BYB. If someone has contacted several reputable breeders and gets no response, or is put to the back of the line because they're not going to breed or show the dog, how can they get mad at people getting a pup from a BYB? If you're not going to sell me a pup because I just want one for a pet, don't give me lip about buying from a BYB. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

To be honest to as I breed.

If you contact good breeder and they do not respond to you then they are not much of a good breeder. If they only want show/working homes, they are not much you want to work with.

All litters come with Show, or pet homes or working, show, pet homes (depends on the breed) A good breeder knows how to choose them and puts the pups into categories so they can sell according.
I know when I get an email I send that person back a questionnaire, so I know what they are looking for.
After I get the questionnaire back I send them out the dogs that fit it. So if I had a litter of 7 and 2 I consider pet quality I will send them photos of those dogs and go from there...

As a breeder I have been told NO from fellow breeders on there litter, b/c I am very picky on the breed meeting standards So they know if there pup I purchase doesnt meet my quality then I sterilize it and place in a good home. And they would rather see me breed it . Also I have turned down many breeders b/c they breed the crap out of there dogs and do not test, show, work to prove there own line. I personally rather put my hole litter in pet homes then have a pup have to pump out puppies her whole life.

Remember some breeders there nose stuck up there arses so bad that dont think about the quality of the breed or the quality of a home .. they look at quantity so they can get as many pups out there an by have show homes means more of there line being bred. SAD!!

 

[DennasMom]

...I would rescue a Corso before I would deal with a BYB. That is just my opinion. Either way, it is Caveat Emptor

Us, too... but in both cases, you don't know the health history. In the case of rescues, you often can't find a young puppy - which means you don't know the mental history of the dog, either... so you have some un-training to do, and a potentially tougher road to bonding with your dog, too.

We ended up with a BYB puppy this time, which is actually a step up for us. We've always rescued mixed breed puppies and were prepared for potential health issues like hip problems. In this case, we actually got to see the parents (both with great temperaments and in beautiful physical condition at ages 2yr and 3yr), see the living conditions (clean garage, big back yard, LOTS of children in the house and socializing with the puppies), and we also got be the first place away from home the puppy went to - no foster homes, no added stress, no potential for illness (our last puppy's siblings ALL died of parvo - something they contacted just after we got him out of the foster home, apparently). So, we're very happy with our choice. The only down-side (which is big) being that we are potentially perpetuating them having another litter... and another... They said this was an "oops"... but it was their second "oops"... I'm guessing they may have at least one more "oops" before getting mom spayed... as their past puppy owners are asking for seconds.

I should add, we went BYB because we could not find any mastiff puppies to rescue, and also could not find any local breeders. I've since heard of a number of breeders in the area... apparently none of them know what a web site is, or how to keep one updated (??). So, we'll be better informed the next time around, which hopefully isn't for a very long time!

 

[alwcm4]

I would prefer my pups to go to pet homes. The only one's that need to be shown are the ones I keep and I'll take care of that. I think alot of breeder websites are REALLY out of date too if you get to digging. If they are announcing their litter that is upcoming from 3006 then most likely their email is invalid at this point too. That's what I ran into in my puppy search.

 

[raechiemay]

I would prefer my pups to go to pet homes. The only one's that need to be shown are the ones I keep and I'll take care of that. I think alot of breeder websites are REALLY out of date too if you get to digging. If they are announcing their litter that is upcoming from 3006 then most likely their email is invalid at this point too. That's what I ran into in my puppy search.

I'm starting to wonder if that's the reason why I never received a response from the breeder that owns my pup's grandfather. I searched her pedigree for at least a good solid week & was thrilled when I came across that site. Sent an email just inquiring about his personality, health testing, etc & never heard back.

 

[alwcm4]

LOL, I just noticed I put 3006 instead of 2006. Makes more sense that way! What was his the dogs name? I have done OCD levels of Mastiff pedigree research. I might be able to point you in a direction. Might not be the right one, but a direction, LOL.

 

[raechiemay]

Uhhhh I'll have to look it up & get back to you tomorrow. I might have temporarily lost her paperwork.

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Or maybe I can find it somewhere on the forum! Lemme look

 

[raechiemay]

Or maybe I can find it somewhere on the forum! Lemme look

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Ok grandfather on mothers side I think is Sir Sandy Hank. And one of her great great grandfathers is Macgarrats Magnificant Mav. <---- I might have butchered that. Lol

 

[raechiemay]

Ok grandfather on mothers side I think is Sir Sandy Hank. And one of her great great grandfathers is Macgarrats Magnificant Mav. <---- I might have butchered that. Lol