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cropping a 12 month old cane corso ears. Good idea or bad idea?

aguilarelias

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hi everyone so i have 2 cane corsos a 12 month and a 15week old. i going to be cropping the ears of my 15 week old. but now im regretting not cropping my 12 month old corsos ears. i really want to crop them.
any input is welcomed

thanks
 

Gharvey

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No way at that age. Not a good idea. Like circumsizing an adult human....


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Smokeycat

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I think the problem is that the older the age at which the crop is done the shorter the crop has to be so that it will stand. So at some point the ears will no longer stand regardless of how short the crop.

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Oscar'sMom

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Absolutely not. The cartilage changes and it would be very painful to your pup to do after 4 months of age. I'd be shocked if you even found a vet to do it...and if you did I'd be concerned at what type of vet that is. It's cruel to do that to your pup at 12 months and like smokeycat said it is unlikely that the ears would stand due to the changes in cartilage.
 

Boxergirl

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Absolutely not. The optimal age, in my other breed, is 12 weeks. I think it's similar for the corso. I don't know of any vet that would crop a pup much older than that.
 

DragosMom

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They definitely will not stand. We had Dragos done at 15 weeks and 3 surgeries later we had a short short battle crop. We went through hell with those ears, not to mention what we put our guy through. Bad idea in my opion.

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Iulicris88

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Putting a dog through a general anesthesia for a cosmetic surgery that has zero chances of success, unless you chop the ears off completely? Yeah, that sounds smart. It's already a bit late for the 15 weeks, never mind the 12 months old. Plus, what is wrong with having long ears?
 

aguilarelias

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That's for the input I'm gonna leave her alone but I'm definitely going to do the pup this week


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Hiraeth

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Even waiting until 15 weeks old is late and putting the puppy through unnecessary pain.

I'm not at all against cropping, but I am against cropping late and irresponsibly. Please do your homework and get it done at the appropriate age with future puppies. I personally don't know any croppers who would touch a puppy's ears who was a day older than 12 weeks.
 

aguilarelias

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lol its funny cause my kids and wife arent letting me do it. they said they like the goofy ears on the dogs. so i wont be going through with it. thanks everyone for your info. thats why i love this forum. its extremely helpful
 

teodora

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i actually love my dogs ears, they're like velvet...:) And they mostly communicate with their ears and tails, that's how I know their next move and I can stop them before they launch if needed. I'd be totally clueless with a dog with cropped ears &tail.
 

Nik

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I love my dogs floppy ears. I was always curious though... is cropping ears purely cosmetic for certain breeds or are there any actual health benefits to it?

Little Kahlua has a cropped tail. We didn't do it. She came that way. And as much as I love Diesel's crazy happy tail I am happy Kahlua's is cropped because Diesel is constantly breaking his tail by wagging it too hard into things... things like walls. It has a permanent little scar and bend to it now which makes me sad. Kahlua won't ever have to suffer that and I am glad for that.
 

Joao M

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I love my dogs floppy ears. I was always curious though... is cropping ears purely cosmetic for certain breeds or are there any actual health benefits to it?

That is a controversial topic.....

Back in the days, it was done to remove a delicate and sensitive part of the body where the dog could be attacked by wolfs (shepherd dogs) or other dogs (fighting and guardian dogs).
In some areas and for some breeds it is still done for the same reason.

When that reason does not exist, there are three opinions (and some in between):

a) Cropping prevents infections so there is a health benefit;
b) It is purely comestic - no health benefit at all - but not harmful for the dog if properly done;
c) It is animal abuse.

You will find people advocating one of the 3 above with very strong and passionate arguments.

In the European Union (EU) it is (generally) forbidden. In Portugal, for instance, it was forbidden in 2010 if I´m not mistaken.
In Portugal (and Spain and most of Central and Nothern European countries) a vet that does "cosmetic cropping" may/will face criminal charges.

Then you have the shows... In the US (to the best of my knowledge) for some breeds if the ears are not cropped, and/or the tails docked, the dog does not have a chance to compete; in most EU countries a dog with cropped ears cannot even be admitted to the show.

So, it´s a big topic....
 

Boxergirl

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It *is* a big topic. There was some discussion in the controversial section a long time ago about it. Having had boxers my entire adult life, I've seen some pretty ugly conversations about this topic. As Joao said, it used to be done for working dogs to prevent injury to a very susceptible part of the body. Now, unless you have a working dog, it's mainly done for cosmetic reasons. IMO.

I've had both cropped and natural dogs and I truly didn't notice that the natural eared dogs had more problems with infections. That mostly seemed to depend on whether they suffered from allergies and whether I took care to dry the ears after swiming, etc. Hematomas? A huge problem with my natural eared boxers, just like happy tail with the natural tailed dog I fostered. But again, those boxers tended to have allergies and shook/scratched their ears a lot causing injury.

The boxer show crop is long and elegant. It can be difficult to find someone that can do it properly and then it must be taped to stand. Sometimes posting and taping has to be done for extended times. It's a lot of work. Some say that they have had cropped boxers that only required massage, but I have yet to see any pictures of a show crop that didn't have to be posted and taped to stand properly. Because natural eared dogs have virtually no chance of doing well in the show ring, ear set was not something than most breeders worked on in boxers. European dogs usually have wonderful ear sets, while many American lines do not. It's a shame, really, because a natural eared dog with a good ear set is beautiful.

I have no problem with cropping as long as it's done by a qualified veterinarian in the proper time frame. That means no cropping much after 12 weeks and doing so only under anesthesia. I really do love the look of a cropped boxer. It completely changes their look. Here's a link that shows proper ear set.

Ears

And here are some real life examples from my house. Just because pics are fun.

This is a bad ear set. Roy has his mother's ears. I was worried about that when I saw her and no amount of massage or taping helped. Had he been cropped, his ears probably would have stood wonderfully.
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Roy and Al, two handsome boys. Both with junky ears.
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And here is Leo with a show crop. No hematomas for him, but I did have to watch his ears and dry them well after a bath.
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And here is Vincent Van Gogh with his scissor cropped ears. No excuse for this.
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Btw, that's my Ed on the left. He had good natural ears.
 
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Iulicris88

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European Union view on tail docking:
https://www.lne.be/themas/dierenwelzijn/publicatie-caudotomie-hondenrassen-lefebvre-oie.pdf
Ear cropping and tail docking, for cosmetic purposes, have been banned in a large number of countries from EU and dogs that have been altered are not allowed in showings.
Aparently there is no actual proof that ear cropping prevents infections:
Ear Cropping and Canine Otitis Externa FAQ

To me, it's pretty clear that in the vast majority of cases is something done for cosmetic purposes. Unless there is a medically valid reason for it, I would personally not put my dog through something like this.
 

Nik

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boxergirl - every now and then I do see some nice looking cropped ears (like in a few of your pics) and you are right that it completely changes the look of the dog. I love playing with my dog's floppy ears though. It's one of my favorite things to do. I think I would miss them. :)

I did wonder if cropped meant less ear infections. Diesel doesn't have ear infection issues but Cerberus had issues with his ears constantly (part of the fun of owning a poodle). I always figured that cropping his ears wouldn't have helped him anyways since the issues had to do with the hair in his ears constantly needing to be plucked. Although I did think it would have helped with fluid build up.

The tail thing though... I am really glad Kahlua came to us with a pre-docked tail. Like I said poor Diesel's tail has been so battered. I cringe whenever I look at it. He is just toooooo happy ALL the time and has no control of where and how he wags that thing.

Also that is so interesting to me how the European rules are so different from the American rules for showing. Sort of like the whole neutering controversy. Just fascinating to see the cultural differences. It seems like the Europeans usually have the more common sense approach about these things.
 

Boxergirl

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Leo was a rescue and came to me cropped. I have never cropped one of my pups and probably never will. I can tell you that Leo's ears made me tired, always standing up like that. It was funny to drive by the house at night and see his silhouette in the window. It looked like Batman was in the house.

I will always have any boxer docked. They have a long, whiplike tail and with how much they wiggle their butts they are constantly causing damage. Done in the first days of life it's a dock. If it has to be done later due to injury it's an amputation and recovery is very painful and long. I'd much rather it be done in the first three days when pain appears to be minimal and healing is quick.

I do wish our feelings in the US would change regarding cropping and showing. I've seen some really nice boxers lose to inferior cropped dogs.