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Very nice fila pup for sale

glen

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My god i wish we could own a fila.Not only does the breed amaze me but the owners are great lol
 

dogman#1

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oh brother... go to Brazil for a few days and look at the nonsense....Borghetto kennels was a very well known mixed breeder and paper hanger as are most of the current cbkc kennels. I've visited some kennels while on my trip and I can tell you it is very much still happening. I seen pups suckling off a CAFIB bitch who the breeder was already stating that those pups were actually from 2 black parents... It is very obvious why they do this... it is so that the dogs under their name gain legitimacy. It is becoming more and more common in Brazil for non cafib kennels to use cafib dogs to not only add type but temperament to their dogs. Borghetto just like every other non cafib kennel had cafib type filas... remember I bought a dog from a cbkc kennel with 100% CAFIB bloodlines... hell, even lions den uses cafib dogs (alto quatis) and emits it from the pups pedigrees. Now, all of this is well known but nothing gets said from the non cafib folks, they just refuse to see whats right in front of their eyes. The biggest perpetrator of this ostrich like behavior is Ace and the lil cronies he has... we put up pics and videos of our dogs, he finds an awkward pic and uses that to try and claim BS or they will use a pic of a 4 mth old pup and claim it to be a CAFIB champion... straight up desperate moves. Now, why is it that we have never seen one video or hell one picture of the "best filas around"? Ace, you like to talk so much sh!t but you have never once put up your own "best filas"... why? seems like someone is just talking down breeders just so he can peddle his own crap. I asked you before... put up or shut up. One more thing... why aren't the non CAFIB folks balking at you for not showing your perfect specimens? why ask for so many pics from us, pick out awkward ones to laugh at and you never post anything?
 

angelbears

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Any breeder would be a fool to post pictures of their dogs in an open forum such as this. For the very reasons you laid out in your post. The breeder's that I know quit messing with forums years ago. I'm not just talking about Fila breeder's either.
 

aceoutdoor

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"You contacted a friend down south, who verified the actual lineage." Try using that argument to convince a jury.

Nearly everyone say's its corrupt. Really? Then provide all the names who make up the "nearly most" group. Then provide the minority opinion names.

Juan says its corrupt? Why are you so untruthful? I know Juan. And I also know, your no friend of his either. Let me tell you something. If there is anything that is corrupt its your dishonesty. Your not part of CAFIB in anyway. Nor do you promote its standard and practices. You were banned from one Fila forum for your dishonesty. I guess you didn't learn your lesson.

Sorry for the derail here on this thread. Aceoutdoor has a long history of trolling on these types of boards, for those who don't know. He has been banned already from a FB Fila group.
And has an agenda to sell his own mixed Americano Fila. But im a busy person and will not replying to any more comments or questions posted here. Any further questions about our puppies for sale can contact here on the pm. Or find my post under Kennels.



Did anyone bother reading the file in the link provided? it is not CAFIB "propaganda" it is written by the president of the cbkc in the 80s. or the other one that is written by the ex non CAFIB breeder from canil borghetto that states that his dogs were mixed bred...almsot ALL the dogs in the U.S are contaminated with that blood...well I guess if you dont believe it from the man who bred your dog's ancesters then there really is no talking to you as ignorance is bliss. To say that it is a waste of time so that no one else gets duped is just your way of saying that misery loves co. I see that this convo has made a diff and I know it is obvious to you and big. this is like you putting your arm to a flame and insisting it doesnt burn...I might not stop you from getting burned again but Ill be worse than you if I dont atleast try to stop others from attempting the same thing.

Borghetto kennels was a very well known mixed breeder and paper hanger as are most of the current cbkc kennels.


Dude are you delusional? I don*t want to be a friend of Juans or his friends. I just posted a quote from Juan, I will post it again. Juan has thrown that out there countless times. Did you read the link posted from a Cafib Kennel regarding Borghetto. Do an internet search, ask some of your Cafib “friendsâ€. If you think Borghetto blood is acceptable to Cafib then you know nothing about them. I have been in this breed a lot longer than you son. Anybody can buy 2 two dogs and have a litter, throw them on craigslist, ebay etc and sell them to anyone with “cash in handâ€. It takes a real man to get referrals, check out the living situation the puppy will be in. And if god forbid it doesn*t work out take that puppy back. Its called responsibility and integrity. I have never been banned from any Fila forum.

This is the problem with you Cafib radicals, you are fanatics. Its not your dogs so much its you people with your blinders and your hypocrisy. One day Borghetto is the most mix bred, corrupt line in Fila history, used as Cafib talking points in conversation after conversation, article after article by mouthpiece after mouthpiece. And now all of the sudden it*s a pure proper phenotype who*s line acceptable to Cafib. Give me a break dude.

Btw did you rescue that poor puppy you sold that……guy.
 

aceoutdoor

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oh brother... go to Brazil for a few days and look at the nonsense....Borghetto kennels was a very well known mixed breeder and paper hanger as are most of the current cbkc kennels. I've visited some kennels while on my trip and I can tell you it is very much still happening. I seen pups suckling off a CAFIB bitch who the breeder was already stating that those pups were actually from 2 black parents... It is very obvious why they do this... it is so that the dogs under their name gain legitimacy. It is becoming more and more common in Brazil for non cafib kennels to use cafib dogs to not only add type but temperament to their dogs. Borghetto just like every other non cafib kennel had cafib type filas... remember I bought a dog from a cbkc kennel with 100% CAFIB bloodlines... hell, even lions den uses cafib dogs (alto quatis) and emits it from the pups pedigrees. Now, all of this is well known but nothing gets said from the non cafib folks, they just refuse to see whats right in front of their eyes. The biggest perpetrator of this ostrich like behavior is Ace and the lil cronies he has... we put up pics and videos of our dogs, he finds an awkward pic and uses that to try and claim BS or they will use a pic of a 4 mth old pup and claim it to be a CAFIB champion... straight up desperate moves. Now, why is it that we have never seen one video or hell one picture of the "best filas around"? Ace, you like to talk so much sh!t but you have never once put up your own "best filas"... why? seems like someone is just talking down breeders just so he can peddle his own crap. I asked you before... put up or shut up. One more thing... why aren't the non CAFIB folks balking at you for not showing your perfect specimens? why ask for so many pics from us, pick out awkward ones to laugh at and you never post anything?



Juan I try and try to ignore you. But I will try and logically explain something you have failed to grasp for the few years you have been in the breed. Set aside your jackboot, topcop arrogant attitude for a minute, and open your mind for once. I don*t like you. I don*t like some of the trash you sell dogs to because they end up breeding them, and posting youtube videos alongside pitbull fighting rap song videos and it brings very negative attention to our breed, once a rare and little known breed, one that I love. For the record, I have told you before, unlike YOU, I think you have SOME good dogs, what I consider ideal. I have also said your dogs are nothing like the majority of Cafib dogs especially here in the states. As I have said reluctantly publicly, I have a decent amount of Cafib blood in some of my dogs, not because I think its neat, or a marketing tool, but because I like that particular line and what temp or structural traits it brings. I have never said my dogs “are the best around”, I rarely discuss my dogs publicly except to share something like I had a bitch catch a rabbit which I thought was awesome and some people might find that interesting. I share what I want with who I want. I feel no need to solicit and promote puppies I breed and matter of fact rebuff nearly all request I receive here to sell a puppy which pisses people of and they become quite spiteful and vengeful. In regards to OC-Fila who ironically and quite comically(literally LOLed when I saw that pedigree) crossed your line with Borghetto blood, I never said anything negative about his dogs, in fact I complimented a member on her puppy purchased from him on that puppies nice head and proper earset, knowing well he came from a “Cafib” breeder. See I have no problem being honest good or bad regardless of club or type because I don*t care about either and see the hypocrisy in both. I care only about the Fila breed, and appreciate the good specimens from both types. I do take issue with people like OC-Fila selling puppies to completely unfit owners and giving them breeding rights. This is bad for our breed and you know damn well does not lend itself to bettering the pool. I also made a point that the puppies containing Borghetto blood would could certainly not be considered “100%” or “pure” Cafib by any means, and that was either due to the breeders ignorance or dishonesty. People who breed for the best regardless of club, or type, or open minded people with even minimal critical thinking skills who understand the lengthy, chaotic and variable formation of this wonderful breed are not my “cronies”, they are free thinking people who do not buy into your BS false fanaticism you push on people, but at the same time change to meet your needs when necessary. Take off your blinders there chief.
 
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dogman#1

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you obviously didnt read what I posted even though you quoted it. First off stop with the name calling its really immature and although thats considered cute in your lil crew it makes you sound like a kid and I hope Im not arguing with a 12 yr old on here.

You seem to quote pieces of stuff when it suits you... here is my full quote "Borghetto kennels was a very well known mixed breeder and paper hanger as are most of the current cbkc kennels. I've visited some kennels while on my trip and I can tell you it is very much still happening. I seen pups suckling off a CAFIB bitch who the breeder was already stating that those pups were actually from 2 black parents... It is very obvious why they do this... it is so that the dogs under their name gain legitimacy. It is becoming more and more common in Brazil for non cafib kennels to use cafib dogs to not only add type but temperament to their dogs. Borghetto just like every other non cafib kennel had cafib type filas... remember I bought a dog from a cbkc kennel with 100% CAFIB bloodlines... hell, even lions den uses cafib dogs (alto quatis) and emits it from the pups pedigrees."

Now... the dogs on his pedigree is pure as it has thrown consistently and offsprings have been CAFIB approved, etc. If you cant understand this then there just isnt any way to reach you. Borghetto is not trusted....neither is maloco dos filas... guess where I got my 100% alto quatis bitch from??? you keep spitting this "hate" crap but it just isnt the way it is. I visited non cafib kennels that they know i dont like their dogs and we still ate dinner and had a few drinks.. this BS about hate, racism, supremacist nonsense only exists in your head... stop spreading that sh1t. The person who bred that dog has more years in filas than you have off your moms tit. stop with the roid rage, relax and learn something...

oh and for God's sake post a picture of your unicorn filas... I swear they must be mystical with how much you talk about them but they are never seen.
 
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aceoutdoor

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I was waiting for the flip flopping. Do I need to dig out all of your, Ligia's and everyone of your comrades quotes and rants regarding Borghetto's absolute impurity and being THE MOST MIXBRED FILAS IN HISTORY. Exactly what I said and expected from you, "free thinking people who do not buy into your BS false fanaticism you push on people, but at the same time change to meet your needs when necessary."

Keep talking. Please mods, don't allow him to convince you to delete this solid gold.
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
I take back ever saying we could have a beer. I hate fake, lying people. You have done much more harm to our breed than good. I will tell the truth and expose your lies every chance I get.
 

aceoutdoor

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.Borghetto kennels was a very well known mixed breeder and paper hanger as are most of the current cbkc kennels. I've visited some kennels while on my trip and I can tell you it is very much still happening. I seen pups suckling off a CAFIB bitch who the breeder was already stating that those pups were actually from 2 black parents...

A breeder invited you to their kennel, and showed you puppies from black "mongrel" puppies pulled from their mother and put on a lactating Cafib bitch's teats so they could be considered Cafib pups.

Almost as good as the Magpie story. You are as creative as you are dishonest. But it makes for some very funny "stories". And again, our tax dollars pay your salary, AMAZING.
 

dogman#1

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I was waiting for the flip flopping. Do I need to dig out all of your, Ligia's and everyone of your comrades quotes and rants regarding Borghetto's absolute impurity and being THE MOST MIXBRED FILAS IN HISTORY. Exactly what I said and expected from you, "free thinking people who do not buy into your BS false fanaticism you push on people, but at the same time change to meet your needs when necessary."

Keep talking. Please mods, don't allow him to convince you to delete this solid gold.
really that's what you got from what I wrote??? do you know how to read or only between made up lines? YES BORGHETTO IS A MASSIVE MIXED BREEDER, PROBABLY THE WORST... LIONS DEN IS AS WELL... and guess what spin master... how many times have I said that I would still buy a dog from Lions Den???? how much proof do you need that I would as I have actually purchased a dog from a well known mixed breeder? you can't possibly be this desperate and/or dense. AND YES!!!! The cbkc breeders in Brazil do switch papers... surprised? He didn't actually take pups from a black bitch and give it to a CAFIB bitch... you cant possibly be that dense... the pups belonged to the cafib bitch he just said that so the pups would have the pedigree from the black bitch so it would look as if he produces those quality pups... yeesh, I had no idea I had to break it down that far. There are dogs right now that are cafib approved that the owners swear they are from black parents but the breeders they got them from know exactly how they were bred. Hoe do you think the cbkc breeders are acquiring the look of cafib dogs unless they actually use them???? why did I even bother coming back to this non sense?
 

aceoutdoor

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really that's what you got from what I wrote??? do you know how to read or only between made up lines? YES BORGHETTO IS A MASSIVE MIXED BREEDER, PROBABLY THE WORST... LIONS DEN IS AS WELL... and guess what spin master... how many times have I said that I would still buy a dog from Lions Den???? how much proof do you need that I would as I have actually purchased a dog from a well known mixed breeder? you can't possibly be this desperate and/or dense. AND YES!!!! The cbkc breeders in Brazil do switch papers... surprised? He didn't actually take pups from a black bitch and give it to a CAFIB bitch... you cant possibly be that dense... the pups belonged to the cafib bitch he just said that so the pups would have the pedigree from the black bitch so it would look as if he produces those quality pups... yeesh, I had no idea I had to break it down that far. There are dogs right now that are cafib approved that the owners swear they are from black parents but the breeders they got them from know exactly how they were bred. Hoe do you think the cbkc breeders are acquiring the look of cafib dogs unless they actually use them???? why did I even bother coming back to this non sense?

So According to you Lions Den is a puppy mill with alot of mix bred dogs, sends out sick dogs some of whom have died, they threatened you and your family with violence. And yet as a means to and end you would still send that man money for a dog you desired. On the other hand you sell Filas to thugs, one of which post videos of your Fila puppy, alongside videos of him at the kennels of convicted felon dogfighters who dogs were seized and destroyed, and also alongside rap videos glorifying dog fighting. And not only have you defended him, and your sale of Fila to him you seemingly promote him by posing with his "Dead Game" T-Shirt holding a Fila puppy in a picture publicly posted. You lack ethics, show some sociopathic tendencies as well as definite signs of megalomania.

So they invited you to their kennel and told you they currently were falsifying pedigrees. I don 't believe you. You have a long history of dishonesty when it comes to the Fila world.

I would never buy a puppy from you, I would never sell you a puppy. I have standards and ethics. I care about my dogs, their offspring, the breed and the future right to own this breed. There is a very stark difference between you and I. I am amazed Cafib lets you anywhere near anything to do with that club.

To Quote ol Robert form Texas regarding your lack of honesty, "While I'm not at all surprised by this, even I have to admit its quite tacky and very dishonest..WHile I agree with some things CAFIB is attempting to do or change as long as you or anyone else continue to use the tatics you do I'll never join or align with this organization.. And to think my tax dollars go towards paying your salary.. No wonder this country is going down the tubes faster than an out of control snowboarder on a slope."




 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
whoa! deflect much lately? what happened to what this was about? let me guess... deflect to something else so no one will figure out that your argument was lost. To answer your new question... YES! I've said it before and Ill say it again, if lions den had a dog that was good enough to fit my breeding program and goals then hell yes I would buy the damn thing... I already said I offered to buy a dog from him... what part of that dont you understand. Whether you believe it or not I am in it for the breed, tell me how the breed would benefit by me not buying a dog that the breed could benefit from. Personal feelings have no place in this so stop your whining, get the sand out of your crease and grow the hell up.
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
How to spot a sociopath.
Each time we investigate a sociopath, we find that they always have a little cult group following of spellbound worshippers who consider that particular sociopath to be a "guru" or "prophet."

Sociopaths are masters at influence and deception. Very little of what they say actually checks out in terms of facts or reality, but they're extremely skillful at making the things they say sound believable, even if they're just making them up out of thin air.

Sociopaths are charming. Sociopaths have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a "glow" about them that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction

Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others. This is why you will find many very "successful" sociopaths in high levels of government, in any nation.

Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.

Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.

Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don't actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it!

Sociopaths are masters at weaving elaborate fictional explanations to justify their actions. When caught red-handed, they respond with anger and threats, then weave new fabrications to explain away whatever they were caught doing.

You cannot reason with a sociopath. Attempting to do so only wastes your time and annoys the sociopath.

One simple method for dispelling sociopathic delusion is to start fact checking their claims. Do any of their claims actually check out? If you start digging, you will usually find a pattern of frequent inconsistencies. Confront the suspected sociopath with an inconsistency and see what happens: Most sociopaths will become angry or aggressive when their integrity is questioned, whereas a sane person would simply be happy to help clear up any misinformation or misunderstanding.

Another very valuable red flag to recognize when trying to spot a sociopath is to see how they deal with attacks on their own integrity. If a sociopath is presented with a collection of facts, documents and evidence showing that he lied or deceived, he will refuse to address the evidence and, instead, attack the messenger!

If you really try to nail a sociopath down to answering a documented allegation, they will quickly turn on you, denounce you, and declare that you too are secretly plotting against them. Anyone who does not fall for the brainwashing of the sociopath is sooner or later kicked out of the circle and then wildly disparaged by the remaining members of the cult group.
 

dogman#1

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You know throughout the years of wiping the floor with you in every argument I have noticed a few things.. 1st you deflect to a secondary argument, then you name call then you project yourself onto me... its really cool to see the progression in defeat with you... its like clock work. Let me guess in 2 months we will be back to Nagan, 1 month later ed faron (lol) and then once everyone forgets about the pics of CAFIB dogs I posted you will come back and say how thin boned and scrawny CAFIB filas are.... I know why you do this in this way and that is to try and get some new person that has never heard the truth... you are a joke. always have been and always will be. Now go on wiki, learn a new word and put the def. up again, lol.
 

aceoutdoor

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Your statements and actions past and present speak for themselves. People who are not new to the breed figured you out a long, long time ago.
 

Th0r

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Well maybe both parties should start posting pics of their dogs otherwise it's just talk!

Sent from my Nexus 5
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
Well maybe both parties should start posting pics of their dogs otherwise it's just talk!

Sent from my Nexus 5

Oh Im already posting in a new thread... come check them out! Ace never will either because he is full of shit or he has no Filas worth showing or none at all... I believe both are correct. I have videos of my dogs out for the public to see, I post pics all the time... Ace on the other hand only tries to pick others dogs apart without even attempting to show his amazing invisible filas off... I stated the same thing before Thor/Hulk... put up or shut up!
 

aceoutdoor

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Never picked anyones dogs apart idiot. Just pointing out your hypocrisy and dishonesty. Neither of which has anything to do with my dogs or yours. It has to do with morals. I could care less what your opinion of any of my dogs are. I do enjoy that it rubs you raw though.