Yet another raw food question :)

[Lkirkland]

Sorry for all the raw food questions lately. So far Hank has had chicken, turkey and last night he had a steak for dinner. He has continued to have normal stools so I don't think I'm moving to fast but I'm wondering how many meats I can feed in one day...like can I do chicken for breakfast and beef for dinner? Or do I need to stick with the same meat for a whole day?? Or does it matter? Also could I give beef and chicken at the same meal??

 

[ruthcatrin]

once you're sure he's good on a meat type you can mix and match and rotate to your hearts content and his tolerance. My two regularly get beef or buffalo, pork and chicken on a daily basis, and depending on what else is going on they may get turkey, goat, duck or rabbit in addition to or replacing any of the "regular" meats.

 

[NeSaxena]

What Ruth said.

For Boone, Wed and Sun breakfast meals are organs only. Otherwise the cycle's kinda like chicken-pork-chicken-beef-fish-chicken-beef-pork (whichever pack comes in my hand ), you get my drift.

 

[Yankee Charlie]

I could be waaaay off base here, but in my mind I would like to feed my dog a homemade meal consisting of chicken quarters or backs/ground beef/ground turkey/organ (beef liver)/canned salmon/teaspoon of pumpkin and teaspoon of mayo (oil & eggs). The bone portion would stand alone, but the rest would be mixed up into 8 oz portions and frozen that way. For feeding I would thaw out the appropriate number and have the dog eat away.

Thinking about maybe adding minced garlic to that mix.

Any thoughts? Is this just dumb?

 

[Hank DDB]

U can feed ground meats but they need unground so they chew and use their teeth and jaws etc.

 

[ruthcatrin]

I could be waaaay off base here, but in my mind I would like to feed my dog a homemade meal consisting of chicken quarters or backs/ground beef/ground turkey/organ (beef liver)/canned salmon/teaspoon of pumpkin and teaspoon of mayo (oil & eggs). The bone portion would stand alone, but the rest would be mixed up into 8 oz portions and frozen that way. For feeding I would thaw out the appropriate number and have the dog eat away.

Thinking about maybe adding minced garlic to that mix.

Any thoughts? Is this just dumb?

Keep in mind that 8oz isn't very much when feeding dogs this size. Most of these guys are eating several pounds of food a day when fed raw.

Also, why in the world would you feed mayo when you can just feed raw eggs and maybe add some coconut oil or salmon oil if the dog needs it?

Watch the canned meats, they often have added oils or salts.

Also ditto Hank, your dog needs to chew, and more than just the bone, for the sake of his teeth and jaw. Plus they seem to enjoy it.

See the other threads on here about feeding raw too, you need more variety than 2 or 3 meat types if at all possible, plus there are specific percentages of bone and organ that need to be paid attention too.

 

[Yankee Charlie]

U can feed ground meats but they need unground so they chew and use their teeth and jaws etc.

Hence the chicken quarters and backs.

Come deer season I have access to deer meat and deer ribs.

So much information out there. So many people doing it, right and wrong. Just confusing.

 

[ruthcatrin]

So much information out there. So many people doing it, right and wrong. Just confusing.

Most of us on here who feed raw follow the Prey Model Raw program. Its actually fairly straight forward and not complicated at all once you figure it out.

 

[DennasMom]

Sounds like a lot of work, Y. Charlie... not sure there's enough benefit to make it worth it?

I'm sure your dogs LOVE deer season, though! Wish I knew some hunters... don't think I could stomach killing Bambi myself [but I am willing to help eat him. ]

From what I've read, knawing through chunks of meat does more to clean the teeth than bones. Think of brushes and flossing, versus scraping... the meat sinew (i.e. floss) can clean more places than the bones can reach.

There are lots of models out there, though... I'm hoping we get enough variety around here to hit all the nutrient requirements. We're also basing ours on the whole prey model, which I agree is really easy once you get your process in place.

 

[ParentsofVegas]

Some one correct me if I am wrong, is garlic not toxic?

 

[angelbears]

Not in small amounts.

 

[ruthcatrin]

The study, where they "proved" how "toxic" garlic is was a bit odd when you acutally read it. I'll see if I can find the link again. But basically they injected the dogs with garlic in amounts equivelent to 1/3rd the dog's average daily food intake (based on weight), and the dogs STILL didn't actually get sick, they just showed signs that additional garlic might make them sick. For every dog out there with the exceptions of a toy breed, 1/3rd of their daily food intake is ALOT of garlic. You certinally want to be extra carefully with dogs who're already sick with something, but in general garlic's not as toxic as they make it out to be. I don't personally feed it to my dogs, but I don't panic when one of them gets ahold of something containing garlic either.

 

[Iymala]

I know a clove or two a few times a week has shown to keep the fleas and mosquitos away. Im sure it has other benefits too but I forgot what those may be.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Here's the summary of the study: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie and another article where they looked at the toxicity of several foods: Some food toxic for pets

On a side note humans are potentially susceptable to the same problem, it would just take a massive number of cloves of garlic to cause the problem.

And while we're on the subject, onions contain about 10times as much of the problem compounds (sulfoxides and aliphatic sulfides), and dogs have been show to get sick after eating barely 0.5% of their body weight in onions (for a 100lb dog thats 1/2lb of onion).

 

[DennasMom]

If feeding a dog a garlic clove a few times a week keeps the mosquitoes away from them... does that also work for humans?
I LOVE garlic. Mixed raw in a chimmichuri... I can put that S#!T on anything!

 

[Dakota Kid]

It does work for humans, except for my father. Mosquitoes love him. They love him so much, they gave him West Nile Disease as a present. Little ba$tards.

I had no clue that avocados were potentially poisonous. Question about avocados, onions and macadamia nuts - are they only poisonous right away or can they build up toxins and then reach a certain level and poison the dog? Using Ruth's example, my 100 lb dog is fed 1/2lb of onion and gets sick. Will it also get sick if it is fed 1/32lb of onion over 16+ days?

 

[ruthcatrin]

The studies can be hard to understand, but some articles on the subject do indicate that at least for onions and possibly garlic the build up over time may be an issue yes.

Avocados and macadamia nuts I have no idea as I've never looked closely at the toxins in them (I don't care for either and neither does hubby therefor its not likely to be in the house anyway). I do know folks who've had dogs who eat avocados fairly regularly with no problem, so it may be specific to the seeds, or even where the avocado's are grown.