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[Smart_Family]

For the pacific stream adult you would feed a 100-125 lb dog 4.5-5.25 cups. With the pacific stream puppy you would feed a 100-125lb dog who is probably 8-12 months 5.75-6.5 cups. They have the same calorie content. If you can find it where it's not a huge price difference I say go for it.

 

[NeoBull]

Also, do you have any links to good info on the Calcium and phosphorus levels and how exactly they relate to growth? Like what is the role of the phosphorus? How important is the balance/ratio vs just a lower calcium level? etc...

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For the pacific stream adult you would feed a 100-125 lb dog 4.5-5.25 cups. With the pacific stream puppy you would feed a 100-125lb dog who is probably 8-12 months 5.75-6.5 cups. They have the same calorie content. If you can find it where it's not a huge price difference I say go for it.

On the site it says 4 1/2 - 5 1/4 cups of the Pacific stream puppy forumula for adult dogs 100-125lbs, exactly the same as the adult formula.

 

[NeoBull]

For the pacific stream adult you would feed a 100-125 lb dog 4.5-5.25 cups. With the pacific stream puppy you would feed a 100-125lb dog who is probably 8-12 months 5.75-6.5 cups. They have the same calorie content. If you can find it where it's not a huge price difference I say go for it.

On the site it says 4 1/2 - 5 1/4 cups of the Pacific stream puppy forumula for adult dogs 100-125lbs, exactly the same as the adult formula.

 

[Smart_Family]

If youre going by the adult levels yes, I couldn't remember how old branka was. I can try and find some links.

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Apparently the TOTW puppy is smaller kibble size as well, which I would like to see since the ALS TOTW was pretty small to begin with.

 

[Smart_Family]

Apparently the TOTW puppy is smaller kibble size as well, which I would like to see since the ALS TOTW was pretty small to begin with.

 

[NeoBull]

Oh, she just turned 11 months... I was just saying for a comparision, the amount I have to feed her should be the same with either formula.

 

[Smart_Family]

You're right the adult level is the correct amount, most people who feed puppy foods would follow the puppy guidelines which would have them feeding more food. TOTW is pretty low cal in general. Sorry I'm all over the place today, I'm trying to work on the dog food guide for here and my mind has a billion different ratios and dog foods running through it right now!

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Calcium is definitely more important than the ratio. Calcium levels in foods fed to giant breed puppies should never be over 1.8% and ideally should be closer to 1.4-1.6%. You need enough calcium to even out the phosphorus. With too much phosphorus and not enough calcium causes calcium removal from the bones which leads to soft bones that break easily. Foods with higher protein, tend to have higher levels of calcium and/or phosphorus which is why the ratio is so important to keep everything evened out so that the pup doesn't grow too fast from excess calcium or have bones that are too soft from excess phosphorus.

 

[Smart_Family]

Calcium is definitely more important than the ratio. Calcium levels in foods fed to giant breed puppies should never be over 1.8% and ideally should be closer to 1.4-1.6%. You need enough calcium to even out the phosphorus. With too much phosphorus and not enough calcium causes calcium removal from the bones which leads to soft bones that break easily. Foods with higher protein, tend to have higher levels of calcium and/or phosphorus which is why the ratio is so important to keep everything evened out so that the pup doesn't grow too fast from excess calcium or have bones that are too soft from excess phosphorus.

Sorry I only have one link right now but I pulled what I could from my notes!
http://dogcathomeprepareddiet.com/dietrelated_skeletal_and_joint.html

 

[NeoBull]

You're right the adult level is the correct amount, most people who feed puppy foods would follow the puppy guidelines which would have them feeding more food. TOTW is pretty low cal in general. Sorry I'm all over the place today, I'm trying to work on the dog food guide for here and my mind has a billion different ratios and dog foods running through it right now!

Cool, can't wait to see it!

So for 100lb 11 month old Branka what do you think? 5 cups? 6 cups? Are there any higher calorie foods you could recomend that aren't too expensive? I'd like to be able to feed less...
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[NeoBull]

Calcium is definitely more important than the ratio. Calcium levels in foods fed to giant breed puppies should never be over 1.8% and ideally should be closer to 1.4-1.6%. You need enough calcium to even out the phosphorus. With too much phosphorus and not enough calcium causes calcium removal from the bones which leads to soft bones that break easily. Foods with higher protein, tend to have higher levels of calcium and/or phosphorus which is why the ratio is so important to keep everything evened out so that the pup doesn't grow too fast from excess calcium or have bones that are too soft from excess phosphorus.

Sorry I only have one link right now but I pulled what I could from my notes!
http://dogcathomeprepareddiet.com/dietrelated_skeletal_and_joint.html

Thanks!

 

[Smart_Family]

I know you've heard my spiel time and time again but Earthborn is definitely comparable in ingredients and with three formulas that are appropriate. It can differ in price a little though. The biggest difference we've seen depending on where we buy it is like 6, 7 dollars. I don't always feed to the bag for my mastiff pup. If she's looking particularly thin or has been really active I might give her a little more or if she's looking chunky or has been super lazy I'll give a little less. We usually feed the Great Plains Feast formula which has 70 more calories per cup than Sierra Mountain. I'm hoping to be done with this food guide by the beginning of next week and I'll be including the average prices so that may help as well.

 

[NeoBull]

I was checking Earthborn today, I'll have to look into it more. I'm looking forward to checking out your food guide!

 

[Mom4Life1994]

I wold like to see the list you made. THinking about changing Adaras food but want ot be sure to get something good for her

 

[NeoBull]

I wold like to see the list you made. THinking about changing Adaras food but want to be sure to get something good for her

Smart Family is still working on it, but when it's done it should get "stickied" to the top of Health and Nutritional Care