registration with ICCF/AKC problem due to breeder issues...

[snelly40]

hey guys, so when i purchased my puppy about 16 months ago I was supposed to receive ICCF paperwork from the breeder, he told me it was delayed and i took his word for it. Well after many failed attempts to still receive this information I am searching for a different avenue.
Is there any way for me to just register a dog without the breeder / parent information? I'm sure my dog is a Corso. The breeder claims money issues prevented him from registering the litter but that was told to me long after I was supposed to receive the paperwork. Needless to say I am quite frustrated.
I filled out an app with ICCF this morning but im not sure what they will ask me in the future and AKC wants all types of registry info.

Anyone have any ideas?
ray:thanks guys
-jason and Nero

 

[Wyo- Dogue de Bordeaux]

I had the same issue getting hulks paperwork. I fought with her for 3 months, finally got sick of the crap and drive 7 hours and refused to leave her house without them. She even threatened to call the cops on me, I told her I didn't care!

Did you sign a contract when you got the pup? If you did you could take legal action against the breeder. If the dogs have DNA with the registry, you can (I think) send in the DNA and they'd ghat be able to register.


Wyoming Dogue De Bordeaux

 

[Geisthexe]

hey guys, so when i purchased my puppy about 16 months ago I was supposed to receive ICCF paperwork from the breeder, he told me it was delayed and i took his word for it. Well after many failed attempts to still receive this information I am searching for a different avenue.
Is there any way for me to just register a dog without the breeder / parent information? I'm sure my dog is a Corso and purchased him from Corso de la Palme in south carolina. The breeder claims money issues prevented him from registering the litter but that was told to me long after I was supposed to receive the paperwork. Needless to say I am quite frustrated.
I filled out an app with ICCF this morning but im not sure what they will ask me in the future and AKC wants all types of registry info.

Anyone have any ideas?
ray:thanks guys
-jason and Nero

Look on the ICCF website to see if they have a single registration. If they do request from the breeder parents info
Sire full name and reg#
Dam full name and reg#
Once you have it you can register your dog.
At least I know UKC, and the Presa reg does do this.

Best of luck getting your papers

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

"Money issues" sounds like a red flag to me. If I remember correctly the parents and litter must be registered, I also believe the breeder has to give your the papers. Again don't take my word for it, but that's what I remember reading.

Are you planning to show/work/breed him?

 

[Geisthexe]

Forgot to ask are both parents ICCF or both AKC?
Bc if one is ICCF and other is AKC .. AKC can be a real stickler for the dogs having to be both AKC unless they have a contract with ICCF
Might want to find out after getting both parents reg names

 

[snelly40]

akc right now is accepting corso's that are registered with ICCF thankfully, i was planning on doing some shows with him as i have received so many compliments on his stature. Plus it gives me some peace of mind just to have them as well, i guess that's weird but still...

 

[Geisthexe]

I hear ya on them accepting them .. Showing is fun .. Have you ever shown before?

 

[snelly40]

breeder just called me back, he was very helpful and said he will meet up with me this week to fix the problem. If this is the case I will be very happy with his service and will take him at his word that it was just a miscommunication.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

akc right now is accepting corso's that are registered with ICCF thankfully, i was planning on doing some shows with him as i have received so many compliments on his stature. Plus it gives me some peace of mind just to have them as well, i guess that's weird but still...

No its fine not weird, I understand I was that way to when I wanted papers for Thor, but I realized unless I was doing something with him they are as good as TP, lol.

Sorry I don't have much else. Good luck though, sounds like the breeder is squirreling around though.

***Edit just read your post glad you got it worked out

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

The ICCF I don't think does as your breeder usually provides you with the blue slip which is what you need to register. I would contact ICCF (believe it is still Kristie Hodas who looks after it) and explain your situation and see if she can suggest anything or even if she keeps records of if she sent them slips.

Do you know the registered names of your dogs' parents? I don't know how much they are allowed to tell you but you might be able to see if the parents are indeed registered.

It is hard when your breeder cuts all lines of communication but I hope you are able to get it cleared up so you can pursue whatever you would like to do with your dog.

Also I would check with the AKC on their rules, if the parents aren't registered AKC I think you can only be entered in the Foundation Stock and I am not sure if you are able to compete in conformation then or not. I am uncertain as to the rules since they are fully recognized now but something to look into.

 

[Geisthexe]

Black Shadow aren't they showing now in AKC bc I have a friend with CC who does?

 

[ruthcatrin]

Yah, but there's restrictions on the AKC side, if the pups paren'ts are AKC registered I don't think the dog can show AKC, just be registered AKC (not 100% but I vaugly recall seeing that)

 

[Geisthexe]

Ruth I know with Presa even though they are still FSS they can be reg UKC or UPPCC get AKC FSS and still do performance .. So I couldn't see why it would be different for CC
I also know you can have a FCI reg or a KC reg dog and get AKC papers for showing AKC
But you might have seen something that is new who knows ...

 

[snelly40]

thanks for the great info shadow

 

[ruthcatrin]

Ruth I know with Presa even though they are still FSS they can be reg UKC or UPPCC get AKC FSS and still do performance .. So I couldn't see why it would be different for CC
I also know you can have a FCI reg or a KC reg dog and get AKC papers for showing AKC
But you might have seen something that is new who knows ...

You could be right, I wasn't looking that closely cause it didn't apply to me, and of course now I can't find hte link in question to double check.

 

[Geisthexe]

I hear ya .. Either way good advice to the person asking

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I think they are able to compete in Companion events with an AKC FSS number but I don't know that they are able to show in Conformation now that the breed is full recognized as I think they have to have a complete 3 generation pedigree. As I said this might not be the case as I am in Canada so don't know AKC but something to be aware of, just in case. The AKC will still accept ICCF papers until the stud book closes, so it is still important to get him in there if you are looking at breeding but he might be the first generation and you potentially might be able to compete in Conformation until you are 3 generations into the program.