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gilles

Well-Known Member
some breeds are way more susceptible to parvo than others , out of the couple hundred i've known , i've personally never known a ddb to get parvo ...
i know...i lost a puppy once:( ...... i know a breeder near by who lost all the litter all of the 9 puppies of rottweilers for parvo...what a terrible virus
 

gilles

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here is my beloved saphyra ..i lost her for parvo at less than 4 months...i never mentioned her coz it brings me lots of pain and tears in my eyes just thinking of her..she was one of the most beautiful CAO's i have seen..
 

marke

Well-Known Member
sorry to hear about your pup Gilles , that would be heart breaking ....when i think of parvo , i think of rottweilers , they have to be one of the most susceptible breeds there is .... i've seen ddb pups that i know were exposed to it never get it .........
 

gilles

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thx ..yes other pups living with her never got it, i kept disinfecting for 2 months after that and built a new place for new coming puppies, now i totally eradicated the virus from my premises... it was brought from a friend who had a sick pup at home, he came and entered the kennel and i did not know he had a sick pup at home and he did not go through disinfection measures , he just went in...what a friend! after the whole thing , nobody is allowed in young puppy areas, there is a very strict protocol for young puppies
 

Bob Felts

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Thanks again for all of the insights and advice. I'll definitely be going for the dog's size as a deterrent rather than totally rely on -- or hope for -- its natural protective instincts to kick in if needed. I think I'll be seriously looking into the DDB since from everything I've read they appear to be less "headstrong" than a Bullmastiff. But as some of you have mentioned, I ultimately have to see the breeds up close and in person to get a sense of whether one or the other is appropriate for me. The DDB seems appropriate because I'm not a hyper-exercise person, more of plodder here and there, but somebody that will always has somewhere to go. I'm fortunate that I do half of my work from home and would be able to bring my dog with me as I make visits to the people I help in different neighborhoods or even when I spend time at my "official" workplace (there's a dog friendly policy in place). But as I mentioned before, a main concern with the DDB is it's health. When I visit Mastiff forums/blogs, it seems like DDB owners live a life of always having their fingers crossed that their young DDBs will live, or be somewhat healthy, for another year. I could only imagine how stressful this must feel. This is why I initially had Dogos and Corsos on my list -- they just seemed more resilient to temperature variations and random high impact romping, and had less negative genetic issues to deal with. But I could be wrong about this assessment since I'm just learning about the different breeds. But when I think about it, maybe only the sad DDB stories are out there because owners of healthy DDBs rarely post their experiences. I guess I'll learn more about this issue as I talk to DDB breeders about their own dogs and the ones that they have placed in homes. And as someone else mentioned, I would have to look into how and whether a particular breeder ensures good health. Lots to think about -- which isn't a bad thing. This is an important and long-term commitment.
Sounds like some good thinking. You may find picking a dog for one primary trait is a mistake. E.G. getting a Filla because they are super protective, may be a huge mistake if you have kids who bring their friends home to play. Or if you have relatives or friends that visit your home. Filas are super protective, (so I hear) but that may be a bad choice because the dog may be overprotective and a liability due to just how protective they are reputed to be. Any good solid, well socialized, trained Mastiff should be up for heat you want. I'd say look at the EMs, but you mentioned that is too large for your lifestyle. Shame, they are wonderful dogs. My wife is very comfortable with our 14 month EM keeping an eye on the house when she is home alone.

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TWW

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Sounds like some good thinking. You may find picking a dog for one primary trait is a mistake. E.G. getting a Filla because they are super protective, may be a huge mistake if you have kids who bring their friends home to play. Or if you have relatives or friends that visit your home. Filas are super protective, (so I hear) but that may be a bad choice because the dog may be overprotective and a liability due to just how protective they are reputed to be. Any good solid, well socialized, trained Mastiff should be up for heat you want. I'd say look at the EMs, but you mentioned that is too large for your lifestyle. Shame, they are wonderful dogs. My wife is very comfortable with our 14 month EM keeping an eye on the house when she is home alone.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
Bob as we EM owners know there nothing quite like a EM doing there security round of the house before the big huff and flop at your feet at night.

That head roll forward look, where there just looking for what is amiss
But sadly not many are ready for the big boy and girls
 

teodora

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My 2 cents from my personal experience: a Cane Corso is more suitable for protection work if you mean REAL professional protection training, otherwise ANY mastiff would do basic stuff... any dog would do basic stuff in fact. Any dog can be a deterrent. Now it's up to you to decide whether you need (and you can manage) a canine Ferrari or not. In your position as a new dog owner I'd honestly get a neo. They're bloody big, they look tougher than a corso imo, they have a deeper bark and otherwise they're couch potatoes and easy to live with. You won't expect a neo to clear a 6 feet fence to protect you but if anyone is getting too close a neo would clearly be able to react. In fact, I doubt anyone would ever want to challenge a neo.

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Brinks

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It sounds like you're doing the right thing by researching and asking questions so great start! I'm sure you're seeing repeat advice but throwing in my experience in hopes to help. I grew up on a farm, owned many many animals including dogs but Brinks was my 1st Mastiff. He is nothing like the dogs I owned throughout my life or the dogs my husband owned in his life. Our advice:
-Visit Mastiff owners and listen to their experiences.
-Know the cost for a Mastiff is considerable- food, health, toys, classes, beds, etc.
-Know the first 2 years are work, lots of patience and work but it pays off.
The rest is said many times here- best of luck to you in your research!
 
Hi all, Thank you again for all of the advice. Yesterday, my wife and I visited her friend, who has a DDB. Unfortunately, my wife couldn’t stand the drool, which was sometimes intense. And although she loved the gentle and kind dog, after the visit, my wife simply could not get over this drool factor. So she told me that she wouldn’t be a 100 percent into getting one. My son is also not too sure about getting a DDB since a DDB and its owner frequently stop by his job. My son claims that the DDB is really gentle despite looking so tough, but always leaves a streak of drool on his shirt or pants. So he’s not a 100 percent into getting a DDB either. Since this is a family decision – I want everyone to welcome and want the same dog – I decided against getting a DDB too. Too bad EMs and Bullmastiffs also have the same drool factor because I really love their size and calm demeanor (though an EM can be a bit too big for us). Cj-sharpy advised that I look into cross-breeds, which is what I’ve been doing now. I’ve been researching American Bandogs and their size and protective instincts seem good. But my worry is that they’re bred to be serious working dogs and I’m not quite sure I can provide them a “working†lifestyle given my own lifestyle. While I can easily walk them four or five times a day (since they’ll be with me as I make the rounds at my job), I don’t know if I can provide them with something specific to do besides be my companion outside and inside the home. Maybe I’m making too much what “working†means. Maybe as long the dog sees a purpose with me (i.e., being with me), it will feel like it’s working. Teodora suggested I look into a Neo. I really like some its characteristics, especially since it’s calm and has a natural “off†switch when at home. But I think that it might be “too much†dog for me given that I’m a new dog owner. Also, from what I’ve read, they aren’t too discriminatory and see everyone who’s not a family member as a threat – even if they’re somewhat familiar with them. I don’t know if I’m experienced enough to handle that type of disposition. Don’t get me wrong, I’m prepared to do much obedience training and really look forward to the socialization process. But I’d rather play it safe until I learn more. Someone else suggested I look into the LGDs. Unfortunately, I live in a suburban/city area and those breeds are serious barkers. I also don’t want to have a constant barker at home, which is why I was looking into particular Mastiff breeds. My wife grew up with a German Shepherd and that’s her preferred breed. However, I prefer not to walk around the neighborhoods I visit frequently with a GSD – it’s associated with law enforcement. Since I don’t live in those neighborhoods, I heard that a few residents “wonder†about me and stated concerns that I might be a “narc.†In my experience working at my job for more than 10 years, such rumors always float around. And nothing happens as long as you carry yourself in a respectful and nonjudgmental way – and don’t ask too many questions (everyone will eventually open up to you). But I fear – and this could be totally unfounded – that a GSD might just make the suspicious residents even more suspicious. My wife is open to getting a Rottweiler since several of her family members had them while she was growing up. But I’m not too keen on that breed and from what I’ve read, they have serious health problems and ranking issues. I would consider getting a Bandog, but not one that has a Pit bull breed in its mix. I like the Neo-American Bully mix since I won’t ever have to deal with ordinance issues, etc., when I travel around. Maybe someone who has owned such a Bandog mix can advise me on whether a new dog owner can handle it. I’m also considering a Corso again because my wife and son are open to it. But as I did with the DDB, I’ll make sure to meet Corso owners so that my family and I observe how Corso’s behave and learn about the breed from its owners. I actually came across the “Giant Maso-Mastiff†from Thunderheart farms. Their breed is new and still in development and features an interesting mix: 75% EM and 25% Cane Corso. The cross breeding or mixing doesn’t bother because I’m going more for a Mastiff that has a certain temperament and I have no plans to show the dog. According to the breeders, the Maso resembles the EM in behavior, but with the tighter jowls of the Corso, which reduces their drooling. And while it’s large, it’s not as big as the EM, which really appeals to me. I’ve read the comments of one poster on this board who got a Maso from Thunderheart, but I’m wondering if others have had any experience with Masos too. This has been a long and educational process, but I think I’m finally getting close to the breed that I not only want, but really need. (And I hope I don't lose the paragraph structure after I post -- it would be terrible to read this as one long paragraph).
 

JamieHalverson

Well-Known Member
I would stay away from any "new, in development" breeds, to me, they are just mixed breed dogs and breeders trying to make a ton of money off the flashy prospects... If drool is an issue, then yeah, all the breeds mentioned have that going against them. I'd say it's not a huge issue with my BM, but it's there, mostly after drinking or if there's treats/food around, but not otherwise.

I don't favor GSDs myself, just not a fan, but Rottweilers are wonderful dogs! I've owned them and plan to again. I would say they really don't have health issues above and beyond any of the mastiff breeds you were considering, have a great work ethic, and the intimidation factor you are looking for. I had a rescue female who I lost at 12 to osteo, she was a fantastic family companion and had the right amount of guardian instinct; she was wary, not quick to judge, and friendly to friendly people. She's been gone 4 years and I miss her still.

A young adult rescue might be a really good fit for your family, there's some really great Rottweiler rescue organizations all over the U.S.