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(New puppy) Fila Brasiliero x Dogue de Bordeaux

Allison A

Member
Hello All,

I'm new to this site. I just got a 8 week old male fila x French mastiff. I was just wondering if anyone has a cross like this and could send pictures of what they look like as an adult. I was also wondering if anyone had any experience with the temperament of this cross. So far this puppy has been a dream puppy. Potty trained himself with exception of us showing him where to go. He is very receptive to the tone of my voice and loves to cuddle. He is also very stable and confident with new situations. He doesn't easily react to or get startled by new things. This is my first experience with owning a mastiff and any advice would be greatly appreciated. Are most mastiffs this easy going? If so this is the breed for me. I have previously owned a rottweiler and currently own a english bulldog and chihuahua.

I'm not sure how to upload pictures on here but when I learn I will post pics of him.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Welcome aboard and congrats on your new family member~ To post a pic, click on the icon of the picture frame, select if you want to upload a file or list a URL where the pic is located and then upload to post.

I have a DDB and they are very independent and extremely stubborn. We have a few Fila owners who will post a reply to help you out with their temperament. Can*t wait to see the pic.

The following tips/suggestions are based on my experience as a dog mommy, forum member*s posts and volunteering at an animal shelter for a year.

*CRATE THE PUP

You want to crate train the pup. Make sure you have a blanket, stuffed animal (about their size) and white noise (ticking clock or ipod with soft music) so the pup can sleep. The pup is used to cuddling with siblings.

Make the crate the pup*s happy place to go to when he wants to sleep, decompress or just hang out.

*SECURE THE PUP NEAR THE FAMILY

You want to keep the pup in a room with a family member. Mastiffs need to be near their family members.

*FOOD

Find out what kind of food the shelter/rescue/breeder was feeding the pup and continue to feed it to the pup until you transition to a newer food because most shelters/rescues/breeders use the cheapest food, meaning it is not very good for the pup.

Slow transition to the new food is as follows to prevent diarrhea. If at any time during the transition, the pup has diarrhea return to previous amounts of food per feeding. If you are switching flavors made by the same manufacturer, you should not have to do a slow transition.

Amount per feeding:

Day 1-4 ¾ cup of old food and ¼ cup of new food.

Day 5-9 ½ cup of old food and ½ cup of new food.

Day 10-14 ¾ cup of new food and ¼ cup of old food

Day 15 Start 100% of new food

OR

You can feed the pup boiled meat and boiled white rice with canned/raw pumpkin (not the pie filling) usually start with 1 teaspoon or the pumpkin for young puppies and 1-2 tablespoons of pumpkin for pups older than 8-10 months for 4-5 days to reset their system. After the reset, start the new food.

Generally, mastiffs are allergic to grain and chicken found in kibble. You can check www.dogfoodadvisor.com for dog food ratings and customer feedback. Mastiff puppies should eat Large Breed adult food or All Stage food because puppy food has too much calcium which causes fast growth. Slow and steady growth for a healthy mastiff. Protein in the food is not an issue unless the pup has kidney issues.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1659&aid=652

Dog Food FAQs: Protein

Check out Acana Regionals, Wellness Core, Castor & Pollux Grain Free, Earthborn Holistics, Fromm*s, Innova Natures Table, Victor*s Grain Free or Taste of the Wild grain free. Chewy.com is a great place to order dog food and they offer free shipping.

You may want to check out the raw diet for your pup. Raw diet can be fed to young pups. Check out the sub forum on raw diet that has a wealth of information. It is not recommended to feed the pup kibble (one with grains) and raw food. Do your research re: raw diet and form your own opinion.

*PUP NOT EATING WHEN YOU FIRST BRING THEM HOME

They are not used to their new environment and this is a natural behavior. Take the pup to a quiet place at meal times and sit and hand feed the pup. This will help the pup to eat when they are placed in a calm atmosphere, help you to bond with the pup and help the pup establish trust with you. As they become settled, they will naturally follow your routine.

*PROTECT THE PUP FROM DISEASE

Keep the pup in your yard and place newspapers down where they will walk on the ground. Keep the pup away from dog areas unless they have had their 2nd round of shots, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] round of shots is best so they will have some immunity to the infectious diseases, i.e. Parvo. This is very important!

*HOUSE TRAINING YOUR PUP

Keep pup on leash when you take them outside. Train them with a potty word, like “potty.” Generally, it takes a pup 20-25 minutes to do their business. When the pup goes potty, do the potty dance. The potty dance is a dance while you are singing the pup*s praises for going potty. It works!

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/house-training-your-puppy

*SOCIALIZE, SOCIALIZE AND SOCIALIZE SOME MORE

Socialize after they*ve had at least 2 round of shots preferably 3 rounds of shots to be safe. Prior to the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] or 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] round of shots, keep the pup in your own yard. If that is not possible, bring newspapers with you for the pup to walk on. Avoid dog parks and areas with a heavy traffic of animals.

Socialization can be the human park while the pup is on leash, riding in the car, sitting at the park or shopping center/mall, etc.

Tell strangers and strangers with pups “no touch, no talk, no look” at your pup as they approach. Bring your pup to sit while they approach. Have your pup approach the strangers and allow the pup to sniff them. Have a calm, controlled meeting. This shows your pup the correct way to greet strangers and other pups.

*TRAINING YOUR PUP

Start basic commands and reward with motivational treats (fav food or fav toy). Train for about 5 minutes per day and slowly increase the training time. Teach one command at a time. Once they master one command, move onto another command.


Number one command is sit. Teach the pup to sit, by placing a treat in front of his head and move it to the back causing him to sit to get the treat. When the pup sits, tell them good sit and give them the treat.

Second command should be "focus/look" This will help you tremendously when the pup is over 100 lbs. Put the pup into sit. With a treat in your hand (let the pup smell it), put the treat up to your eyes and tell the pup to look or focus. They may only do this for about 1-2 seconds. As soon as they look at your eyes, reward them. Generally, mastiffs do not like to look anyone in the eyes for long because that means a challenge to them.

Other commands are "down/off", "leave it," "wait" (short pause), "stay" (pausing until you release), drop it and "quiet/calm".

When you are training and when the pup does not do as you ask, then tell him “no” in a calm, stern voice and redirect back to the command. The only time a stern and loud NO should be used is when they are doing something that can cause harm to themselves or others.


Praise is the most powerful tool you have and the dog WANTS to please you. Show them clearly what you want, notice and praise when they comply, and learning goes much faster and pleasant for you both.

Mastiffs can be extremely stubborn and if you get frustrated with them, they will shut down and stop listening to you. Mastiffs do not do well with yelling or hitting. Hitting can result in some unwanted mastiff behavior meaning fear aggression, which equals biting.

The key to successful training is consistency with motivational rewards and LOTS of patience.

*LEASH TRAINING

Have the wear the leash around the house to get used to it. Once they are used to the leash around their neck, then you can start the leash training. Have lots of motivational rewards on hand while doing the training. Consistency and patience is key.

If the dog pulls, do not walk until they stop and turn to look at you, then thank them with a motivational reward and start walking again. Tell him it's ok to walk by you start walking. When you have to stop, tell him stop or wait and tell him sit. Titan knows that when we are walking and I say, "wait," he has to stop and sit and wait for me to begin walking again. Requires a lot of consistent training and patience. Do this inside the house and then move to outside.

If they nip at you because they want to play, do the same. Stop, sit and wait. Reward the dog with motivational reward when they do the commands.


*PUPPY BITING/NIPPING/AROUND CHILDREN

Puppies will chew/bite anything they can find unless you re-direct the chewing/biting. Provide frozen washcloths or small towels (make sure the cloths are big enough the pup cannot swallow them), ice cubes with treats frozen in the middle, nylabones, ropes, deer antlers, Kongs with frozen yogurt so they can chew to their heart*s desire. Some people use boxes, be aware that the pup will continue to chew all boxes.

If you puppy is biting/nipping, then try the following. This behavior can sometimes take a lot of patience and consistency in training.

They bite and growl because that is how they played with their siblings.
When they bite, tell them “OW” in a high-pitched voice and “NO” in a stern, calm voice. NEVER HIT OR YELL AT A MASTIFF. Hitting can lead to fear aggression and yelling causes the pup to shut down on you and ignore you.

When the pup stops biting, tell them to sit and re-direct to one of the chew toys.

Teach the pup “leave it” is another option. When the pup “leaves it” meaning your body part that he is biting, then bring to a sit and reward with motivational reward.

**Do not allow children and pup on the floor together. Pup will see them as playmates and nip at them. Picture the pup playing with their siblings.

Keep the pup on leash while the children are on the floor so you can have control of the pup. Pup and children should not be allowed to play alone.

Have the children hand fed the pup and help with training, i.e. teach the pup to sit, stay and come. This helps the pup to see them as non-playmates but as people in authority. These activities are great bonding exercises.

*EXERCISE

Puppies can exercise with natural movements and free play like running, stretching, playing on soft surfaces (grass and dirt). This type of exercise is actually healthy and good for their developing bodies but they do need to be able to pace themselves.

Structured exercise/play on hard surfaces and where they don't have they ability to pace themselves is where you need to be very careful. This type of exercise could harm the pup*s joints and bones. Puppies should not do any excessive exercise, i.e. walking, jumping, running and navigate stairs for the first 12 months to avoid injury.

Stairs should be maneuvered while on leash (even in the house) especially going down the stairs. Stairs should have carpet or rubber matting to give the pup traction. Mastiffs should be assisted up and down stairs until they are about age 12 months to prevent injury.

Most mastiffs can be very lazy but they still need to exercise. Generally, the amount of time to exercise is 5 minutes per each month of age.

*YOUR PUP AND HEAT (NOT THE FEMALE HEAT)

Remember, mastiffs do not tolerate heat. In the heat, reduce walk/exercise times. Have clean water available at all times. I freeze towels to either place on Titan or put on the floor for him to lie on in the summer to cool him off. Buy a kiddies* pool for the pup to play in to keep cool.

*DE-SEXING YOUR PUP

Mastiffs should not be neutered/spayed until 18 months to 2 years. NO MATTER what the vet says. Early neutering can cause growth problems and health issues. **Remember, you must be a very responsible dog owner to not neuter your pet to prevent unwanted pregnancies.**


Health Issues Linked to Spaying and Neutering Dogs


Enjoy your baby! Have lots of patience! The pup will reward you with love and loyalty!
 

Allison A

Member
Wow! thanks so much for all that wealth of knowledge musicdeb.

I finally found out how to upload the pictures.
 

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cinnamon roll

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Welcome to the forum.

That is an interesting mix, I have never heard of that mix before. I am very intrigued to see how your pup develops.

Your boy is very handsome. I love his color.
 

QY10

Well-Known Member
I have never heard of or seen this mix either, but man your pup is gorgeous!! He is just stunning and I love the colour on him.
 

Allison A

Member
You guys are all so sweet!

I think it's very interesting as well. I will upload pictures of the litter. Not one puppy looked a like. They were all different. The personalities were very different as well there was a puppy for every personality in that litter. One male had a whole mix of colors on him and looked like such a mix but I could tell his body had all the makings of a fila. He was thick boned and had that typical hound look....there was one girl in the litter that had the perfect coloring of a fila in my opinion, with nice reddish tan coat and beautiful black mask. The puppy I got had a brother that had the same exact coat but was a black brindle. They even had the same markings of white on the same exact places.

The main reason I picked a puppy from these people with this litter was because the parents were so mentally stable friendly and great with their 2 year old daughter...these people loved their dogs and it showed...each puppy was so confident and well rounded. Even though I felt like I was getting a puppy from good parents the leanage of the grandparents are unclear since there are no papers. I love the temperament of this puppy but was concerned about what kind of aggression this cross can show....of coarse I set up clear boundaries and rules, we also crate train....but I'm well aware of how territorial this cross can get...it is a dangerous mixture and I probably wouldn't reccomend someone intentionally breeding these 2 breeds. You've got hatred of strangers on one side and stubborn as hell on the other..lol

I will have to keep everyone updated on which side he leans to in temperament...Fila or French...that is the question....let's hope he has the best of both
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
He's a real cutie! What is his name? His facial features will change as he matures. I'm curious, as well, as to who he takes after. DDB or Fila? At this stage, I do not see DDB or Fila in his features.
 

angelbears

Well-Known Member
He is beautiful! I do have to ask if you know anything about a Fila and their temperament? I would not call a Fila friendly....ever. Not to a stranger. If there were puppies on the ground and a Fila let you come see them, that is not proper temperament. Filas with proper temperament should have at least been restrained on a leash, most would have to be crated if a stranger came on their property.

I only bring this up because if this is a Fila X and has a true Fila temperament, which he may not grow into until he is around one. You will need to know how to handle him to keep him safe and people that may encounter him.
 

Allison A

Member
He is beautiful! I do have to ask if you know anything about a Fila and their temperament? I would not call a Fila friendly....ever. Not to a stranger. If there were puppies on the ground and a Fila let you come see them, that is not proper temperament. Filas with proper temperament should have at least been restrained on a leash, most would have to be crated if a stranger came on their property.

I only bring this up because if this is a Fila X and has a true Fila temperament, which he may not grow into until he is around one. You will need to know how to handle him to keep him safe and people that may encounter him.


Hello angelbears.

I understand your concern and appreciate you asking. I Like to consider myself a very responsible dog owner and I do not put my dogs In situations I cannot control or do not feel comfortable with. I have done my research on both sides of his genetics and I'm aware at any point and time he can show aggression to strangers as he matures. As of now he is a baby and I will be highly socializing him soon after his 3rd round of puppy shots.

I Did not get to mention that when I spoke of the parents I only met the dad. He is the French mastiff. The mom sadly died shortly after giving birth. They think she was given too much anesthesia. I loved the fathers temperament. He was watchful but calm around his family. The mom I'm sure would probably not have even let me on the property but I can only go off of the owners claims that she was their most beloved dog. It was hard for them to talk about her without shedding a tear. From what they told me they never had visiters much because they have a big property and the dogs just hung around all day and played with their daughter. Again it is very important to me when I get a puppy it comes from a stable loving household and he did...the parents seemed to be a good balanced mix mentally. That's not to say he can't turn into that but I would find it highly unlikely since I'm educated with my dogs and I train regularly with a K9 trainer who trains shutzhund and police dogs for our city. I used to have a Rottweiler before the current dogs I have now so respect and boundaries with dog training are not new to me...

Again thanks for all the support and compliments on my new puppy.