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New Bullmastiff owner with concerns...

DanKyle26

Member
Hi guys.

I would like to start off by saying I'm relieved to find a forum specifically for bullmastiffs.

First concern:

I am new to owning a bullmastiff, and I've had Blake for two weeks now, but I already have a concern with him, regarding food. He isn't eating very much unfortunately. I've tried him with Pedigree puppy food, Butchers puppy food and a selection of biscuits. But he isn't interested. He eats approximately 1/4 of a tin and loses interests, even with different flavours. It seems no matter what I try him with, he isn't interested. We've rightly or wrongly gave him some chicken, which he loves. He also likes Tripe which I've discovered today. Because he is refusing dog food I am concerned. He is only 9 weeks old, and I'm aware he needs the right nutrition. I've also tried mixing biscuits with milk and water as well as dry, but he refuses to eat it.

I'm genuinely concerned. What can I do?

Second Concern:

Blake is 9 weeks old but appears to be quite clumsy on his back legs if he runs. He is fine when he walks, so am I just worrying for no reason? Will he get stronger within time? Or could it be something more serious?

Thanks guys for reading quite a large thread, any advice and input will be greatly appreciated.
 

Penelope's Mom

Well-Known Member
Hi Dan, Pedigree is not the best food to be feeding your boy. Check out dogfoodadvisor.com and try to find a food that receives a 4 or 5-star rating. Many mastiffs are allergic to poultry and grain so they do well on a poultry-free, grain-free formula. Others here can advise you on the proper calcium/phosphorous ratio to feed your new baby and a puppy food usually isn't necessary or recommended.

We want to see pics of course and others here can advise you on Blake's back leg issues. :)
 

DanKyle26

Member
Hi Dan, Pedigree is not the best food to be feeding your boy. Check out dogfoodadvisor.com and try to find a food that receives a 4 or 5-star rating. Many mastiffs are allergic to poultry and grain so they do well on a poultry-free, grain-free formula. Others here can advise you on the proper calcium/phosphorous ratio to feed your new baby and a puppy food usually isn't necessary or recommended.

We want to see pics of course and others here can advise you on Blake's back leg issues. :)

Hi,

Thank you for replying to my concern. Would it be suitable then to put Blake on normal junior/adult food considering puppy food isn't necessary or recommended. I didn't know this so I'm so glad you've informed me.

I have attached some photos of my lad, hopefully they will be of some use.
 

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Crystalanya

Well-Known Member
I concur woth the above advise. My EM is allergic to chicken and it took me several months to figure this out. He is also very picky so he won't eat a lot of the limited ingrediant foods. I feed him and my lab Earthborn Holistic Meadow feast--it has no poultry or chicken fat in it. He loves it. Its one of the few that doesn't make him itch and he'll eat. Giant breed dogs do not need puppy food. In fact puppy food with their high volume of phosphorus and other minerals can cause mastiffs to grow too fast. This can lead to pano and potentially other muscular skeletal conditions. Adult food is best. I will warn that feed a mastiff puppy Earthborn bolistic can get expensive. Also Gummy likes yoghurt on his food and I find that is a relatively inexpensive way to add to his food that is good for him. Plain yoghurt i ly. They do not need the added sugars of most yoghurts. Tripe is ways a favourite. I've had problems finding it since I moved to the States though. Inhave other recommendations on food that Gummy has been on in the past if you'd like as well.
 

DanKyle26

Member
I concur woth the above advise. My EM is allergic to chicken and it took me several months to figure this out. He is also very picky so he won't eat a lot of the limited ingrediant foods. I feed him and my lab Earthborn Holistic Meadow feast--it has no poultry or chicken fat in it. He loves it. Its one of the few that doesn't make him itch and he'll eat. Giant breed dogs do not need puppy food. In fact puppy food with their high volume of phosphorus and other minerals can cause mastiffs to grow too fast. This can lead to pano and potentially other muscular skeletal conditions. Adult food is best. I will warn that feed a mastiff puppy Earthborn bolistic can get expensive. Also Gummy likes yoghurt on his food and I find that is a relatively inexpensive way to add to his food that is good for him. Plain yoghurt i ly. They do not need the added sugars of most yoghurts. Tripe is ways a favourite. I've had problems finding it since I moved to the States though. Inhave other recommendations on food that Gummy has been on in the past if you'd like as well.

Thank you for your input. I will skip straight to adult food now for sure. Luckily, I haven't had Blake long, so my lack of knowledge wouldn't of had any impact on him. I was looking at the Blue Buffalo Blue Stew dog food after reading the 5* reviews on it, but I am from the UK and I cannot find who has this? Blake loves tripe too, I gave him this earlier, but I'm guessing this wouldn't be a suitable food for every day?

Ideally I would like a wet food for Blake, and a biscuit for evening times.. if I can find something he will enjoy, and that will benefit him, I will be hugely relieved.
 

dpenning

Well-Known Member
I feed a dry kibble but if he liked the chicken and tripe you may consider a raw diet for him. There is whole subsection on this feeding method, I believe in the health and nutrition forum. He is adorable, congratulations on the new family member. Another thing to try is to do a search on the calcium phosphorus ratios in the forum and look at the nutrition on some of the 5* foods and then compare that data to something that is locally available to you. We do have quite a few UK members tho so perhaps someone can steer you in a more local solution.
 

Crystalanya

Well-Known Member
Helpful to know you are e in the UK. The imported North American made foods can be pricey and difficult to find. I'm asking a mate what he feeds his dog. I always did raw food back in London. But my papa was really good friends with our local butcher. That made it affordable. It's rather dear to do raw otherwise. Blake is so cute and looks so mich like my Gummy Bear at that age. Most people think he'a a bullmastiff cos he's a small EM.
 

DanKyle26

Member
I feed a dry kibble but if he liked the chicken and tripe you may consider a raw diet for him. There is whole subsection on this feeding method, I believe in the health and nutrition forum. He is adorable, congratulations on the new family member. Another thing to try is to do a search on the calcium phosphorus ratios in the forum and look at the nutrition on some of the 5* foods and then compare that data to something that is locally available to you. We do have quite a few UK members tho so perhaps someone can steer you in a more local solution.

Thank you :)

I was wondering if this food would be any good? I've read good things on it.. Rinti 6 x 400g: Great Deals on Rinti Canned Dog Food at Zooplus
 

Penelope's Mom

Well-Known Member
You want to feed canned food? Mastiffs are picky so if you begin a canned food diet, be prepared him to always want canned food.
 

DanKyle26

Member
You want to feed canned food? Mastiffs are picky so if you begin a canned food diet, be prepared him to always want canned food.

Ideally I would with some biscuits of an evening, but then again, it isn't up to me. What Blake says, goes! lol.. I've ordered quite a few trays of 6 of the Rinti food. All I can do is give it a go. It's apparently pure meat and admired by a lot of dog owners. Turkey, Ocean Fish, Lamb and Beef. So quite a variety for him :) there is a lot more choice also, but I will see how he does on the ones I've ordered first, and buy the others if he likes them.
 

DanKyle26

Member
Sure, I'll post pictures as he grows, which I guess won't take long. I hear they shoot up pretty fast so I hold him a lot now while I can :)
 

glen

Super Moderator
Staff member
Hi and welcome,cute pup you have,we are from uk and if you want kibble check out eden holistics on the internet they deliver for free,weve had budcuss on it and its done him great its no chicken or grain.theres millies wolfheart as well he didnt like that but yours might,what part of the uk are you from.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Welcome aboard and congrats on your new family member~

The following tips/suggestions are based on my experience as a dog mommy, forum member*s posts and volunteering at an animal shelter for a year.

*CRATE THE PUP

You want to crate train the pup. Make sure you have a blanket, stuffed animal (about their size) and white noise (ticking clock or ipod with soft music) so the pup can sleep. The pup is used to cuddling with siblings.

Make the crate the pup*s happy place to go to when he wants to sleep, decompress or just hang out.

*SECURE THE PUP NEAR THE FAMILY

You want to keep the pup in a room with a family member. Mastiffs need to be near their family members.

*FOOD

Find out what kind of food the shelter/rescue/breeder was feeding the pup and continue to feed it to the pup until you transition to a newer food because most shelters/rescues/breeders use the cheapest food, meaning it is not very good for the pup.

Slow transition to the new food is as follows to prevent diarrhea. If at any time during the transition, the pup has diarrhea return to previous amounts of food per feeding. If you are switching flavors made by the same manufacturer, you should not have to do a slow transition.

Amount per feeding:

Day 1-4 ¾ cup of old food and ¼ cup of new food.

Day 5-9 ½ cup of old food and ½ cup of new food.

Day 10-14 ¾ cup of new food and ¼ cup of old food

Day 15 Start 100% of new food

OR

You can feed the pup boiled meat and boiled white rice with canned/raw pumpkin (not the pie filling) usually start with 1 teaspoon or the pumpkin for young puppies and 1-2 tablespoons of pumpkin for pups older than 8-10 months for 4-5 days to reset their system. After the reset, start the new food.

Generally, mastiffs are allergic to grain and chicken found in kibble. You can check www.dogfoodadvisor.com for dog food ratings and customer feedback. Mastiff puppies should eat Large Breed adult food or All Stage food because puppy food has too much calcium which causes fast growth. Slow and steady growth for a healthy mastiff. Protein in the food is not an issue unless the pup has kidney issues.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1659&aid=652

Dog Food FAQs: Protein

Check out Acana Regionals, Wellness Core, Castor & Pollux Grain Free, Earthborn Holistics, Fromm*s, Innova Natures Table, Victor*s Grain Free or Taste of the Wild grain free. Chewy.com is a great place to order dog food and they offer free shipping.

You may want to check out the raw diet for your pup. Raw diet can be fed to young pups. Check out the sub forum on raw diet that has a wealth of information. It is not recommended to feed the pup kibble (one with grains) and raw food. Do your research re: raw diet and form your own opinion.

*PUP NOT EATING WHEN YOU FIRST BRING THEM HOME

They are not used to their new environment and this is a natural behavior. Take the pup to a quiet place at meal times and sit and hand feed the pup. This will help the pup to eat when they are placed in a calm atmosphere, help you to bond with the pup and help the pup establish trust with you. As they become settled, they will naturally follow your routine.

*PROTECT THE PUP FROM DISEASE

Keep the pup in your yard and place newspapers down where they will walk on the ground. Keep the pup away from dog areas unless they have had their 2nd round of shots, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] round of shots is best so they will have some immunity to the infectious diseases, i.e. Parvo. This is very important!

*HOUSE TRAINING YOUR PUP

Keep pup on leash when you take them outside. Train them with a potty word, like “potty.” Generally, it takes a pup 20-25 minutes to do their business. When the pup goes potty, do the potty dance. The potty dance is a dance while you are singing the pup*s praises for going potty. It works!

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/house-training-your-puppy

*SOCIALIZE, SOCIALIZE AND SOCIALIZE SOME MORE

Socialize after they*ve had at least 2 round of shots preferably 3 rounds of shots to be safe. Prior to the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] or 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] round of shots, keep the pup in your own yard. If that is not possible, bring newspapers with you for the pup to walk on. Avoid dog parks and areas with a heavy traffic of animals.

Socialization can be the human park while the pup is on leash, riding in the car, sitting at the park or shopping center/mall, etc.

Tell strangers and strangers with pups “no touch, no talk, no look” at your pup as they approach. Bring your pup to sit while they approach. Have your pup approach the strangers and allow the pup to sniff them. Have a calm, controlled meeting. This shows your pup the correct way to greet strangers and other pups.

*TRAINING YOUR PUP

Start basic commands and reward with motivational treats (fav food or fav toy). Train for about 5 minutes per day and slowly increase the training time. Teach one command at a time. Once they master one command, move onto another command.


Number one command is sit. Teach the pup to sit, by placing a treat in front of his head and move it to the back causing him to sit to get the treat. When the pup sits, tell them good sit and give them the treat.

Second command should be "focus/look" This will help you tremendously when the pup is over 100 lbs. Put the pup into sit. With a treat in your hand (let the pup smell it), put the treat up to your eyes and tell the pup to look or focus. They may only do this for about 1-2 seconds. As soon as they look at your eyes, reward them. Generally, mastiffs do not like to look anyone in the eyes for long because that means a challenge to them.

Other commands are "down/off", "leave it," "wait" (short pause), "stay" (pausing until you release), drop it and "quiet/calm".

When you are training and when the pup does not do as you ask, then tell him “no” in a calm, stern voice and redirect back to the command. The only time a stern and loud NO should be used is when they are doing something that can cause harm to themselves or others.


Praise is the most powerful tool you have and the dog WANTS to please you. Show them clearly what you want, notice and praise when they comply, and learning goes much faster and pleasant for you both.

Mastiffs can be extremely stubborn and if you get frustrated with them, they will shut down and stop listening to you. Mastiffs do not do well with yelling or hitting. Hitting can result in some unwanted mastiff behavior meaning fear aggression, which equals biting.

The key to successful training is consistency with motivational rewards and LOTS of patience.

*LEASH TRAINING

Have the wear the leash around the house to get used to it. Once they are used to the leash around their neck, then you can start the leash training. Have lots of motivational rewards on hand while doing the training. Consistency and patience is key.

If the dog pulls, do not walk until they stop and turn to look at you, then thank them with a motivational reward and start walking again. Tell him it's ok to walk by you start walking. When you have to stop, tell him stop or wait and tell him sit. Titan knows that when we are walking and I say, "wait," he has to stop and sit and wait for me to begin walking again. Requires a lot of consistent training and patience. Do this inside the house and then move to outside.

If they nip at you because they want to play, do the same. Stop, sit and wait. Reward the dog with motivational reward when they do the commands.


*PUPPY BITING/NIPPING/AROUND CHILDREN

Puppies will chew/bite anything they can find unless you re-direct the chewing/biting. Provide frozen washcloths or small towels (make sure the cloths are big enough the pup cannot swallow them), ice cubes with treats frozen in the middle, nylabones, ropes, deer antlers, Kongs with frozen yogurt so they can chew to their heart*s desire. Some people use boxes, be aware that the pup will continue to chew all boxes.

If you puppy is biting/nipping, then try the following. This behavior can sometimes take a lot of patience and consistency in training.

They bite and growl because that is how they played with their siblings.
When they bite, tell them “OW” in a high-pitched voice and “NO” in a stern, calm voice. NEVER HIT OR YELL AT A MASTIFF. Hitting can lead to fear aggression and yelling causes the pup to shut down on you and ignore you.

When the pup stops biting, tell them to sit and re-direct to one of the chew toys.

Teach the pup “leave it” is another option. When the pup “leaves it” meaning your body part that he is biting, then bring to a sit and reward with motivational reward.

**Do not allow children and pup on the floor together. Pup will see them as playmates and nip at them. Picture the pup playing with their siblings.

Keep the pup on leash while the children are on the floor so you can have control of the pup. Pup and children should not be allowed to play alone.

Have the children hand fed the pup and help with training, i.e. teach the pup to sit, stay and come. This helps the pup to see them as non-playmates but as people in authority. These activities are great bonding exercises.

*EXERCISE

Puppies can exercise with natural movements and free play like running, stretching, playing on soft surfaces (grass and dirt). This type of exercise is actually healthy and good for their developing bodies but they do need to be able to pace themselves.

Structured exercise/play on hard surfaces and where they don't have they ability to pace themselves is where you need to be very careful. This type of exercise could harm the pup*s joints and bones. Puppies should not do any excessive exercise, i.e. walking, jumping, running and navigate stairs for the first 12 months to avoid injury.

Stairs should be maneuvered while on leash (even in the house) especially going down the stairs. Stairs should have carpet or rubber matting to give the pup traction. Mastiffs should be assisted up and down stairs until they are about age 12 months to prevent injury.

Most mastiffs can be very lazy but they still need to exercise. Generally, the amount of time to exercise is 5 minutes per each month of age.

*YOUR PUP AND HEAT (NOT THE FEMALE HEAT)

Remember, mastiffs do not tolerate heat. In the heat, reduce walk/exercise times. Have clean water available at all times. I freeze towels to either place on Titan or put on the floor for him to lie on in the summer to cool him off. Buy a kiddies* pool for the pup to play in to keep cool.

*DE-SEXING YOUR PUP

Mastiffs should not be neutered/spayed until 18 months to 2 years. NO MATTER what the vet says. Early neutering can cause growth problems and health issues. **Remember, you must be a very responsible dog owner to not neuter your pet to prevent unwanted pregnancies.**


Health Issues Linked to Spaying and Neutering Dogs


Enjoy your baby! Have lots of patience! The pup will reward you with love and loyalty!
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
Your baby is adorable!!

I'd recommend you pick a food and then stick with it for a while - mixing it up between brands too much can cause tummy confusion and runny poops. :(
If he's picky - try using his regular food as treats for training, and you can also feed him LOTS just by hand in a relaxing environment - maybe near his dish, so he get a better association of eating meals near (and then from) his food dish. He's pretty much a sponge at this age, so if you let him get away with stuff now - he'll be trying to get away with it for a LONG time to come. :)

As for the clumsy puppy syndrome... I thought Denna was a bit wobbly as a puppy, too... but she's grown up great! Not always graceful, but at least mostly coordinated. HA!
Here are some videos of Denna for your comparisons - scroll to the bottom for her earliest works:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Denna/303661206377738?sk=videos