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Neutering

tb44

Well-Known Member
Don't Drink the kool aid!


AR propoganda and the sheeple eat it up. %99.9 of the time its owners not the dog or the dangly bits. Instead of admitiing their own faults they blame it on the dog. IMO s/n is an benefit to the owner not the dog. As Ruth and Smart have mentioned vets who were pro-nueuter at 8 wks - 6 months realize now the damange that can be done when I dog is not provided the opportunity to mature.

The roaming, littters, humping, and marking behaviors that are usually curbed with training or lack their of due to stupid owners. I've kept full dogs most of my life and not ONE has sired a litter, roam, mark ( outside and only if I allow them to) with no problems.
 

thelady_v2010

Well-Known Member
LOL, welcome to the dog world, haha!! We get it too.

To answer your question most of those people wont' want to socialize with you because you dog is full. I'm not sure how old you boy is but realize this as he matures he may change. That' doesn't mean any thing negative but realize that he'll likely be less tolerable of certain things.

Yes, he is 4 months old. We want a social dog, especially with my BILs dog. We want a dog we can take places, like he is part of the family. I do know he can change, so I was hoping to do things that will make him less territorial or aggressive, if possible. We are socializing a lot. We are working with him daily with training. In 3 weeks he is going to stay with the trainer for 2 weeks and we are paying out the ass for that training. We are willing to go to great lengths to make sure he is a "good" dog because I feel that is my responsibility when I got a large dog and am letting him into the world.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
Yes, he is 4 months old. We want a social dog, especially with my BILs dog. We want a dog we can take places, like he is part of the family. I do know he can change, so I was hoping to do things that will make him less territorial or aggressive, if possible. We are socializing a lot. We are working with him daily with training. In 3 weeks he is going to stay with the trainer for 2 weeks and we are paying out the ass for that training. We are willing to go to great lengths to make sure he is a "good" dog because I feel that is my responsibility when I got a large dog and am letting him into the world.

Already on the right track! :thumbsup:
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
I will say that having worked in the shelter/rescue world that I do believe that it's better to spay/neuter most than trust the owners. I guess I'm kind of a hypocrite though because at the time I was advocating for spay and neuter at work while I had an unspayed dog at home haha.
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
It's your dog, your decision, and no one else's business. :)

Yup, I don't have a problem with someone who, after reading all the studies, and discussing to get as many POVs as possible, decides that they just aren't 100% about their ability to keep the dog from the local intact bitch and decides to neuter. And although I'd cringe I'd not even really have a problem with that same person doing so before 1yr of age. AS LONG AS THEY TOOK THE TIME TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES, and they understand the pros and cons of both sides, its their decision and in the end its their dog and they know themselves.

But boy does it piss me off when teh vets insist that you HAVE to neuter by 6 months cause otherwise he's GOING to cause problems, and they don't even discuss the negetive sides of doing so.....take spay incontinence for example. Its such a common side effect of early spay that its even called that in the medical texts! But vets don't tell the owners of young female dogs that its a possibility.....till after the dog is spayed, and she's leaking urine every time she sits.....
 

tb44

Well-Known Member
Why the hell do the vets try to push the 6 month s/n? Makes me angry. Just like puppy food my vet printed me out a study when I told him my decisions!
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
Why the hell do the vets try to push the 6 month s/n? Makes me angry. Just like puppy food my vet printed me out a study when I told him my decisions!

I finally told my vet that we planned to show Apollo (the truth, but none of their business) to keep them off my back about him. And then when we got Arty, we ended up seeing a different vet in the practice for his new puppy visit....I was worried about having two intact males from breeds with known same sex aggression issues....you know what the VET thought was the worst thing I needed to be warned about if I kept Arty intact?? That they might mark in the house.....I wanted to beat my head into the wall. And boy was he thrilled when one of Arty's testicles never dropped so I had to neuter him anyway.....I try to avoid that particular vet when I take them in there now....
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
I will say that having worked in the shelter/rescue world that I do believe that it's better to spay/neuter most than trust the owners. I guess I'm kind of a hypocrite though because at the time I was advocating for spay and neuter at work while I had an unspayed dog at home haha.

Smart I agree for most owners out there yes. However this cultist idea of responsible ownership and naugty bits needs to stop.

Why the hell do the vets try to push the 6 month s/n? Makes me angry. Just like puppy food my vet printed me out a study when I told him my decisions!

AR groups, money, so many variables. The only thing I wish is that vets would be more honest and present BOTH sides of the story. That and sheeple do more research. How hard is that? Google is a FREE tool!
 

ruthcatrin

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To be fair, vets see the downside to not spay/neutering. They see the unwanted litters, and the rare dog who gets cancer, and the like, where the healthy ones don't make the same impression on them. And alot of the earlier studies insisted that there WAS no downside to early s/n. Except that the earlier studies were done mostly with smaller dogs, who reach their maturity ALOT younger and are less likely to have joint problems in hte first place....but its not that hard to discuss the negetive sides too, and I suspect that your average medium to small dog owner is going to opt for s/n fairly early ANYWAY rather than deal with a bitch in heat or the potential downsides of an intact male....

And I don't really blame the rescues and the shelters for insisting that the animals be s/n before they're handed off to their new owners, for much the same reasons. I DO wish that vastectomies and tubel ligations were more easily accessible and that the rescues and shelters would allow that instead of full s/n, but I don't blame them either.
 
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tb44

Well-Known Member
My vet backed off I told him that it's in my contract that I CAN NOT spay until 18 months. I now see his partner that works with two different mastiff breeders so hopefully they will put the kool aid away now.
 

mx5055

Well-Known Member
Why the hell do the vets try to push the 6 month s/n? Makes me angry. Just like puppy food my vet printed me out a study when I told him my decisions!

I actually have to give my vet credit when it's due him....He gave me the "whole" speech about why I should spay Bella at 6 months; yet he also totally paid attention to me when I explained exactly why I was not going to do it, and when I planned on doing it....His response was...."You have obviously put a lot of time and thought into this issue, researched it, and I respect that. Just call us when it's time and make an appointment to bring her in". This is not the first issue we have not seen eye to eye on, but I like the fact that he actually listens to me and doesn't try and "force" anything on me.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
I actually have to give my vet credit when it's due him....He gave me the "whole" speech about why I should spay Bella at 6 months; yet he also totally paid attention to me when I explained exactly why I was not going to do it, and when I planned on doing it....His response was...."You have obviously put a lot of time and thought into this issue, researched it, and I respect that. Just call us when it's time and make an appointment to bring her in". This is not the first issue we have not seen eye to eye on, but I like the fact that he actually listens to me and doesn't try and "force" anything on me.

Exactly!
 

thelady_v2010

Well-Known Member
I don't have a dog vet yet, just where I take my cats. The store gave me a certificatate to have a health inspection and parasite tests done on him, so I took him to the clinic last week. The vet there told me I coould get him fixed now, at 4 months old.

I am going to research and make a decision. Menace doesn't get put outside, on a tie out or in a yard. I walk him and I take him out. We don't have a fenced in yard. I do believe I can keep him away from females, but I also feel it is the females owner to keep her under wraps!
 

thelady_v2010

Well-Known Member
The doggie daycare my friend uses and raves about for her pits will only take unneutered dogs up to 7 months old. I had a feeling.

What about boarding, do you think boarders won't take unneutered males?
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
There are places that will board unneutered dogs but most of the time the dogs have to kept separated from the other dogs so no play time.
 

mx5055

Well-Known Member
There are places that will board unneutered dogs but most of the time the dogs have to kept separated from the other dogs so no play time.

Yes...Because of Max not being neutered, when I had to leave town and kennel/board him someplace I always had too (well, I didn't have to, but I did it for him) pay extra for him to have "play" sessions on his own, as he couldn't participate in the group ones.
 

thelady_v2010

Well-Known Member
There are places that will board unneutered dogs but most of the time the dogs have to kept separated from the other dogs so no play time.

We may continue to board him with his trainer, way more money but probably worth it. He will know Menace and hopefully trust him. He uses his dogs to help in training, so they will get to know each other.
 

Smokeycat

Well-Known Member
There are places that will board unneutered dogs but most of the time the dogs have to kept separated from the other dogs so no play time.

The one I use allows unaltered dogs but Kryten will only be allowed to play with the dogs he already knows and the owners had to ok it in advance.