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I'm planning to adopt a mastiff

Nancy Adams

New Member
I'm planning to adopt a mastiff since I saw them in TV and I thought it would be nice to get one the problem is I don't what to prepare, so was hoping to get advice.
 

Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
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Preparation is everything. I hope that was a misprint about "I don't what (sic) to prepare." These are large dogs, they need a strong, but fair master/mistress. They need training and guidance, without which they can become problem dogs....Very large, potentially dangerous, problem dogs.

Mastiffs can bring in hefty vet bills, they are prone to hip and knee problems, eye problems, stomach/bloat problems. They only live, with a good home and good food and good vet care, about 10 years...12 if you are very lucky. They need to be walked, which means, you need to have control of the walk, otherwise you'll be dragged down the street by a 120-220 lb dog depending on which Mastiff you choose.

Mastiffs consume a lot of food and water, and it has to be good food, not cheap food full of dyes and chemicals. They are generally quite heat sensitive and can become sick very quickly if there is no shade and air conditioning. They are very independent and stubborn animals and you have to establish being their absolute leader or they will run YOU.

Even flea and tick treatments come at a much larger expense. My 6 month flea treatment is around $120, and then the tick treatment is less, but has to be given more frequently because of her size.

If you have children, it requires real consideration because the Mastiff will be bigger and stronger than the kids. Mine knocks the neighbour kids over constantly and she's not trying to hurt them, she's just big and bumps into them. Thankfully, my neighbour has a large dog, too, and the kids just ricochet off the two of them when they are playing. But, this could pose a real danger to small/medium children.

Every day this dog is going to want to be walked...good long walks in the cool of the day, either morning or night or both. You have to carry water for them when it's hot out because they can succumb easily to being too hot.

Basically, this type of dog is a major commitment in time, money, effort, love, training. This is not the dog I would suggest for a neophyte, a person who has limited money or time or housing or skill level.

And, let me share this from my personal experience. Back in the 80's I went with my then husband to view Bull mastiffs at a breeder outside of our city. We both got the bug about Mastiffs after seeing the movie Hooch with Tom Hanks. And we were thrilled about the potential for getting one of these ultra-cute puppies. But reality bit when we were told that the cost for the pup was the smallest part of the fee; at that time, from a champion line, around $1,500. The rest of the cost was for training. Training that was mandatory. It cost more than the pup. The breeder wasn't going to give a pup to just anyone, he wanted to know they were both emotionally equipped to handle a 130+ lb dog, but that we had the skill set to be good owners. It was a further commitment in time because we'd have to drive there once a week for intense training. Well, we demurred...said we'd consider it. We were both very busy (bad sign), upwardly mobile, young professionals. Back then people like us were called "Yuppies." But, the breeder was right, we didn't have the right stuff. We weren't what the breed needed. ARE YOU?

In the case of a marriage break-up who would get the dog? Who would take care of the training? Who would pay for the vet? Would we do it like the dog was a human kid and pay dog-support? Hey, stuff happens. Life changes. Even for us now, it is the constant worry about who will look after our dog if we both pass away suddenly.
And, believe me, when you look at the candidates, you have to consider the stability of their families, their health, their ability to provide a healthy, happy home.

And, finally, these dogs are very dependent on their owners...they are klingons, they like to be touching you, sleeping with you, going where you go. It can be stifling, at times when they are being needy, it can make you feel claustrophobic. You just can't drop them off at the pound when they become too much of an inconvenience.

I would personally relate the decision to get a Mastiff to be as important a decision as deciding who to marry, or which house to buy. A decision that is not to be taken lightly. You need to know who you are and what you are capable of handling, and, if you can honestly say, "Yes, I'm a person of stability and ability and I can provide a healthy, happy home to this animal", then I would say, "Welcome to the family...to our pack."
 

Nik

Well-Known Member
Do you have prior dog experience? Do you have prior large dog experience? Do you know what type of mastiff you are interested in? This can help us narrow down how much advice you need and what type. :)

If you already have large dog experience that narrows down how much advice you may need.

Also you will find the health section of the forum and the training section really useful. There is so much good advice already housed on the forum from prior discussions. And we are a friendly community and more than happy to help answer any questions.
 

Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
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Thanks Nik, I was being a little doomsday about my advice, you were right to point out that looking at these two areas, Health and Nutrition and Training and Behaviour would provide much information about the issues that Mastiffs and their owners face.

Nancy, take a read of these two areas mentioned above. I really want you to be informed. And, as Nik has noted, we are a friendly community and we will help you with any answers you need.
 

Nancy Adams

New Member
omg thanks guys and Bailey's Mom I disagree your reply wasn't doomsday it was more realistic and Nik I'm still not sure which to get I am what Bailey's Mom mentioned a yuppie and I don't have any prior dog experience
 

kingmark

Well-Known Member
omg thanks guys and Bailey's Mom I disagree your reply wasn't doomsday it was more realistic and Nik I'm still not sure which to get I am what Bailey's Mom mentioned a yuppie and I don't have any prior dog experience
If you dont have any dog experience and plenty of time then forget about mastiffs please!
 

Nik

Well-Known Member
omg thanks guys and Bailey's Mom I disagree your reply wasn't doomsday it was more realistic and Nik I'm still not sure which to get I am what Bailey's Mom mentioned a yuppie and I don't have any prior dog experience

Hmm in that case I wouldn't recommend a mastiff as a first dog if you don't have the time to devote to training, learning etc. and don't already have experience. We could probably come up with some good recommendations of other dog breeds that might be better for a first dog though with a little more info. Below is a list of questions that can help narrow down the t ype of dog that would be a good fit for you.

What sort of house do you live in? Tall fence, big yard, or an apartment? Are you someone who loves larger dogs only or do you also like smaller dogs? Do you have finances to easily cover vet bills, food, etc?
Do you have children in the house? Are you single/married etc? (Some breeds are more devoted to one individual while some breeds tend to be more family oriented). How do you feel about grooming? Do you have the funds to take your dog for regular (possibly costly) groomings or do you prefer a dog that doesn't require much in the way of grooming? Do you have allergies to dogs that you know of? (some are hyperallergenic and well suited to people with allergies). What are you looking for in a dog? A dog to play with and be active with or a dog to snuggle you while watch tv? Both?

If anyone else can think of any good questions I missed please jump in.

And Nancy I super appreciate your honesty and hope we can help point you in the direction towards the dog that is the right fit for you. :)
 

Boxergirl

Well-Known Member
So what kind of dogs is good for VERY VERY inexperienced people?

There is no cookie cutter answer to this. First you need to answer the questions Nik has asked. Any information you can share about what you expect from the dog, what traits you like, what kind of work you're willing to put in, etc are going to be helpful. It's pretty easy to toss out a list of dogs that can be difficult for first time owners with no experience. It's a little bit harder to help you find a dog to fit your lifestyle without more information.
 

Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Read...visit...take part in clubs...visit dog shows, etc., Become a dog walker, a dog foster parent, something to get your paws into the game without going all in and perhaps hurting another living creature. I think you are wise enough to know that it can be very, very unsuccessful with the wrong dog. And even if it's a great, even tempered dog, you need to have the time and ability to really work with them and become a good leader.

When I mentioned the early days of being a "Yuppy", you identified with that, well, in a nutshell, I defaulted to one... then two cats.... This was more in tempo with my life as a busy professional, I didn't have time for everything and everybody and I had just bought my first house, gotten married...it was psychiatric enough without adding a soulful complicated dog like a Mastiff. I would have been a bad dog owner in those days. Heck...I wasn't even able to rescue my neighbour's dog from his neglect (this could have been me with a Mastiff at that time)...so...weigh your reality. If you had to walk your dog twice a day for a minimum of 20 minutes with longer walks on weekends and you had to be home every night to give them their dinner and walks and you couldn't just go out from work and not come home until the wee small hours of the night because everyone else in the office was meeting up for some celebration, then...A dog...any dog is not right for you at this time in your life. Just saying: I've Been There, I've Done That. It's hard enough to plan around a aloof cat or two, imagine planning around a possibly destructive dog who will not manage being alone for long lengths of time.

In plain fact, you can't leave dogs alone for long lengths of time...it makes them crazy or worse, so do the math... and realize, this is just this stage of your life...the next stage will be more home bound: house, kids, schedules, early bedtimes...LIFE...and dogs fit in there pretty well because that life makes room for them, for their needs.

Hoping the best for you...

Oh, ps: My cats...The Best Ever....total soul mates. I miss them, but I'm a dog person now! I've got the time to do it right.
 

Smokeycat

Well-Known Member
The best breed for a brand new owner is the one that will fit into your current lifestyle. The only way to know that is to research, research again and then research some more.
As an example he is what I did. 6.5 years ago I got my first ever dog. About a year before I ever found Jiggers I started searching for what would be a good match. I started by getting a book of dog breeds. I then went through the book and eliminated the breeds that I wouldn't want to own. For me that was based on size and appearance. Once that was completed I sat down and made a list of what I wanted/was willing to deal with in terms of training, grooming, energy, friendliness to people/animals etc. The toughest part is that you need to be very honest with yourself. I also came up with a list of non-negotiables. Once I had those 2 lists I went back to the book and started reading the descriptions. If it didn't match the non-negotiable list it was instantly rejected even if it matched the other list.
Once I had a short list of breeds that matched all the requirements I had i started looking for more information on each breed. I contacted breeders and looked on dog breed websites. While doing this i found several dog breed selector quizzes and took them. Ultimately I ended up with a dog that was a mix of 2 breeds that were on my short list and on all of the quizzes.
A year later when I was looking to add a second dog I stumbled upon an ad for Mastiff puppies. I did a quick search and comparison to the requirements I had made before I got Jiggers and discovered that the areas that didn't match exactly were now areas where I knew that my requirements had changed. I wouldn't have known that I could handle some of the challenges that come with owning a guardian breed (especially one that is bigger than me) if I hadn't had the daily experience of owning a dog.
I agree that for most people a Mastiff, or any of the breeds on this site are not for a first time dog owner unless they can honestly say that they have the time and patience to train and socialize and maintain that training, neither of which is an insignificant amount.
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
When we (my husband and I) decided to get our first dog, it was because DH was working nights, and I wanted some company (and protection, even if it was just 'alert' protection) when he was at work.
We adopted a 10-12 week old puppy from the local humane society who was listed as a rott/shep mix (looked very rottie in appearance), expected to be 60-80lbs as an adult. Well... he hit 80lbs by his 6 month mark, and topped out at 199lbs.

My husband grew up with a pug mix and I grew up with a cocker spaniel, so neither of us was familiar with guardian breeds or training puppies, for that matter. The humane society sent us to puppy class as part of the adoption and also made us sign a contract saying we would crate train, and have that crate in the bedroom with us (no outdoor-only dogs allowed!). Two of the BEST things they did for us and our dogs!

We continued on with obedience 1 and 2 training with our first dog (and every other dog we've had), and we decided his other breed must have been Great Pyrenees. He was an awesome dog. Great protector and guardian... even at the dog park, he was "the Ref", breaking up arguments just by stepping in the middle of things. :)

Anyway... my point, is that you have to start somewhere. And even first time dog owners can successfully raise a dog from one of the "not for the inexperienced dog owner" breeds - if they go into it with the right approach: love, time & training.

We knew the puppy would never be home alone more than a few hours at a time... when the husband got a day job, I could run home for lunch to let the dog out. And, pretty much ever since, either one of us comes home for lunch or I've been working out of the house, so lots of time with the dogs at home. I think that's a BIG concern - especially for a small puppy. They need lots of supervision and potty breaks. People have done it - work and have puppies - but it takes dedication and an understanding boss.

If you do your research and know the mastiff is a breed that fits your lifestyle, you can make it work.

If you want a "starter dog"... look at adopting a senior dog. There are too many out there that are left behind when their long-time owners go into retirement housing or hospice care and can't take their perfectly trained and loved dog along. :(
Many of them can go long days in the home without a potty break (but not all). Many of them are perfectly well behaved, and find themselves homeless due to very sad family circumstances.

I follow a rescue, OldDogHaven (.org), and have plans to bring one of their dogs in need home one day... but I do travel for work, which makes it difficult... and we'd also have to find one that Denna would like to share her home with, too. But I don't think that would be very hard. I think she'd enjoy a laid-back sibling to snuggle and wrestle with. :)
 

Nancy Adams

New Member
DennasMom that is one informational and sweet story and thanks BoxerGirl and SmokeyCat I really should look into it and BaileysMom I actually am a cat person I really love cats the only problem is that I'm allergic to them, like very allergic, that's why I'm looking for dogs at the moment.
Anyways thank you guys for all the suggestions and stories you shared it really helped and will continue to help me.