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Romartin

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My boyfriend and I rescued a BullMastiff pup just a few weeks ago (he was 11 weeks old on Sunday), we were told that he is like 98% bullmastiff and 2% doberman. He seems to be learning quickly on mostly everything (sit, paw, come, laydown) but not eating the other dogs food and of course the need to bite (teething). We were given food from Petsmart that they indicated was meant for large dog breeds, but I am wondering what everyone recommends for this pup, he has decided that he really does not like it and I want to make sure that he eats well. Also, we have gotten him teething bones, chew toys, etc, but our arms, hands, feet, legs all seem to be his preference. We ran into a BullMastiff owner in the neighborhood who said that you CANNOT under any circumstances give him ice for his teeth as it causes a gas build up in their bellies and they can die (I have not been able to find anything about that anywhere while googling)...any suggestions would be most appreciated.
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
Hi & Welcome!

No ice??? never heard that one. Denna LOVES ice. I take a plastic tub (about the size of a cool whip container), put a handful of berries in it, cover with water and freeze... makes for a nice, BIG ice chunk - perfect for summertime chewing fun.

A lot of people here like frozen wet washcloths for teething puppies.

We just redirected to toys a LOT.
That and any time a tooth touched a human, a loud, high-pitched "YIPE" (think like a fellow puppy would make)... and when the puppy stopped to take a breath and assess the 'yipe'... stuff mouth with approved chew toy - then make a BIG DEAL about how smart that puppy is for biting on the approved item...
Denna finally gave up trying to use her mouth on people when she was about 8 months old... so, be prepared to repeat yourself, a LOT. It does get better, but the puppy will need reminding often (in a calm, confident manner).

We do play tug with our dogs... as long as the human controls the game, and no one pulls to hard (especially with baby teeth), it's a great way to keep the puppy's mouth engaged and NOT on the human. :)

For food... check out what you're feeding on Dog Food Reviews and Ratings | Dog Food Advisor. 4 & 5 stars are good stuff.
You also want to keep calcium and phosphorus levels low, to make sure bones and joints grow at the same, slooooow pace, together. Ca < 1.5%, Ph < 1.2% is best.
The other concern with many mastiffs, is an allergy to chicken. So, if you see any health issues (itchy skin, yeasty ears, etc.) - you may need to find a chicken-free food.

And... if you have any pictures - of the puppy and the rest of your 'pack' - we'd LOVE to see them!
 

Romartin

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Thank you soo much for the information, DennasMom. Here is a picture of ShellyBear (The Collie/Lab Mix) and Jameson. We do have lots of chew toys for him and I am going to try the ice. I soo think that it would help with the teething. I have been doing LOTS of yelping each time he goes after my body parts! I have actually taken some of his chew toys and put them into the freezer so they are nice and cold for him to chew on.
 

Bailey's Mom

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:welcomesign:We used frozen wet wash cloths and some toys that you can freeze and then chew. I was told by vet and others that we shouldn't play tug because you can set the pup up for lifelong dental issues. So we waited until all her adult teeth were in. Now tug is her favourite game.

Oh, try and find and keep his baby teeth, we have six in a little treasure chest, they are so precious.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Welcome aboard and congrats on your new family member~ ShellyBear and Jameson are quite the lookers!

The following tips/suggestions are based on my experience as a dog mommy, forum member*s posts and volunteering at an animal shelter for a year.

*CRATE THE PUP

You want to crate train the pup. Make sure you have a blanket, stuffed animal (about their size) and white noise (ticking clock or ipod with soft music) so the pup can sleep. The pup is used to cuddling with siblings.

Make the crate the pup*s happy place to go to when he wants to sleep, decompress or just hang out.

*SECURE THE PUP NEAR THE FAMILY

You want to keep the pup in a room with a family member. Mastiffs need to be near their family members.

*FOOD

Find out what kind of food the shelter/rescue/breeder was feeding the pup and continue to feed it to the pup until you transition to a newer food because most shelters/rescues/breeders use the cheapest food, meaning it is not very good for the pup.

Slow transition to the new food is as follows to prevent diarrhea. If at any time during the transition, the pup has diarrhea return to previous amounts of food per feeding. If you are switching flavors made by the same manufacturer, you should not have to do a slow transition.

Amount per feeding:

Day 1-4 ¾ cup of old food and ¼ cup of new food.

Day 5-9 ½ cup of old food and ½ cup of new food.

Day 10-14 ¾ cup of new food and ¼ cup of old food

Day 15 Start 100% of new food

Generally, mastiffs are allergic to grain and chicken found in kibble. You can check www.dogfoodadvisor.com for dog food ratings and customer feedback. Mastiff puppies should eat Large Breed adult food because puppy food has too much calcium which causes fast growth. Slow and steady growth for a healthy mastiff. Protein in the food is not an issue unless the pup has kidney issues.


Check out Acana Regionals, Wellness Core, Earthborn Holistics, Fromm*s or Taste of the Wild. Chewy.com is a great place to order dog food and they offer free shipping.

You may want to check out the raw diet for your pup. Raw diet can be fed to young pups. Check out the sub forum on raw diet that has a wealth of information. It is not recommended to feed the pup kibble (one with grains) and raw food. Do your research re: raw diet and form your own opinion.

*PUP NOT EATING WHEN YOU FIRST BRING THEM HOME

They are not used to their new environment and this is a natural behavior. Take the pup to a quiet place at meal times and sit and hand feed the pup. This will help the pup to eat when they are placed in a calm atmosphere, help you to bond with the pup and help the pup establish trust with you. As they become settled, they will naturally follow your routine.

*PROTECT THE PUP FROM DISEASE

Keep the pup in your yard and place newspapers down where they will walk on the ground. Keep the pup away from dog areas unless they have had their 2nd round of shots, 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] round of shots is best so they will have some immunity to the infectious diseases, i.e. Parvo. This is very important!

*HOUSE TRAINING YOUR PUP

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/house-training-your-puppy

*SOCIALIZE, SOCIALIZE AND SOCIALIZE SOME MORE

Socialize after they*ve had at least 2 round of shots preferably 3 rounds of shots to be safe. Prior to the 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] or 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] round of shots, keep the pup in your own yard. If that is not possible, bring newspapers with you for the pup to walk on. Avoid dog parks and areas with a heavy traffic of animals.

Socialization can be the human park while the pup is on leash, riding in the car, sitting at the park or shopping center/mall, etc.

Tell strangers and strangers with pups “no touch, no talk, no look” at your pup as they approach. Bring your pup to sit while they approach. Have your pup approach the strangers and allow the pup to sniff them. Have a calm, controlled meeting. This shows your pup the correct way to greet strangers and other pups.

*TRAINING YOUR PUP

Start basic commands and reward with motivational treats (fav food or fav toy). Train for about 5 minutes per day and slowly increase the training time. Teach one command at a time. Once they master one command, move onto another command.


Number one command is sit. Teach the pup to sit, by placing a treat in front of his head and move it to the back causing him to sit to get the treat. When the pup sits, tell them good sit and give them the treat.

Second command should be "focus/look" This will help you tremendously when the pup is over 100 lbs. Put the pup into sit. With a treat in your hand (let the pup smell it), put the treat up to your eyes and tell the pup to look or focus. They may only do this for about 1-2 seconds. As soon as they look at your eyes, reward them. Generally, mastiffs do not like to look anyone in the eyes for long because that means a challenge to them.

Other commands are "down/off", "leave it," "wait" (short pause), "stay" (pausing until you release), drop it and "quiet/calm".

When you are training and when the pup does not do as you ask, then tell him “no” in a calm, stern voice and redirect back to the command. The only time a stern and loud NO should be used is when they are doing something that can cause harm to themselves or others.


Praise is the most powerful tool you have and the dog WANTS to please you. Show them clearly what you want, notice and praise when they comply, and learning goes much faster and pleasant for you both.

Mastiffs can be extremely stubborn and if you get frustrated with them, they will shut down and stop listening to you. Mastiffs do not do well with yelling or hitting. Hitting can result in some unwanted mastiff behavior meaning fear aggression, which equals biting.

*LEASH TRAINING

Have the wear the leash around the house to get used to it. Once they are used to the leash around their neck, then you can start the leash training. Have lots of motivational rewards on hand while doing the training. Consistency and patience is key.

If the dog pulls, do not walk until they stop and turn to look at you, then thank them with a motivational reward and start walking again. Tell him it's ok to walk by you start walking. When you have to stop, tell him stop or wait and tell him sit. Titan knows that when we are walking and I say, "wait," he has to stop and sit and wait for me to begin walking again. Requires a lot of consistent training and patience. Do this inside the house and then move to outside.

If they nip at you because they want to play, do the same. Stop, sit and wait. Reward the dog with motivational reward when they do the commands.


*PUPPY BITING/NIPPING/AROUND CHILDREN

Puppies will chew/bite anything they can find unless you re-direct the chewing/biting. Provide frozen washcloths or small towels (make sure the cloths are big enough the pup cannot swallow them), ice cubes with treats frozen in the middle, nylabones, ropes, deer antlers, Kongs with frozen yogurt so they can chew to their heart*s desire. Some people use boxes, be aware that the pup will continue to chew all boxes.

If you puppy is biting/nipping, then try the following. This behavior can sometimes take a lot of patience and consistency in training.

They bite and growl because that is how they played with their siblings.
When they bite, tell them “OW” in a high-pitched voice and “NO” in a stern, calm voice. NEVER HIT OR YELL AT A MASTIFF. Hitting can lead to fear aggression and yelling causes the pup to shut down on you and ignore you.

When the pup stops biting, tell them to sit and re-direct to one of the chew toys.

**Do not allow children and pup on the floor together. Pup will see them as playmates and nip at them. Picture the pup playing with their siblings.

Keep the pup on leash while the children are on the floor so you can have control of the pup. Pup and children should not be allowed to play alone.

Have the children hand fed the pup and help with training, i.e. teach the pup to sit, stay and come. This helps the pup to see them as non-playmates but as people in authority. These activities are great bonding exercises.

*EXERCISE

Puppies can exercise with natural movements and free play like running, stretching, playing on soft surfaces (grass and dirt). This type of exercise is actually healthy and good for their developing bodies but they do need to be able to pace themselves.

Structured exercise/play on hard surfaces and where they don't have they ability to pace themselves is where you need to be very careful. This type of exercise could harm the pup*s joints and bones. Puppies should not do any excessive exercise, i.e. walking, jumping, running and navigate stairs for the first 12 months to avoid injury.

Stairs should be maneuvered while on leash (even in the house) especially going down the stairs. Stairs should have carpet or rubber matting to give the pup traction. Mastiffs should be assisted up and down stairs until they are about age 12 months to prevent injury.

Most mastiffs can be very lazy but they still need to exercise. Generally, the amount of time to exercise is 5 minutes per each month of age.

*YOUR PUP AND HEAT (NOT THE FEMALE HEAT)

Remember, mastiffs do not tolerate heat. In the heat, reduce walk/exercise times. Have clean water available at all times. I freeze towels to either place on Titan or put on the floor for him to lie on in the summer to cool him off. Buy a kiddies* pool for the pup to play in to keep cool.

*DE-SEXING YOUR PUP

Mastiffs should not be neutered/spayed until 18 months to 2 years. NO MATTER what the vet says. Early neutering can cause growth problems and health issues. **Remember, you must be a very responsible dog owner to not neuter your pet to prevent unwanted pregnancies.**


Health Issues Linked to Spaying and Neutering Dogs


Enjoy your baby! Have lots of patience! The pup will reward you with love and loyalty!
 

Romartin

New Member
Musicdeb. . . you are a lifesaver!

You have answered sooo many of my questions. It has been so long since I had a puppy (over 30 years) and because we got this one without me being able to do much research it has been quite overwhelming. I'm so glad to know that some of the things that came back to me are the right things to do as well as the all of the other suggestions that you have given me! It should make this challenge so much easier. I do have to say that Shelly is helping me ALOT!!! Today Jameson went on his first walk (just down the a couple of houses). He did just what I had hoped that he would do and he followed Shelly's lead and really seemed to enjoy himself! In the two weeks that we have had him, he has learned to sit, give paw and lay down. I completely forgot about the focus/look. Today on the walk I did use the "heel" with Shelly and Jameson tried to stay in line, but ah, to be a puppy!!!!
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Your welcome, Romartin. The older pups usually are great trainers for the young pups. Give Shelly a great big hug for being your little helper! :)
 
I to own bull/mastiff n was also advised on no ice or only giving room temp because of tummy pain I have switched my 7 month old to PC lamb n brown rice fruit n veggies lg breed and Diego's amazing 70lbs no fat, n hoping no hip joint problems since no longer puppy food , chicken with my guy was no good