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musicdeb

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Ok, drastic measures here but here it goes. Boil him some hamburger, chicken or turkey and add boiled white rice to the mix with 1 tablespoon of pumpkin (not the pie filling). Feed him this for 4-5 days, this is re-setting his system.

After 4-5 days, slowly introduce the dry food with plain yogurt. Maybe give him 1/4 cup of dry food with 2 tablespoons of plain yogurt.

I'm surprised the vet said he was healthy. Another reason is that he is training you to hand feed him.

Try that and let me know how it goes.
 

Finetuned

Member
I actually took him back to mom and dad today. He started eating the minute he saw them and was feeding off of mom again. I think its best if the breeders hold onto him for a couple more days as he is still quite young at 7 weeks. Going to be checking up on him daily and trying out a new routine when I get him back.

In any case when I get him back and he is still not eating, I will try your formula.

Thanks so much musicdeb, shows you really care.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
I'm glad you took him back to his parents for a little bit longer.

Please keep us posted on the little guy.
 

Finetuned

Member
After taking him back to his parents and then bringing him home again, Bowser is doing great. He's eating, playing, pooping and peeing like a champ. I'm not quite sure how big he is suppose to be at this stage and not even sure how much I should feed him. He seems to eat about 1 1/2 cups of food a day at 8 weeks. I can feel his ribs quite easily but he doesn't seem to be too skinny, a good figure. Most importantly he is playing with enthusiasm and great energy so I believe he is healthy. Bowser is so attentive and obediant at 8 weeks. He understands go pee, come here and no. Sometimes he gets so excited while playing that he won't listen to no immediate but after a few times he'll stop what he is doing.

At his last weigh in which was about a week ago he weighed 11.7lbs. I feel he has gained a few lbs since and will have another weight check next week. Will keep you guys posted on his weight but generally how much do cane corsos weigh at 8 weeks?
 

khplaw

Well-Known Member
These are sensitive gentle giants. I am loathe to admit that for the first couple of outings I carried her everywhere. She met people but not other dogs, other than our Boston Terriers. She came with her tail done and her ears done (my choice) and we got her at 11 weeks. Since she was meant to be my service dog from the very beginning, I set up a little "nest" with a baby gate next to my side of the bed, so when she made noises I could monitor. I couldn't bear to crate her over night, and wanted to be sure to catch all her potty moments before they became accidents. I was awakened every morning by a little puppy whine and feet reaching up the side of the bed (our bed is ridiculously tall). Gotta tell ya, puppy breath is a wonderful wake up call!

I started working with her on the basic commands, and she learned very quickly. Look, sit,stay, over, leave it, come here (although we seem to forget that every once in awhile), crawl, heel, stop/sit, wait...be patient. I used the CGC test as a guide as to what she would HAVE to know to pass the test. She had the CGC test down pat at 5 months, but I waited to test her until she was older. Their little personalities change as you go along and I felt it was best to proof my training with an obedience class. She did beginning and intermediate level obedience almost perfectly.

The one thing to be aware of is Alpha status. If you issue a command, make sure you get performance. They learn really quickly but like all children they will push your limits. She would act up every once in awhile. Don't yell! I made that mistake once and only once; she practically withered before my very eyes. Your corso must acknowledge that you are Alpha and no one else. You set up the commands and the routine and everyone else has to follow your lead. They are quite astute at measuring people up as a breed. They will "test growl" at a person looking for your reaction so don't over react! If you have done your job properly your dog should look to you for guidance when they are unsure and their confidence builds exponentially when they get a grip on the fact that you are a team, but that you are their guide.

We go out every day to the park, through town, anywhere we want. She does wear a vest because she is my service dog (I have MS with balance and motion issues). We go into coffee shops, bakeries, restaurants, Walmart, Home Depot, Macys, Nordstrom, the movies, Albertsons; pretty much anywhere. I had a guy who I did not recognize roll down his truck window and yelled "Hi Sophie" while he was stopped at the traffic light. The master baker at the Danish bakery has learned out walking pattern, and generally takes his coffee al fresco with a treat for Sophie in his lap! There were issues at first, and I got great feedback from several owners on this forum and it was all the same idea; go slowly. She wore a service dog in training patch until she passed the CGC, and no one has even asked me.

I used to be a horse trainer, and then went to law school, then discoverd the MS and my new limitations. Scary stuff when you are used to being atheletic and independent. This lovely young corso gave me my confidence in myself back, knowing that I have someone with no agenda, no grudges held, nothing but love, obedience and a protective nature. She is also a good snuggler! She will "breathe my breath" every morning, ostensibly to ensure I am alright, which is really pretty cool!

My husband and son want to know why I put so much time into her, rain or shine, and my response is that if you do it properly and patiently the first time, you develop not just a good dog, but a constant companion who WANTS to please you, WANTS to be with you. Good luck and you should always feel free to use the wisdom of the corso owners on this message board.
 

Finetuned

Member
Wow I got to say that was a very inspiring and motivating message. I value what you have with your corso and want the same thing with mine. He is already developing a big personality at such a young age and I'm just trying to reflect on what I should do in order to raise him properly. Sometimes I think about it too much and all the unknowns can be a little overwhelming but in the end I think to myself how would God raise me (I'm deeply religious). So in the end I basically tell myself patience, understanding, and love. Everything else will just come naturally.

Being around animals I almost discover an instinctual but hidden nature that emphatizes and communicates with my corso on the most primal level. Just little glances and nods of the head have so much meaning, sometimes more than a whole conversation that I can hold with someone else. I feel like as long as Bowser and I are able to understand each other, we will be the best of companions.

As far as being an Alpha male, I find a thin balance between being too domineering and strict and babying your corso too much. I want to give Bowser a good life so I give him attention anytime I can, always concerned about his needs, making sure he is healthy and happy. But I have also learned from past experience that dogs can get spoiled just like children. Without firm direction, and even acquiesing to what your pup wants rather than what you want, the dog can grow up to be very self-willed. This is my lesson with my past dog and I am not going to repeat the same mistake here. I find it better for me and the dog that you act out of your will and your desire and that the dog will naturally and happily be in that subordinate role, always attentive of you and what you are doing.

Also thank you for bringing up your illness, it takes a lot of courage and confidence to be so open about your weaknesses. I too have do deal with certain health issues, although not MS, I am diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I could write you a book about my illness, my perception towards it, how its affected me and changed my life but I'll spare you the details. But from one afflicted to another, I encourage you to be strong and to live life the way you want.

What would be a good age to enroll Bowser into an puppy training/obediance class? I'd love to have Bowser become a therapy dog and take him around the hospitals and convalescent homes. Its a wonder what this dog has done for me and I just want to share that with others.
 

khplaw

Well-Known Member
You will find a naturally kindred spirit in your Bowser. Sometimes I worry about discussing my illness, but if it helps someone else to understand, then so be it. I have given up alot but I have gained much too. Yes, I agree that spoiling them is also an issue, but that is on an ad hoc basis how to deal with that. I believe in the concept of compromise, but when you are faced with a 130 pound dog who wants something other than what you want. that is not the time to do so. CONSISTENCY and POSItIVITY. Creativity also helps. I haven't raised my voice more than a couple of times directed to Sophie and when you need to it is effective in getting her attention. Name and command, name and command; same routine as much as you can so that the pup begins to know what to expect. In fact, I don't think the word BAD was used in her direction more than once thus far.

I trained Sophie by myself because I have particular needs of her. Plus, I really am wary of someone else trying to take control, no matter how helpfully. These really are one person dogs/one family dogs. There is a book available online widely touted as the bible for Corso. It is available for download and cheaply too. It is Corso by Elizabeth Gates I believe. There is also a set of books called Teamwork I and II which gives you step by step instructions on how to train very methodically, in the animals time and to your own needs. The first is a must read because it tells you the history, and what differentiates this breed from all the others. Useful information when needing to know what they are capable of and likely to do. Some things are just hard wired; I believe someone posted on here about their dogs first time with sheep. You have to train sequentially; one thing on top of the other. Learn sit, then stay, then combine to sit/stay and so on. You are dealing with what is essentially a child's brain, mine reminds me of my son when he was 6. If you are asking something of your dog, and you are not getting it, step back and look at your steps and what you might be missing. It is usually something you have skipped or forgotten ( yes, really! ). It was a lilttle easier for me having done horses for so long. When you can control something that outweighs you 100 to 1, and all you have is your brain and your balance, you learn to read your animal and tailor your cues.

Socialization is VITAL! Sophie was attached at the hip, no matter where I went. I cannot remember the last time I peed without an audience (TMI?) Your dog WILL pick up on your need for it and it's need for you. I trained with treats for a little while, and when she appreciated pets, stopped the treats except for new things or things she worked really hard at. I think at 5 months I took her to a local classic car show. Noise, people, kids, loose dogs, in her vest. It was interesting to see the change in her because while she was normally attentive, she spent at least half her time making eye contract with me for guidance. I had so many people ask me what she was, who trained her, can I pet her, etc. Oh and people will want to talk about your dog. Expect questions. When people ask to pet Sophie, I do not assume that it will be OK with HER. I tell people that she is WORKING (so it says on the vest as well) and that she may not want to be distracted. Better than no go away, or making her feel uncomfortable. We have been to every event we can find, just walking through checking stuff out. THAT is good socialization. Being able to interact with other dogs is important as well. We have a couple of good friends whose dogs are Sophies friends as well.

I waited until Sophie was older to put her in an obedience class. She could essentially do everything off leash and very reliably so Ifelt it was time to make sure. People kept asking why she was there, and I told them I wanted her to be. Even with a 175 pound very aggressive Rottweiller in the class, who frankly scared ME, she did really well. I asked the owner of the Rott its age, etc., and it was immediately apparent what the problem was. The owner didn't work with or talk to the dog. When I mentioned that his dog was a little scary, he laughed at me and said "You are afraid of my dog and you own and have trained a CORSO?"

There is so much more I could tell you, but I am tired. If you would like to chat on the phone I am open to that. PM me with your number and I will give you a call or we can arrange a time. These are not necessarily difficult dogs, but like everything I have read about them, it always says these are not dogs for timid owners or first time dog owners. There is a reason for that!
 

Finetuned

Member
Like you I want to train Bowser myself and be the center of his world. Its really that bond that is important. Bowser is still a pup at 8 weeks old but he looks to me for guidance in situations he is not to sure of. For example when I take him to the front yard, a new environment for him, he is always looking where I am and coming when called. I feel its off to a good start, but like you said consistency and patience will make the difference.

One of my main concerns at this moment is to socialize Bowser with people and other dogs. I am a student so I have plenty of time to take him out to the beach, hiking, and around the city. He seems to be quite brave for a pup, perhaps its because he is a corso. Not generally scared of foreign objects as my last dog was.

I have been looking at books regarding Cane Corsos and have come across the book you mentioned by Elizabeth Gates. It seems to be the only book written in English on Cane Corsos. I love to read but haven't read too many e-books, the actual book costs over $140 dollars and would be quite an investment. I also ordered some books from Cesar Milan and Patricia Cromwell? (I believe that is how her name is spelled). Should be interesting reading on this subject. I'm naturally interested in the behavior of human beings and why we do what we do so to understand it in terms of dogs could perhaps be insightful to our nature.

I would love to talk to you sometime and gain greater insight into raising a Cane Corso. What part of Central California do you stay? Not sure how far you are from LA but it would be great if Bowser could make more friends to socialize and play with. He already has his mom and dad which he will see on occassions but I'd really like to bring him around other dogs that are properly trained.

BTW have you ever looked into electromagnetic therapy? It is quite effective in stimulating nerve cells and could possibly help with MS. I haven't looked much into it myself but just a gut feeling.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Great news that Bowser is doing so much better and on the road to becoming a very healthy family member!
 

khplaw

Well-Known Member
Check to see if the book is on Amazon and if it is downloadable via Kindle. Amazon actually provides the Kindle program free and to your computer. If you are a student I bet you have a laptop or smartphone. Very cost effective.. Check It out. I a not fond of CM because of some of the things he advocates. Ms. Cromwell; is she the British woman?
 

echo

Member
We got our puppy 2 weeks ago right before he turned 8 weeks. he didn't eat the first 2 days and I was really worried but I just offered his food at his meal times and if he didn't eat it within 45mins I took it and he didn't eat until next meal time. The third day he ate it all and has been eating ever since. also you should have his ears cropped as soon as possible, its too late for tail docking thats something the breeder should have done right after birth. we just did our little guys ears this past tuesday, its a lot more work then I was expecting.
 

Finetuned

Member
Yea Bowser is eating just fine now, transitioned from wet kibbles to dry kibbles but he seems to only eat out of my hand. He'll barely touch the food if it is just in a bowl. Its cute and all at this age but I can't imagine hand feeding him when he gets to be 100lbs.

I seem to have another issue on my hands and hopefully someone can chime in to give me some advice on this matter. Bowser is only about 8-9 weeks old but since we have been playing with his toys, he has basically associated my hand with a chew toy. At any opportunity he gets he will pounce on my hand and bite onto it not letting go, thinking its a rope. I've chastised him with No and have also put him in his crate when he gets too excited but none of it seem to be working. Bowser seems to understand No but when he is hyper, saying No only exacerbates the problem. I know he is just a baby and wanting to play but he plays quite aggressively, growling and yelping at such a young age. I'm concerned this may be an early sign of aggression and if he is not properly trained and obediant, it may get out of control pretty fast.

He also sometimes growls when my family members pick him up, not sure if its letting us know that its a sign of discomfort but he seems to be a very willful puppy. During the middle of his play and when he is focused on something and we have to pick him up to move him from inside to outside or one room to another, he may growl a little and give a little snap. His breeders said that his dad was a very calm puppy so this behavior is not within his genes. I wonder if it is that I am not providing the right type of discipline. I'm consistent with what I allow and what I don't allow and he seems to know some boundaries. But again when he gets overly-excited, all things go out the window the the little guy is just in no bars mode.

Is there something I could do to try to correct this behavior at an early age? I do enjoy playing with him but I've lessened the intensity of play with his toys and have also lessened the frequency, don't want him always getting overexcited and further exacerbating the problem. I tell him No consistently but what do I do when he doesn't respond? My only other option is to crate him but I'm not sure he knows why he is being crated, he is just naturally playing as a pup would. Some advice would be greatly appreciated, Many thanks!
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
PUPPY BITING/NIPPING/AROUND CHILDREN

Puppies will chew/bite anything they can find unless you re-direct the chewing/biting. Provide frozen washcloths or small towels, nylabones, ropes, deer antlers, Kongs with frozen yogurt so they can chew to their heart*s desire. Some people use boxes, be aware that the pup will continue to chew all boxes.

If you puppy is biting/nipping, then try the following. This behavior can sometimes take a lot of patience and consistency in training.

They bite and growl because that is how they played with their siblings.
When they bite, tell them “OW” in a high-pitched voice and “NO” in a stern, calm voice. NEVER HIT OR YELL AT A MASTIFF. Hitting can lead to fear aggression and yelling caused the pup to shut down on you and ignore you.

When the pup stops biting, tell them to sit and re-direct to one of the chew toys.

**Do not allow children and pup on the floor together. Pup will see them as playmates and nip at them. Picture the pup playing with their siblings.

Keep the pup on leash while the children are on the floor so you can have control of the pup. Pup and children should not be allowed to play alone.

Have the children hand fed the pup and help with training, i.e. teach the pup to sit, stay and come. This helps the pup to see them as non-playmates but as people in authority. These activities are great bonding exercises.

Growling can be normal for a puppy because that's how they communicated with siblings. To this day, Titan growls when he plays with me. Learn the difference of a play growl and serious growl by the pup's body language. You will learn his body language as he matures.

When training a dog, hearing the word "no" a lot can desensitize the pup to the word. Only use a firm, stern "no" when it's a life or death situation, this way they know it means business. When training a pup, use a firm, calm "no no" when they need to learn in their training. Use the firm, stern "no!" when he's out of control biting and not listening.


 
Here are a couple of hopefully helpful tips for you, they always worked for me. When you start potty training If he /she pees or poops In the house get a thick newspaper roll It as tight as you can, then hit yourself In the head because you failed your dog. When
a puppy wakes up they go out to do there business same for eating or drinking or playing. And when they go make it a party yea good boy/girl stroke there head and back let them know that was great. As for teething 2-3 old wash rags soak them with water then put them in the freezer, Now you have a dog teething ring. When the puppy chews on something there not supposed to say NO and then give them what they are allowed to chew on and again make it a party Yea good dog. Dogs want to please there owners, There is no such thing as a bad dog just a bad owner. Don't complain train, the more time you put in the better the results. If you don't know ask somebody will help, and everybody needs help from time to time. As far a treat training, I am not a fan if you want to walk around with treats for the rest of your life to motivate your dog that's your decision. Praise is harder for you to do but well worth the outcome. No food motivated just a deep desire to please, don't get me wrong Leo gets his fair share of treats just not while we train. Leo is now Canine good citizen and agility and obedience trained. He has so much fun at off leash dog parks and when we go for walks in the pet stores he actually has friends there. Bring your puppy everywhere you can let him see and hear everything let the worlds noises be normal to him/her then he/she will not get startled when a garbage truck goes by, he/she will just look at it to see that's it is normal and go about the day, and if its not normal then the best part is you have a 125 pound monster that loves you and will defend you.