friendly guard dog

[kristen b.]

So i was reading another thread that had was what i thought an individual who was being mis understood. THe whole thing was over how people prefer their dog. I was inclined to agree with the person getting "dogged" for having a more laxed view. I own a boerboel a dog bred to guard. I expect my lil lady to be ok with kids and friendly passer bys petting her or saying hi. I expect her to know the difference between good people and bad people. There were so many people saying why would i want my dog to be ok with kids and people coming up to my guard dog. Yes my dog should guard but on the other hand they are a member of society and should act as such. I dont understand why people would want a dog that wants nothing to do with anything but the owner. I feel a well balanced dog should be able to descern good fom bad and when they cant they should look to you the owner. Am i wrong should all guard dogs be highly trained robots who want to eliminate anything that moves to close to him. I dont expect a labrador mentality but i think there ir some middle ground and a well trained guard dog will be able to fit in that middle ground. Just sayin.

 

[AKBull]

Is yours a well trained guard dog?

 

[joshuagough]

There can be a middle ground with any breed of dog if you take the time to work with them.

Some folks only want a dog that only interacts with the owner, a guard dog could be given food with poison to kill the dog.. then the person breaks in to whatever the dog was guarding. If the dog is trained only to respond to the owner this eliminates this situation, theses dogs are well beyond any typical owner but they do have their place.

It's all in your expectation of your dog. He/She could be at the extreme of either end.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Guard dogs are meant to do that, guard. For most people this is their home or person. When I got my corsi I wanted a breed that I can take out in public but that has no real interest in greeting random strangers, I don't require it and if I had wanted it I would have gotten a lab as opposed to the breed I did. That being said a correct temperament in any of the breeds (unless we are talking a fila or primative) is aloof but stable. No where would I think a stable dog is going off attacking or lunging at random people or kids when out in public. I have both ends of the spectrum in my home, corsi that like most people and ones that don't give a rats a$$ for anyone but our family. Both can be taken out in public and know they are to behave with manners whether they like people or not. If I have my dogs that aren't into strangers and people go to pet the dog I block them and explain that this particular corso doesn't really like being pet by strangers, if I have my friendlier ones and they ask and show sense on how to properly greet a dog then I will have no problem with them petting my dog. That being said my dogs whether it is the ones that like strangers or don't know the difference between a child that wanders up to pet them and an adult that knows better. I think the biggest issue is people don't read the standard for their breed and understand what the true temperament is, they see a dog the like the look of it but want it to behave contrary to its nature. Most people also don't seem to understand "aloof or discerning of strangers" or crap stability either at this point so are surprised when their dog reacts the way it is supposed to in regards to suspicious things.

 

[kristen b.]

I am working on her being well trained. I just saw a bunch of posts about guard dogs should guard being friendly is unacceptable. I have only ever owned pits witch is not meant to guard so i am still learning also i guess i just dont understand some people. They just seemed so adimant about bred to guard that is what it should do. What i want to know is is it still a good dog if it also is friendly " to an extent"

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

I got a feeling GDT is going to love this one!

 

[kristen b.]

Thanx black shadow. This makes a lot of since to me.

 

[Geisthexe]

My Presas & Malinois are trained in Protection. They guard my home like no ones business. I can take them out in the public but I don't allow people to come up and touch them. The only ones that are allowed to touch my dogs are kids ONLY under the age of 11 or about. From teenager to adult I don't care to have them touch my dogs.
I can walk my thru society but society isn't who I purchased my dogs for. They are mine and that's why I have them.

As far as guard dog so many folks believe bc they purchase a Mollossars that they will protect there home. This has been disproven time and time again. I myself have proven folks wrong bc since I decoy I have literally broke into there home w/o the dogs doing a thing but bark. Yes bark is great bc it discourages most common criminals.
If you want a good guard dog you must do the following
- great obedience
- find a good knowledgeable trainer
- practice with the trainer in bite work and in guard tactics

Deb V


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[kristen b.]

I recently found a trainer with knowledge of boerboels where beezle will be trained the bark and hold and things of that nature. I guess since this is my first i dont see the problem with people touching my dog. I am ok with her being aloof and would prefer it as opposed to her wanting meet everyone she comes across. Why though do some not want anyone going near your pup. Is it personal preference or the dogs preference

 

[ruthcatrin]

So i was reading another thread that had was what i thought an individual who was being mis understood. THe whole thing was over how people prefer their dog. I was inclined to agree with the person getting "dogged" for having a more laxed view. I own a boerboel a dog bred to guard. I expect my lil lady to be ok with kids and friendly passer bys petting her or saying hi. I expect her to know the difference between good people and bad people. There were so many people saying why would i want my dog to be ok with kids and people coming up to my guard dog. Yes my dog should guard but on the other hand they are a member of society and should act as such. I dont understand why people would want a dog that wants nothing to do with anything but the owner. I feel a well balanced dog should be able to descern good fom bad and when they cant they should look to you the owner. Am i wrong should all guard dogs be highly trained robots who want to eliminate anything that moves to close to him. I dont expect a labrador mentality but i think there ir some middle ground and a well trained guard dog will be able to fit in that middle ground. Just sayin.

If you were reading the thread I think you were reading you need to read the whole thread. We do not expect our dogs to act like Labs, nor do we expect our dogs to act like automons. We expect them to act with in the standards for the breeds. Many of the breeds on here are not expected to seek out attention from strangers, they are not expected to be happy accepting attention from strangers. We do expect them to, with training and socialization, to accept attention from strangers with the approval of their owner (unless you're talking about Fila's, in which case they should NOT accept attention from strangers period), which generally includes children who don't know better. If you don't want a dog that isn't happy accepting attention from strangers don't get a dog from one of those breeds, its that simple.

 

[kristen b.]

All i am saying is . Is it so bad if your guard dog likes people. Not like a lab not one that seeks it out so much as is just indefferent. Is it the owner or the dog that wants the dog to not want strangers around good or bad.
Maybe i am not being clear.

 

[ruthcatrin]

indifferent does not equal "likes people" sorry

 

[Geisthexe]

I recently found a trainer with knowledge of boerboels where beezle will be trained the bark and hold and things of that nature. I guess since this is my first i dont see the problem with people touching my dog. I am ok with her being aloof and would prefer it as opposed to her wanting meet everyone she comes across. Why though do some not want anyone going near your pup. Is it personal preference or the dogs preference

Mine is a personal preference .. Dogs do not need socialization bc it's not what they do. We think they need it, we expect it and we need it as humans.

I got my dogs for me .. Period if someone wants a dog then they need to get one to pet. JMO


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[DMikeM]

Welcome Kristen and great to see another Boerboel owner here. What you expect of your BB is not out of character for the breed. It is exactly how they were developed. To be a farmers dog. The protector of the farm family and a full working breed capable of interacting with other people and animals with no special training needed. You train this breed to enhance those inherited instincts. I may have only 10 months (almost) with the breed but I have years of research on them behind that. Boerboel is so far one of the most unique of the guardian breeds and very much like the old Molosser Assyrian mastiffs where all the mastiffs seem to originate. I can take Jade out in public where I work at a Ski resort where there can be over a thousand people in about an acre sized area. She does not panic nor does she become aggressive and I allow people to touch and pet her all the time. When she is home in her yard she will guard and prevent intruders with a posture and demeanor like a dog that has never seen another human before. Don't get discouraged this dog should do exactly what you expect it to do.

 

[Geisthexe]

All i am saying is . Is it so bad if your guard dog likes people. Not like a lab not one that seeks it out so much as is just indefferent. Is it the owner or the dog that wants the dog to not want strangers around good or bad.
Maybe i am not being clear.

It's not bad but you need to know when to have them stop. Taking control of the length of being touched.
Not all labs are what you speaking about either. A good hunting Lab is not as human friendly as you might think. They are high driven dogs that want to work.

About your trainer is he a Schutzhund trainer?


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[Duetsche_Doggen]

So i was reading another thread that had was what i thought an individual who was being mis understood. THe whole thing was over how people prefer their dog. I was inclined to agree with the person getting "dogged" for having a more laxed view. I own a boerboel a dog bred to guard. I expect my lil lady to be ok with kids and friendly passer bys petting her or saying hi. I expect her to know the difference between good people and bad people. There were so many people saying why would i want my dog to be ok with kids and people coming up to my guard dog. Yes my dog should guard but on the other hand they are a member of society and should act as such. I dont understand why people would want a dog that wants nothing to do with anything but the owner. I feel a well balanced dog should be able to descern good fom bad and when they cant they should look to you the owner. Am i wrong should all guard dogs be highly trained robots who want to eliminate anything that moves to close to him. I dont expect a labrador mentality but i think there ir some middle ground and a well trained guard dog will be able to fit in that middle ground. Just sayin.

What do you mean by guard?

When people get guardian breeds like Filas, Neos, CAO's TMs and expect them to behave like a Labrador Retriever. Or you get breeders who are purposely breeding "gentle giants" with a breed that was specifically bred to guard, that's a problem IMO. We have ruined and still continue to ruin far too many "guarding" breeds trying to "civilize" them in modern society. Many of the breeds now were very formidable guardians who would actually guard, a trait which was highly prized back then. Now society want's everything "sweet" "gentle" or "cuddly" Mainstream media has twisted the truths and instigating these fairy dog tales. As a guardian breed I want a breed that will guard and defend. Not one that "probably" or "looks" like it would. If the owner is knowledgeable about the breed they should be able to determine their dogs "limitations" as far as what they expect. However they do recognize what their breed is.

 

[Tiger12490]

Kronos doesn't really like people anyone can pet him if "make" him but he will not ask for atyention ...he's aloof just how I like NY guard dogs...Athena would attack girl scouts

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[DMikeM]

Just FYI. Go to any Boerboel website and you can see that what Kristen is asking is not out of line for the Boerboel.
Example: http://www.southerncrossboerboels.com/BreedInfo.html

Boerboels are intelligent, reliable, and obedient, with a strong watchdog instinct. They are self-assured and fearless, but responsive to the needs of the family. The Boerboel was specifically bred to be protective without being aggressive. They are loving, playful, even-tempered, athletic and intelligent. At the same time, they have strong protective instincts. It is a unique combination which blends into an overall wonderful character. Boerboels are very confident. Their sense of self-assurance can present some challenges to training at times. The more you bond with your Boerboel, the more he will want to please and protect you.​

A Boerboel in your home instinctively becomes the family pet. They especially bond to children - usually deciding that the smallest child in the family is their own special personal responsibility, and is to be looked after under all circumstances. They become the child’s best friend, playmate, guardian, and companin. When a Boerboel is not actively playing with a child, you will find him in the yard "watching" over the children, ready to alarm and defend as needed. Many a story has been told about a Boerboel spending hour after hour guarding a little baby in a crib. He feels the whole family belongs to him and his sole purpose is to protect them, with his life, if necessary.


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[ruthcatrin]

If she's asking about boerboels in general thats fine, but she phrased the question as if to ask of all breeds.....and the thread she's referencing was dfinetly about all breeds.

 

[DMikeM]

Not all mastiffs are the same. We all know that. I thought she was asking in consideration of her dog.