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Dominant Presa Canario... help?

GuardDog

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Who are you talking to? I never made any statements regarding Presas. I simply asked you questions. I asked you why you wanted one of these dogs when all you seem to be focused on is how dangerous they are. I never stated they were dangerous; I never stated any facts about them. The only statement I made was regarding "Wikipedia" and why it is such a poor source of information regarding anything. I also said we should return to the subject posted by the OP.


i should have replied with quote, new to this Place, the newest post is for you :)
 

GuardDog

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Who are you talking to? I never made any statements regarding Presas. I simply asked you questions. I asked you why you wanted one of these dogs when all you seem to be focused on is how dangerous they are. I never stated they were dangerous; I never stated any facts about them. The only statement I made was regarding "Wikipedia" and why it is such a poor source of information regarding anything. I also said we should return to the subject posted by the OP.


The presas you met were well raised and had owners who were well accointed with the breed, after i looked at wikipedia i googled ALL of the cases, why dont YOU google all the cases to begin with, Before saying this is true this is false, and regarding you tube, im not talking about attacks im talking about TEMPER, read the post thrugly. And regarding wikipedia, its a source like any other youl have to use common sense and then do reaserch, you had done this you could have saved yourself the time to write things you do not understand.​
this one is ment for you, i posted it wrong
 

Iymala

Well-Known Member
You have made sweeping statements about a breed you have not owned. I think you should take a second to research more than just sensational articles. Any dog can be made into an agressive dog or an unstable dog due to its owners. I have met labs that would have ripped me up had they not had been restrained, but that hardly means all labs are unstable or aggressive. There are many factors that can go into making an aggresive dog... breeding, training, socialization, health issues, abuse, fear, etc. None of these are unique to Presa Canarios. Now, I will agree that an aggressive or unbalanced mastiff (of any type) can do some serious damage due to their size and strength. That is why anyone who owns a giant breed (even a large dog in most cases) needs to be extra vigilant in training and socialization. They need to research the breed they are intending to own and make sure that it is right for their life style and more importantly their personal ability. Not everyone is a suitable owner for a more difficult breed regardless how much they may want one.

Also to add... wikipedia is NOT a source like any other. The information there is not suitable to be used in any academic paper or professional setting. The information on wikipedia is not verified to be true or accurate. That does not mean that all the information is false and it is a good place to find appropriate sources, but it in itself is just a quick generalization of topics at best.
 

mx5055

Well-Known Member
Please do google and look for news paper articles about the Death cases regarding the persons mentioned, and "why im talking negative about the breed i want" is an impressive creature with a strong temper and beautifull body that is why i want one (aslong as you remain alpha). and id rather warn ppl then Reading about it a month later

I honestly believe we should let this thread get back to what the OP posted and their particular issue. I think if you want to talk about Presas you could start a different thread and there would probably we lots of responses from people. And, I am in no way trying to be rude or disrespectful, but since you have never owned a Presa (neither have I) you might enjoy talking to some of the people on this forum that do/have owned Presas. That's why I suggested you start your own thread :)
 

Iymala

Well-Known Member
Kaysha,

I am not certain the interaction your pup has had with other dogs during her puppy stages. If she was not socialized around other dogs while she was growing up than she may simply not care for them. Hell, some dogs regardless of all the socialization in the world, do not care for other dogs. This does not mean she is a bad dog, but it does mean that she is not a "dog park" dog. That is OK.

I do not think "submitting" her is doing either of you any favors though. She is letting you know she is uncomfortable with her body language (hair up, growls, ears back) and that she does not want to accept strange dogs. Why do you need to force her to meet them? I think it would be more important at this point in her life to reinforce her training. Teach to to ignore them with her obedience commands and reward he for good behavior. Show and shape the behaviors you want from her, and be fair. I would be giving much different advice if you were speaking about a family dog in your pack or trying to add a dog to your household, but as far as I can tell from your post, is that these are stranger dogs that are not part of your family.

Just like people, dogs don't need to like everyone or every other dog, but they do need to politely ignore them. Then it is your job as the owner, to keep your dog safe and set her up for success. Remove her from areas that will be a failure. If you are walking and someone wants to let the dogs "Meet" ... it is OK to say No, She is out training. Or No, she doesn't care for other dogs. This doesn't make you a bad owner, but a good one. I have more respect for someone who tells me no their dog is not friendly than someone who looks shocked when their dog acts an ass.
 

GuardDog

Banned
You have made sweeping statements about a breed you have not owned. I think you should take a second to research more than just sensational articles. Any dog can be made into an agressive dog or an unstable dog due to its owners. I have met labs that would have ripped me up had they not had been restrained, but that hardly means all labs are unstable or aggressive. There are many factors that can go into making an aggresive dog... breeding, training, socialization, health issues, abuse, fear, etc. None of these are unique to Presa Canarios. Now, I will agree that an aggressive or unbalanced mastiff (of any type) can do some serious damage due to their size and strength. That is why anyone who owns a giant breed (even a large dog in most cases) needs to be extra vigilant in training and socialization. They need to research the breed they are intending to own and make sure that it is right for their life style and more importantly their personal ability. Not everyone is a suitable owner for a more difficult breed regardless how much they may want one.

Also to add... wikipedia is NOT a source like any other. The information there is not suitable to be used in any academic paper or professional setting. The information on wikipedia is not verified to be true or accurate. That does not mean that all the information is false and it is a good place to find appropriate sources, but it in itself is just a quick generalization of topics at best.


and how do you know how much i have researched and read about the presa canario? jumping to such conclusions what does that say about YOU? you clearly do not know anything about this breed. Do you even know your own breed one might ask? this breed is known WORLD WIDE to be one of the most visicous dogs that exists. " i have met labs that would have ripped me apart" please... dont go there.. and about wikipedia.. .its a source like any other just like you are a source and just like i am a source, Everything has to be scrutenized no matter the source
 

GuardDog

Banned

I honestly believe we should let this thread get back to what the OP posted and their particular issue. I think if you want to talk about Presas you could start a different thread and there would probably we lots of responses from people. And, I am in no way trying to be rude or disrespectful, but since you have never owned a Presa (neither have I) you might enjoy talking to some of the people on this forum that do/have owned Presas. That's why I suggested you start your own thread :)

It is not your Place to tell me what i can and cannot talk about. and it cannot be interpreted in any other way then rude to deminish what im saying just becouse i havent owned the breed itself. but to hell with all of it, there is no Point in bickering
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
Start your own thread and stop hijacking someone elses's

(and seriously, "known world wide as a most vicious dog" not hardly!)
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
Hi my name is Kaysha, i own an 11 month old Presa Canario called coco, she's really well trained in terms of obedience, so sitting staying, coming back and fourth from long distances, laying down... all great, and she's amazing at home however she's relatively small for a Presa. over the last few months she has started to be quite intimidating to other dogs, i reckon as she's gotten bigger her confidence has grown, and plus the fact that presa's are very weary of strangers doesn't help.


Kaysha, ditto Musicdeb's advice. I highly recommend not allowing her loose where she may come apon new dogs. Mot all dogs like all other dogs and she may be one of the ones who's less than thrilled with most other dogs. This means that you need to make sure she's never in a position to start a fight.
If she sees a dog, she'll run up to it and often just barks at it and ill call her back and she comes, her hairs on her back are raised so i feel as though she's unsure about strange dogs,

in a few occasions shes nipped other dogs and had scuffles with them, when she does this i submit her and tell her no, but she doesn't seem to go through the stage of acceptance so i feel that she just repeats her behaviour.

also although coco, does listen to commands and do that, i do not feels she does them with eagerness or excitement, and when i give her a command such as sit, she doesn't look at me with, like other dogs look at their owners, asking "whats next?" so to speak. I really need help... I feel like this is a pivotal point in her development, i want to get past this stage so i can be 100 confident in her, these are the only things she needs help with apart from that she's amazing and i love her

Kaysha, ditto Music Deb's advice. Not all dogs get along with others. And since she appears to be one of them, at least right now, its your responsibility to keep her on leash so she doesn't end up in a fight.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
I do not have a dog atm, but i have had a germen and a shabrador and im thinking about buying a presa, hence ive read ALOT about the breed, No offence taken :)
* HIJACK* Please do NOT get a Presa, I think sticking with the lab crosses is a much better idea for you. Perpetrating ridiculous stereotypes about breeds you obviously know nothing about is far more damaging then you know. For your killing and maiming comments I know what you are talking about and that had nothing to do with breeds and everything to do with sociopath humans. Given your idea of research and absurd advise based on nothing written, I suggest that you spend less time on Wikipedia and more time getting out and actually speaking and meeting to people who actually have breed knowledge. *END RANT*
 

Mastinero

Well-Known Member
Sounds like your dog is uncertain of what to do. When you encounter another dog you have to set the tone. If you are feeling anxiety the dog will feel anxiety. Set the tone, and correct the behavior immediately before the dog reaches an unwanted behavior. Know the dogs mannerisms. Some key things are head up, and ears up. This is a sure sign of unwanted dog behavior. You should see head somewhat low and ears back. What kind of leash/ collar are you using. Find a dog with good socialization skills and practice walking by him as the owner stands by with him. Eventually allowing your dig to sniff butts.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
LMAO. Damn I didn't even get to say good bye :razzberry: I wish I could have asked how to properly crop my dogs from such a wealth of knowledge...