Dominant Presa Canario... help?

[Kaysha]

Hi my name is Kaysha, i own an 11 month old Presa Canario called coco, she's really well trained in terms of obedience, so sitting staying, coming back and fourth from long distances, laying down... all great, and she's amazing at home however she's relatively small for a Presa. over the last few months she has started to be quite intimidating to other dogs, i reckon as she's gotten bigger her confidence has grown, and plus the fact that presa's are very weary of strangers doesn't help.

If she sees a dog, she'll run up to it and often just barks at it and ill call her back and she comes, her hairs on her back are raised so i feel as though she's unsure about strange dogs,

in a few occasions shes nipped other dogs and had scuffles with them, when she does this i submit her and tell her no, but she doesn't seem to go through the stage of acceptance so i feel that she just repeats her behaviour.

also although coco, does listen to commands and do that, i do not feels she does them with eagerness or excitement, and when i give her a command such as sit, she doesn't look at me with, like other dogs look at their owners, asking "whats next?" so to speak. I really need help... I feel like this is a pivotal point in her development, i want to get past this stage so i can be 100 confident in her, these are the only things she needs help with apart from that she's amazing and i love her

 

[musicdeb]

11 months and she's in the "teenage years" It requires lots of patience and consistency in training. Some mastiffs do not like eye contact, my DDB doesn't like eye contact but he will hold a "look at me" for up to 30 seconds. It's taken me a couple of months to get up to 30 second hold.

Do you walk the dog off leash? I would recommend that you walk the pup on leash because of the potential of a dog fight. A lot of mastiffs are dog aggressive.

Have you taught the command, "look/focus,"? This will teach him to look at you instead of the distraction. There is a post on the forum regarding this command and someone posted a video on how to teach it. Do a search on the forum for look at me or focus command.

Have you taught the command, leave it and drop it?

Make training fun. Mastiffs bore easily. Do positive rewards when training with high value treats. When she does a command, make it a big deal in a high pitched voice and give a treat. Say, "good look", "good sit," "good drop it," "good come."

 

[GuardDog]

I really hope this isent your first dog.. the presa canario is a ticking time bomb if you do not know how to handle it, this is a VERY dangerous breed. It sounds to me like your being dominated, you should never let your dog walk infront of you only behind and beside, dont let her up onto "higher objects" kitchen bench, couch, bed. you can do let her up on the couch and bed LATER but then the dog has to "ask you" example, look at you "can i come up?" never let the dog lay with its palm head etc on ur body else then the lower parts of your legs, make sure your the one who enters the appartment first the one who leave it first, make sure the dog Thinks your eating from its food b4 you give it to him. Contact an expert (no im not talking about cesar) if she growls at you even ones. Although... the female ones are not half as dangerous as the male ones

 

[ruthcatrin]

I really hope this isent your first dog.. the presa canario is a ticking time bomb if you do not know how to handle it, this is a VERY dangerous breed. It sounds to me like your being dominated, you should never let your dog walk infront of you only behind and beside, dont let her up onto "higher objects" kitchen bench, couch, bed. you can do let her up on the couch and bed LATER but then the dog has to "ask you" example, look at you "can i come up?" never let the dog lay with its palm head etc on ur body else then the lower parts of your legs, make sure your the one who enters the appartment first the one who leave it first, make sure the dog Thinks your eating from its food b4 you give it to him. Contact an expert (no im not talking about cesar) if she growls at you even ones. Although... the female ones are not half as dangerous as the male ones

How in the world do you get "you're being dominated" out of the OPs post?? She's having problems with the dog getting along with other dogs, not with the dog dominating her.....

 

[mx5055]

Before I comment could I ask a question? In your original stated you said:

"in a few occasions shes nipped other dogs and had scuffles with them,I submit her and tell her no, but she doesn't seem to go through the stage of acceptance so i feel that she just repeats her behaviour."

May I ask how you submit here? I am just trying to get a clearer picture of the whole situation

 

[GuardDog]

oh and ofc... you gotta socialize this breed from the second you get her.. introduce him to Children, other dogs etc etc etc, if she growsl try to give some snacks (healthy ones) when his with other dogs and does not grow´l, make him assossiate other dogs with fun and snacks. dont ever let this breed walk loose without a leash without.. those things you put on the mouth w/e you call them

 

[GuardDog]

The post is called "Dominant presa" so i assume that she is having domination problems as well

 

[ruthcatrin]

The post is called "Dominant presa" so i assume that she is having domination problems as well

um, yah, read the post, details are important.....and there's this saying about the word "assume"....

 

[mx5055]

I really hope this isent your first dog.. the presa canario is a ticking time bomb if you do not know how to handle it, this is a VERY dangerous breed. It sounds to me like your being dominated, you should never let your dog walk infront of you only behind and beside, dont let her up onto "higher objects" kitchen bench, couch, bed. you can do let her up on the couch and bed LATER but then the dog has to "ask you" example, look at you "can i come up?" never let the dog lay with its palm head etc on ur body else then the lower parts of your legs, make sure your the one who enters the appartment first the one who leave it first, make sure the dog Thinks your eating from its food b4 you give it to him. Contact an expert (no im not talking about cesar) if she growls at you even ones. Although.. the female ones are not half as dangerous as the male ones[/QUOTE

GuardDog, I am certainly not trying to be disrespectful or rude, but may I ask what kind of dogs you own and what your training experience consists of?

 

[GuardDog]

no probs m8 everyone can read wrong

 

[GuardDog]

I do not have a dog atm, but i have had a germen and a shabrador and im thinking about buying a presa, hence ive read ALOT about the breed, No offence taken

 

[mx5055]

I do not have a dog atm, but i have had a germen and a shabrador and im thinking about buying a presa, hence ive read ALOT about the breed, No offence taken

I'm sorry, I am a bit ignorant when it comes to dog breeds I know nothing about. What exactly is a "shabrador"? May I also ask what/where you're reading to get your information? Sorry for all the questions, I just like to gather whatever information I can before I form a response. We have an introduction section on this forum if you would like to introduce yourself to the forum

 

[mx5055]

Sorry, I found it; your spelling through me off, Chabrador

http://www.petyourdog.com/breed/Chabrador

 

[GuardDog]

A shabrador is a mix of a germen Shepard and a labrador
I have gotten the information about the presa canario on wikipedia, at the end of site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario you can read about attacks against ppl that this breed has been involved in, "not very many if you compare to other breeds".. that is usally what i hear. then i say, no thats right, but other breeds doesnt mangle you and chew you up into Little pices or rip out your throut, presa dogs do that if they attack you. if you can read plenty about this breed if you google for example "presa attacks owner" "presa canario dangerous dogs" and you can also look at vids in you tube to see their temper

 

[GuardDog]

hmm thats odd, in sweden we call the mix of ger shep and labb "schabrador"

 

[mx5055]

A shabrador is a mix of a germen Shepard and a labrador
I have gotten the information about the presa canario on wikipedia, at the end of site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario you can read about attacks against ppl that this breed has been involved in, "not very many if you compare to other breeds".. that is usally what i hear. then i say, no thats right, but other breeds doesnt mangle you and chew you up into Little pices or rip out your throut, presa dogs do that if they attack you. if you can read plenty about this breed if you google for example "presa attacks owner" "presa canario dangerous dogs" and you can also look at vids in you tube to see their temper

Maybe different countries have different spellings? Personally, Wikipedia is the last place I would search for information regarding anything; ANYONE can edit and add/take away from those pages. Have you researched breeders of presas? Gone to visit any in person? Almost everything you say about a presa is negative; why would you want to get a dog like this is you feel it is so truly dangerous? There are plenty of other breeds to choose from. Anyway, I was just curious regarding where you were coming from/dogs you owned/experience you actually had. Thanks for the answers and welcome to the forum. I think it's time this thread returned to what the OP was asking...Sry I got side-tracked

 

[jersey girl]

A shabrador is a mix of a germen Shepard and a labrador
I have gotten the information about the presa canario on wikipedia, at the end of site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario you can read about attacks against ppl that this breed has been involved in, "not very many if you compare to other breeds".. that is usally what i hear. then i say, no thats right, but other breeds doesnt mangle you and chew you up into Little pices or rip out your throut, presa dogs do that if they attack you. if you can read plenty about this breed if you google for example "presa attacks owner" "presa canario dangerous dogs" and you can also look at vids in you tube to see their temper

Wikipedia??? Please don't go by what is stated on that site....ANYBODY can write info and post it on Wikipedia. I have met several Presas and they were wonderful and great with my Corso and me. YouTube is hardly a good source of info either...half of those videos are staged.

 

[GuardDog]

The presas you met were well raised and had owners who were well accointed with the breed, after i looked at wikipedia i googled ALL of the cases, why dont YOU google all the cases to begin with, Before saying this is true this is false, and regarding you tube, im not talking about attacks im talking about TEMPER, read the post thrugly. And regarding wikipedia, its a source like any other youl have to use common sense and then do reaserch, you had done this you could have saved yourself the time to write things you do not understand.

 

[mx5055]

The presas you met were well raised and had owners who were well accointed with the breed, after i looked at wikipedia i googled ALL of the cases, why dont YOU google all the cases to begin with, Before saying this is true this is false, and regarding you tube, im not talking about attacks im talking about TEMPER, read the post thrugly. And regarding wikipedia, its a source like any other youl have to use common sense and then do reaserch, you had done this you could have saved yourself the time to write things you do not understand.

Who are you talking to? I never made any statements regarding Presas. I simply asked you questions. I asked you why you wanted one of these dogs when all you seem to be focused on is how dangerous they are. I never stated they were dangerous; I never stated any facts about them. The only statement I made was regarding "Wikipedia" and why it is such a poor source of information regarding anything. I also said we should return to the subject posted by the OP.

 

[GuardDog]

Please do google and look for news paper articles about the Death cases regarding the persons mentioned, and "why im talking negative about the breed i want" is an impressive creature with a strong temper and beautifull body that is why i want one (aslong as you remain alpha). and id rather warn ppl then Reading about it a month later