Dog registers questions

[Young347]

Is there any way to register a purebred dog with unknown. lineage ?? Like say you have blood test showing he is pure bred but do not know his father or mother ?

 

[HeatherA]

sorry I have no answer maybe you should call the registry you are wanting to look into and ask. the people at that end of the phone are normaly realy nice and happy to help

 

[DDSK]

Just curious what you hope to accomplish by registering the dog?
If you plan to breed it prospective buyers will most likely want to see the lineage.

 

[Smokeycat]

I know in Canada you can register a spayed/neutered dog but not an intact one that has no registration with a legitimate registry already.

 

[Edward B.]

In EU pedigree or not you still have to register your dog (annually taxes for the pet ).
This is all you can do without a pedigree. You can't prove that you have a pure-bred dog without a pedigree where it shows the lineage. In my country (Romania) from 1[SUP]st[/SUP] January 2015 you can't sell a dog without pedigree (with champion's parents or not) even the pet-shops can't sell dogs without a pedigree (still some people find a way to sell the puppies). I have an 8 month Cane Corso (with pedigree) and according the regulations I cannot breed my dog if I don't have achieve 1 time Very Good and 2 times Good to a show (even club show are good). I can't go to International shows due to ears crop and dock tail. This is how is going in most EU countries.

Wish you all the very best to you and your new dog

Edward

 

[Young347]

I love my dog and he is amazing and I want to need him to my female that has a amazing pedigree regardless if I can get him registered or not they we be bred just because of how amazing he is I will be giving most of the puppies away to family and close friends but I would just like I have home registered just for a peice of mind that's all

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Being amazing is not enough of a reason for a dog to be bred. There are lots of dogs in shelters who's owners thought they were amazing and should be bred and hundreds more being euthanized daily. Please re-think breeding your dog as the reason you have given is not a good enough one to add to the population that is crowding rescues and shelters.

There is no way to register a dog that doesn't have a pedigree/registration unless you spay/neuter and apply as a pet for a PAL registration.

I love my dog and he is amazing and I want to need him to my female that has a amazing pedigree regardless if I can get him registered or not they we be bred just because of how amazing he is I will be giving most of the puppies away to family and close friends but I would just like I have home registered just for a peice of mind that's all

 

[Young347]

So why do so called professional dog breeders breed dogs other than money and please don't say to better the dog breed itself what is the right reason to breed a dog? And I see that you bought an breed dogs you did not go to a shelter and rescue one why not ? And money is not a good enough reason

 

[DDSK]

Money is all that matters to some people, but if that is the only criteria then the greedy breeders will breed dogs of poor quality over and over, passing poor quality dogs onto unsuspecting people who will buy them not knowing they are getting a poorly bred dog that may have genetic faults passed onto them like I got with my 1 st Cane Corso Zoey who is an amazing dog, but who has Addison's disease which costs me many hundreds of dollars monthly just to keep her alive.
If I had bred her then she would have passed those genes along watering down the breed as a whole.

Responsible breeders breed for mother betterment of the breed not for the money, the money they make helps offset their costs, no one gets rich breeding dogs unless they are a puppy mill.

 

[Young347]

I have had my male and female check for breeding health and they are extremely healthy that's the first thing I did and you say they don't get rich but 1 little of large breed dogs can make 10 thousand plus and all puppy vet bills costing a quarter of profits so over all making enough profit 1 or 2 times a year to equal a job the breed like all dog breeds were statrigacally breed for a working purpose so breeding to better the breed is crap unless they are bred for hunting and guarding witch they are not bred for anymore these days they are bred for house guard dogs or loving pets

If some person truly wants to breed dogs for the better of the breed they would breed their dogs they spend and spent thousand on and give he animals to loving homes free of charge they would not expect or ask for anything to help with the cost because they truly love the animals and want to further the breed

Just as I stated if I breed my male and female it will be to give my family and others a beautiful pet for their homes I have had them both checked for breeding standards and health and I don't not plan to charge for the animalsi just want them to go to great homes

Of courses everyone has their opinions

 

[Smokeycat]

What I don't understand is why registration would give any peace of mind. For whatever reason(s) you had you chose to get an unregistered puppy. Even if you could get him registered that piece of paper can give no information about him than you already know.
Also hopefully the health check was more than the dog is healthy. Many things that can be passed down to puppies aren't visible in a routine health check but requires blood tests, specific tests or X-rays. I have had a local breeder (not connected) tell me that Kryten looks just like what she wants her males to look like. The major reason why he will never be bred is invisible most of the time, he has elbow dysplasia.
As it sounds like you have already decided what you want to do (and are now trying to legitimize it) I just hope that you truly do everything you can to ensure healthy pups and that the family and friends you want to give them to are the sort of people who are capable of handling the breed.

 

[DDSK]

Because the way she sounds she wants to make top dollar for breeding her dogs and selling them.
You can't get top dollar for a pup if it's parents are not papered.
I only hope the bitch is not over bred to her detriment where her health is endangered as so happens when backyard breeders get greedy and see their dogs as their meal ticket.
Breeding dogs as a business is ok if done right with respect for the health and happiness of the dogs involved.

 

[Edward B.]

Seems that you already made a decision from the day you took the second dog. Registering you dog I don't think you will have any issues about that.

Just for your info:
I have the first dog in my 41 years, a Cane Corso. I read and learn a lot about the breed which I realy love it. I took precautions with regards to the way the dog plays (jumping from high places and other thinks which might provoke health issues) from the day I took the dog home I give him CAFORTAN and APLAZYL. Good food, and checks with the vet and trying my best to keep him out of risks at least until will one year old (8 months now), the most critical period.

That being said:
One of the many health problems of large breed dogs is HD (Hip Dysplasia) and very often happen to large breeds. Of course there is no way to completelyeliminate HD from any breed. It is a complicated issue that involves bothenvironment and genetics. That being said, breeders can be proactive aboutbettering the odds. In this day and age, a conscientious breeder candrastically lower the incidences of HD in their programs just by getting aneducation, testing and choosing to breed wisely. Just because a dog is not symptomatic, doesn't mean its hips are correctly formed and the laxity is withinreasonable breeding parameters. Maintaining low odds for crippling HD is wellwithin the reach of Corso breeders. Unlike other issues facing the breed, thisone can be drastically reduced just by taking precautions.
I do agree that a Corso is not strictly "apair of hips" and that other considerations should be taken into accountwhen breeding. A respectable breeder is going to justify breeding hips, with a pedigree of solid hip genetics.
There is NO excuse for breeding two untested dogs OR two dogswith poor scores.

Breeding is not really a business, never been. To have a kennel you need financial support and love for what you are doing. A respectable breeder will never do this to become rich, never. But because he/she love the breed and wants to keep the line as much as possible unaltered, and is not cheap.

I buy a Cane Corso from a well known breeder in my country, and USA but in case my CC will have health issues like HD (common for large breeds) I will never breed the dog (I will sterilize the dog).

I have no intention to offend somebody from here, is just a personal opinion.

Wish you the very best to everyone and their pups.

Edward

 

[Young347]

I am not worried about my male and his papers when I was looking for a dog and I seen him I had to have him papers or not did not matter and now itis just like I am amazed with him and thought it would be cool if I could get him registered I guess I can kinda discribe it like this a fist child or someone who does not know their parents gets courious and so when they gt old or whenever they search for them just for a price of mind I just thought it would be cool to know but now that I know there is no way it's okay

Ido not believe in tainting the dog breed and do not agree with dog mills orany of that I was already going to have my male bred because not of the breed but because of him as a dog I have had dozens of people begging for a dog from him because of his character around any situation and I will most likely have all the puppies spayed before giving them away so they can not have puppies and after this I may or may nothave 1 other little witha professional breeder with my female due to the people at iccf stated that her liniage is amazing so that her bloodline can continue and that will be if they winter to breed with her if not she will be fixed after and she will just be as she is now a great part of my family and my daughters dog to grow up with and we will keep taking good care of our pets like we do now (10 dollars a day to feed them their regular meals and a great diet )

 

[Young347]

Sorry if I upset anyone and thanks for all of the advice on the registering stuff and the breeding advice

 

[HeatherA]

did you do any reasearch into corso puppies? you can not have them spayed or neutered before "giving" them away, mastiff breeds should not be fixed until they are around 18 months of age. I think you should take a step back and do reasearch lots and lots of reasearch adn look at how many plan jane corso go without being placed in homes because people want a top quality dog that is a dog that has all of their health tests at 18 months and a show title of some sort.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

So why do so called professional dog breeders breed dogs other than money and please don't say to better the dog breed itself what is the right reason to breed a dog? And I see that you bought an breed dogs you did not go to a shelter and rescue one why not ? And money is not a good enough reason

Of course to make a fortune! LMAO, I have a pet that is now 8 and has cost me close to $8000 in vet bills with never having a pup. I have a pet male that I have matured to 4 years that will be neutered because I don't think he fits what I currently have for breeding purposes. His mother had 2 litters and will be spayed this summer. His sister, we will see if I can get a sound match for her, if not she will be spayed. Then there are the other 2 young dogs (brother and sister) that are maturing to see if they pass their health screens or not before being put in the show ring or considering breeding them. I have had a total of 2 litters and have kept 4 pups personally and have 2 on co-own until they are mature as prospects the rest are pets and on spay/neuter contracts. I did not go to a shelter because we enjoy competing in dog evens such as conformation as well as working on Obedience and Rally O at the moment.

I have had my male and female check for breeding health and they are extremely healthy that's the first thing I did and you say they don't get rich but 1 little of large breed dogs can make 10 thousand plus and all puppy vet bills costing a quarter of profits so over all making enough profit 1 or 2 times a year to equal a job the breed like all dog breeds were statrigacally breed for a working purpose so breeding to better the breed is crap unless they are bred for hunting and guarding witch they are not bred for anymore these days they are bred for house guard dogs or loving pets

If some person truly wants to breed dogs for the better of the breed they would breed their dogs they spend and spent thousand on and give he animals to loving homes free of charge they would not expect or ask for anything to help with the cost because they truly love the animals and want to further the breed

Just as I stated if I breed my male and female it will be to give my family and others a beautiful pet for their homes I have had them both checked for breeding standards and health and I don't not plan to charge for the animalsi just want them to go to great homes

Of courses everyone has their opinions

You have had what, your regular vet health check them? Most regular vets have a general knowledge of everything but specialist have the criteria to tell you what is really going on, that is why people advocate OFA and PennHip for health screens.

I also have no idea where your vet is but I would like to have their number as my vet bills cost a hell of a lot more than a quarter of the cost of the litter. Health testing, progesterone testing, AI expenses, stud fees, pregnancy expense and whelping costs (and hopefully no c-section) eat up close to 1/2 a litter expense itself. Then the expense to feed X number of pups for minimum 5 weeks going from puppy mush to quality kibble, vaccines, microchips, checkup, etc. add that up and you likely have another 1/4 of the price of the litter. Then when I breed I keep at least one back (actually 2 per litter of the ones I have had). To be honest you have no idea the cost of what goes into ensuring a litter gets the best possible start because you ensure the parents were ones that should be bred, you have no concept that each time you breed you face the knowledge that you could loose your female if something should go wrong. You also have no idea what relationship "breeders like me" have with out puppy people and the support we offer for the life of the animal.

Giving puppies away doesn't solve a problem, people don't value items they are given, they are considered disposable, look at the number of pets that people pay 1000s for and the dispose of in the blink of an eye so I am sure they would never dispose of something for free so easily.

I am not worried about my male and his papers when I was looking for a dog and I seen him I had to have him papers or not did not matter and now itis just like I am amazed with him and thought it would be cool if I could get him registered I guess I can kinda discribe it like this a fist child or someone who does not know their parents gets courious and so when they gt old or whenever they search for them just for a price of mind I just thought it would be cool to know but now that I know there is no way it's okay

Ido not believe in tainting the dog breed and do not agree with dog mills orany of that I was already going to have my male bred because not of the breed but because of him as a dog I have had dozens of people begging for a dog from him because of his character around any situation and I will most likely have all the puppies spayed before giving them away so they can not have puppies and after this I may or may nothave 1 other little witha professional breeder with my female due to the people at iccf stated that her liniage is amazing so that her bloodline can continue and that will be if they winter to breed with her if not she will be fixed after and she will just be as she is now a great part of my family and my daughters dog to grow up with and we will keep taking good care of our pets like we do now (10 dollars a day to feed them their regular meals and a great diet )

It also isn't healthy to have them spay/neutered at such a young age as when you are "giving" them away. There are lots of people with "amazing lineage" guess it just depends on who you ask and there are more than a few people asking after the "awesome" lineage I have in pets that I have placed, I thank them politely and tell them that this dog is a pet and is not available for breeding because I don't believe every dog produced is one that should be bred regardless of what lines are in their pedigree. In the end you will do what you want for whatever justification you have for it and I will donate to my friend's rescue once again likely to take care of more puppies that were just bred because they owner had two great dogs that just needed to have puppies and hope that it isn't one of yours I am supporting some day.

 

[Young347]

Then why would all of you who think breeding is bad unless your a so called self proclaimed professional breeder when you paid a pretty price for a pet and a companion and then say to not breed that dogs and animals need to be rescued and yet your not taking your own advice ??? In all reality you breeding is not bettering the dog breed in no way you are sustaining the breed is what your doing not bettering it and what make you a breeder ?? Why do uou breed to pay for your vet bills and see the puppy's I guess and yet you sale them from 1 to 4k a piece you justify you breeding the dogs in your own way in your eyes your "bettering the breed" and in my eyes your not you do it for money I don't care how little or much you make that's why you do it and you can justify you breeding because you put you dogs in a nice place and feed them well as for what I want to do is my business not yours I believe by breeding my male and female I will have a litter of puppies that will make the people I give them to happy not going to a show or whatever and that's all that matter it's not what your opinion is of me or what I want to do in your eyes you are right and no other breeder or person that wants to breed their dog is right only you and your reasons to be a breeder and in my eyes if you have your own agenda you can do as you please and I am sure that you make beautiful lovely puppies and as for what I want to do is my agenda and I wont be tainting the breed or hurting this world 1 litte in the whole world is not going to harm a thing and in my eyes I will giving my nephews and close friends a stable well minded animal because I know the parents and everyone else know he parent instead of buy an animal from a stranger that they have no clue to what there breeding habits are or the temperament of the dogs parents as Edward stated they got a dog from a breeder and had a lot of health issue now what if Edward knew the people first and the dog history and temperament ???

 

[HeatherA]

the breeders i know don't make a profit at all, you don't count for vet expenses on the mother did you? she has to have care that cost a pretty penney, they feed their dogs that cost a lot i have 4 i know how much it cost to feed more than 2 dogs, when a breeder i know is done with a litter she is luck to break even it is not all about the money and you are the only who keeps saying that. you can get a dog with health problems anywere but you lessen your chances getting one fron a reputale breeder who has gone through all of proper health testing and one who gives a health gaurantee. a good breeder will be someone repsonsable enought and able to care for any puppy that has to return because it didn't work out in the placed home, if you can finacially ahead of time take care of your dogs and a potential litter of 10 feeding for months you should not breed. i'm not saying you aren't i don't know you I am just saying that is what makes a good breeder and somene who should breed not just someone who has 2 dogs and says hey i can make some money because every good breeder i have spoken with all say the same thing they are lucky to break even...

 

[Edward B.]

Young347
“…buy an animal from a stranger that they have no clue to what their breeding habits are or the temperament of the dog*s parents as Edward stated they got a dog from a breeder and had a lot of health issue now what if Edward knew the people first and the dog history and temperament???”
I didn*t state on my above post that I have problems with my CC.
I did mention:
“I read and learn a lot about the breed which I really love it. I took precautions with regards to the way the dog plays (jumping from high places and other thinks which might provoke health issues) from the day I took the dog home I give him CAFORTAN and APLAZYL. Good food, and checks with the vet and trying my best to keep him out of risks at least until will one year old (8 months now), the most critical period.”
But this is something any puppy owner should do. Is part of the precautions I was mentioning above. We have to continue the work the breeder start, if we love to have a nice and healthy CC.
The body and skeleton of a puppy is in the early stages of his life specially the joints.
What I am trying to say is that I can*t go back to a breeder claiming that is doing his job wrong because my puppy has health problems.
A breeder sold me a puppy at 3 months old and I expect to achieve a super dog from the beginning until the end without doing nothing about? No my dear forum colleague this will never happen.
I mention that I give to my dog CAFORTAN (vitamin) and APLAZIL (for joints), something I will recommend to any puppy owner as well good food.
I had my dog sick with what every puppy might have when they are small (like children*s) like DEMODEX, for example.
I know the breeder I took the puppy but we are not friends. That breeder is doing what his doing because he really love the breed (Cane Corso) and his financial situation was never a problem. I know another 2 good breeders but not my friends in my country…. When you buy a dog is good to search anywhere before you take a step forward, before taking a puppy.
I know both parents of my dog (Try to google (photos)): JAMAL * La valle degli orsi Ali (father) / Zigana - La valle degli orsi Ali (mother)
[video=youtube;4ENUkJqOWkI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ENUkJqOWkI[/video]
[video=youtube;IITX5RLRk_c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IITX5RLRk_c[/video]
As well his well known in US and Canada. He send puppies everywhere in the world (pedigree included) and doing this job for at least 13 years.
Temperament? Check below the temperament of his dogs (CC)
[video=youtube;F-cXiqgeRdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-cXiqgeRdg[/video]
I hope will not be considered advert to a specific person. In case will be considered I apologise in advance and hope not to be banned.

Just be sure the ones are getting puppies from you are ready for Cane Corso, including financial situation.

BYB*s will always exist but people need to be educated on this matter before they buy a puppy.

The discussion is going south and I will stop here.

All the best to everyone present on this page.

Edward