Does any one know of a Neo breeder that....

[NeoBull]

Breeds Neo's that look more like the Neo's of 100+ years ago, before the wrinkles and loose skin were taken to the extreme, when they were still athletic looking and could actually work?

I'd like to get one some day but I'm not into the modern extra "typey" dogs. I wish breeders would start backtracking, the dogs would be healthier, more athletic, and truer to the original Roman dogs. I think Neo's SHOULD look more like what I would imagine a Cane Corso x Neo would look.

 

[Cody]

The Neo of a 100 years ago was a Corso and visa versa.
It was a type of dog as opposed to a breed Looks/build varied depending on what the use was. The term Cane Corso is used through out ancient literature to describe the type. Even the translate is a debate; Cane being the Italian word for dog and Corso is either based on the Latin word Cohors - Guardian, protector or the other side which is Corso being Italian for coursing.
There are a few breeders who claim to be doing that, if you find one let me know. The mythical Mastino Italiano... is like the search for the unicorn...
http://www.alleri.eu/pagina/it/razza/1/Origine_E_Storia.html

Great link if you have google translate or could read Italian

 

[NeoBull]

Thanks, I can read quite a bit of Italian, but google translate is easier lol.

I guess what I have in my head, MY perfect Neo... would have to be bigger than most CC and have a little more skin/wrinkles but nothing close to what you see in the Neo show rings... One of the members on the forum with Mikey (love his name btw) is pretty close. I'll have to ask how old he is...

These are close:



And I like this guy's head... his body could be a bit thicker but maybe he's young:


These 2 are nice:

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On the more wrinkled side... These are as typey as I like:

 

[NeoBull]

On the more wrinkled side... These are as typey as I like anthing between this set and the 1st set would be pretty good:

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Cody thanks for the read. I found the read very fascinating. It had an there was an "English" option on the site.

NeoBull, thanks for asking the question. The Neo was my first dog of choice, after the Rottie and German mastiff, but like you I like the dog to be a little larger/taller. I love the winkles but nothing too excessive. Mikey is simply gorgeous.

 

[chuckorlando]

I've never had one, but they are in my opinion, the best looking mastiff. Some have far to many wrinkles. All those pics are great except the one with croped ears. I just aint a fan of the look. I to like big dogs.I wonder what I would end up with breeding a male with my female Fila

 

[Cody]

These are the type of dogs that I would like to see again. Mass and function. These are my holy grail so to speak...

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Beautiful......The one jumping is my favorite.

 

[chuckorlando]

I would sure hate to see the one jumping, coming at me in the woods. Even if his intent was to lick me to death. hahahaha

 

[LadyDogLover]

Thanks for sharing...I love the pics. Neo's make my top three list of favs...also included in the top three are the PC and
FB.

 

[NeoBull]

I take back the 100+ years ago part... I like most pre 1980's Neos! I didn't realize just how far they took the "typeyness" in such a short time! It looks like they're continuing to get even more wrinkles, loose skin, and less functional with each passing year... when is enough enough?!

No offense to those that like this look but I think for the sake of the dogs we need to back track a bit, I just think it's been taken too far

This video shows Neo's from the 50's till now:

[video=youtube;spm7utD1Rf0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spm7utD1Rf0&feature=related[/video]

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I agree.....I was looking at old dane photos recently and got the same impression. Enough is enough...

 

[chuckorlando]

This is my buggest hang up with breeders. The more I learn about these animals and their progression through time, the less I trust them. Anyone of them will fry chicken wih their mouth but sometimes you dont know if their baking beans with their rear till it's to late. I was reading how man fila breeders have breed for even harder temperment than is already natural. To the point where no amount of socialization will keep people safe with some. Neo's, st. brenarrds, very few dogs resemble what they once were

In the plant industry you breed to get a good mix. Like a knockout rose. For 20yr or so thy crossed 1000's apon 1000's an back crossed till your left with a stable f1 hybrid that displays everything you want. The result is a shrub rose that you can hack up with hedge clippers, takes exessive heat and humidity, pest and fungus resistant. Then you start work on colors and flower size. A pretty flower thats never seen due to health issues, is just a sickly shrub

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Bull dogs, bassets, JR's, sharpei's the list goes on and on. Luckily there are breeders that are breaking away from these extremes and focusing on what the dogs once were.

 

[LadyDogLover]

This is my buggest hang up with breeders. The more I learn about these animals and their progression through time, the less I trust them. Anyone of them will fry chicken wih their mouth but sometimes you dont know if their baking beans with their rear till it's to late. I was reading how man fila breeders have breed for even harder temperment than is already natural. To the point where no amount of socialization will keep people safe with some. Neo's, st. brenarrds, very few dogs resemble what they once were.

While I am inclined to agree with you...humor may or may not have been your intention, but your reference regarding
frying chicken with their mouths and making beans with their rear...funny as heck...LMHO!

 

[chuckorlando]

It's just something I say alot. Throws a little humor into often serious subjects. Plus being from the south, it sounds good with that boomhauer draw. HAHAHAHA

One mans check is another mans chicken

 

[Cody]

There is a "watering" down of temperament as well so to speak. In all these breeds; Neo, Corso, Dogo, Presa, I am quite sure Fila as well. Most of these breeds couldn't be owned by many of the people that have them in today's society. They were NOT originally bred for the lifestyle that we live in.

 

[NeoBull]

There is a "watering" down of temperament as well so to speak. In all these breeds; Neo, Corso, Dogo, Presa, I am quite sure Fila as well. Most of these breeds couldn't be owned by many of the people that have them in today's society. They were NOT originally bred for the lifestyle that we live in.

I'm personally OK with this... it works for my life right now I want dogs that I can take out in public but still feel safe in my home or walking alone.

 

[chuckorlando]

I dont care which way they go as long as they were marketed to the situation they fit. But a home owner dont have much use for a straight up killer just like police impound has no use for a lap dog. My concern is more in the health of the animal and breeder making sure they go where they should. I new exactly what we were going to see. I researched a good bit to make sure we could handle a Fila worse case kinda deal. But theres no telling if the other buyers done the same. So their very well could be a family in our area that has no clue the potential danger laying in their floor. And of coarse the dog takes all the blame.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

There is a "watering" down of temperament as well so to speak. In all these breeds; Neo, Corso, Dogo, Presa, I am quite sure Fila as well. Most of these breeds couldn't be owned by many of the people that have them in today's society. They were NOT originally bred for the lifestyle that we live in.

THIS 100% People get/want "exotic" dogs but don't want the whole package.