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Ellyn

New Member
ok so everyone talks about the crate training and I just tried that and she destroyed the crate and almost hurt herself trying to get out. What crate will hold her and not hurt her?
 

Oak Hill Farm

Well-Known Member
For one crate training needs to begin slowly for an older puppy/dog who has never experienced it. you may have to leave it in the living room open and do nothing with it for a while. I would start feeding her in it with the door open, and that is all you do. Just so she realizes it is a good place to be. you may have to start with the food just inside, so all she does is stick her head in, and slowly move it back further when she is comfortable. After she gets used to/will willing go all the way in to eat move to the next step. Start tossing yummy treats (hot dogs/cheese) in and say "crate". let her right back out. When she doges this willingly start closing the door behind her and when she turns around let her out. work up to longer times. It may take a while and honestly some older dogs will never take to crates especially if they have had a bad experience with one.

If you want indestructible google Professional Superior heavy duty dog crates. They are pricey but can hold a bear.
 

AKBull

Super Moderator
Staff member
Aside from the crate training suggestions, are they allowed in your bedroom when you're sleeping?
 

natsan6

Well-Known Member
Jagger loves his crate now at first not so much. He has two different "crate only" treats which make it much more interesting for him, he knows he only gets them "inside" the crate. One is his kong stuffed with either liver filling or peanut butter, I have started freezing them so they take more work to clean out, and his braided bully stick(that one is for my own sanity those things stink to high Heaven ugh!).
 

tammi511

New Member
I have 2 English Mastiffs....12 months & 17 months. The 17 month old is my service dog so he's used to being with me all the time. I also work at home so they're used to being with ALL DAY. When I leave that's when the "fun begins". THEY'VE DESTROYED MANY THINGS! Their trainer said it's separation anxiety. I've invested in crates that are HUGE! This has slowed them down ALOT from destroying when I'm gone. Although I hate having to crate them and they take up so much space, it beat the huge exspense of replacing what they would destroy. As time went on (about 2 months) I had to crate them less because they stopped destroying so much. Your babies are still so young. Trust me, a 12 & 17 month old mastiff does ALOT more damage so you may want to consider a crate to save your pockets from spending out to replace what's being destroyed. I'm 5'11" and I can fit in the crates that I bought so they're not cramped at all.
 

lynnturner65

Well-Known Member
In my house I have an 11 month old EM and my daughter recently adopted a 20 week old mutt. We put their crates next to each other but soon realized that our EM was trying to break out of her crate and succeeding at times! We realized that the 2 pups would antagonize each other during the day while we were gone, we watched in all on hidden camera. Now we crate them in separate areas and no problems since. Our. EM never minded her crate before the new puppy, just took a little time to figure out the problem. Good Luck. I had a dog with SEVERE sep. anxiety, not fun, spent lots of dollars reinforcing many crates!
 

zebraworks

Well-Known Member
watched a video recently of a long time trainer who uses something I think he called "bitter apple", a liquid that he sops a cotton ball and puts it in the dogs mouth and holds their muzzle to keep it there....I don't recall if he did it only one time or two...anyhow you can then add just a slight amount of the bitter apple to some water in a spray bottle and spray things you don't want them to chew or dig, he swears by this method....he also crates or kennels dogs at night I believe.
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Bitter apple spray has been mentioned but like I said some dogs will chew anyways and it sounds cruel to me that a trainer would soak a cotton ball in it and put it in the dog's mouth and then hold their muzzle closed but maybe thats just me.
 

zebraworks

Well-Known Member
it sounds cruel to me that a trainer would soak a cotton ball in it and put it in the dog's mouth and then hold their muzzle closed but maybe thats just me.
isn't this just an unpleasant taste? I can't see how that is cruel when the point is to use the smell as a tool to avoid destructive and potentially dangerous behavior. I don't believe this is painful or unhealthy. dogs are not humans
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Holding their muzzle shut with a cotton ball soaked in bitter apple where they are forced to deal with the taste and could possibly swallow or inhale the cotton ball is cruel to me. If I ever saw someone, trainer or not, attempt that with my dogs it would not end well and I certainly would never pay this person for training. Maybe it's just me being sensitive but regardless of the fact that dogs aren't humans, it doesn't give people the right to be cruel. Proper positive training goes a long way in deterring chewing.
 

Oak Hill Farm

Well-Known Member
It gives the dog hypersensitivity to it. Like parents that catch their kids smoking and make them smoke a whole pack to make them ill. I also disagree with it, it is certainly not a humane way to train a dog.
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
On the topic of crates, we had a foster dog who had severe separation anxiety. He decimated one of the wire crates on numerous occasions. We finally got one of the older styles of crates which aren't as convenient in that they are a little harder to collapse and don't fold completely flat but it worked. He definitely tried to destroy that one as well but wasn't successful. Since then we use them for all our dogs.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
I think it could create a fear in the dog. Well actualy I would suspect that to be the objective. When the dog taste that taste, it remembers it's muzzle being held shut and forced to deal with it. Dont like that memory, so dont chew. Thats just an uneducated thought though. I dont like holding my dog to get a shot that is needed, so I would'nt do this to my dog. But I dont care for any thing being done to my dogs, that I would'nt do to my self. Unless it's for health. That includes cropping ears, tails, or holding mouths closed if thats not the only options
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
As the previous poster was so keen to point out, dogs aren't human, and as smart as they can be the dog isn't necessarily going to put 2 and 2 together.
 

bahamamarg

Well-Known Member
On the subject of crates, don't know I can be of much help being a neewbie AND a first time Mastiff owner. Hover, the one thing I can say is in this first week alone of viewing the posts in this forum, I've been immensely reassured that I am not alone and that someone, somewhere has the knowledge and experience to help! I have owned dogs all my life but never used a crate. Somehow I felt it was punishment for the dog. I've come to understand that this is seen by the dog as a safe haven and not a prison. Dexter came with his crate which for precisely this reason I did not want to put it up! However, after realizing he was simply not relaxed when in the house alone, we put it up and he loves it. He was a Harry Houdini though at first! The thing is huge and designed for giant dogs, but he still managed to get out - one time even leaving the ropes we tied intact making us think he was a disjointed super dog!! We left the tv on for him for a good couple of weeks and he really settled down. After about 2 months, he started chewing throughout the ropes again so we figured he no longer needed the confined space of the crate. Now we Leave him have the run of the house, but he's never been destructive. He often goes into his crate, even during times when we are here just to chill out! And goes in there every day at the time he knows I leave the house for work.
 

NeoBull

Well-Known Member
I've always used a crate during the 1st year or so. I don't think that's too long a time to be crated, some people don't even make it back to let their dogs out at lunch. Crating them as puppies is really about keeping them safe and your house safe while they are young, as they mature you can start giving them more and more freedom as they earn it/show they can handle it. I've never had to crate an adult dog at night so I wouldn't worry about it, once they're old enough to be protecting your home they'll probably be out of the crate :)