Cafib 35th anniversary show

[chuckorlando]

mx Fila threads are always the best. ahahaha. I often wonder how many folks are just reading along

 

[mountainfila]

mx Fila threads are always the best. ahahaha. I often wonder how many folks are just reading along

Almost 20 000 views, i would say a few hahahahahaha wants some :dramacorn::sign0087:

 

[dogman#1]

Why dont all male lions have Black manes? ... American Scientist - The Magazine of Sigma XI, The Scientific Research Society
... hmmm, what do scientists and thermo equipment prove??? NOTHING! cause you have a black fila and you know that they are better than non blacks, right? well, years and years of evolution and adaptation have proven that silhouette breaking camouflage such as stripes, blotches are better than solid colors and hence the military uniforms throughout the world and multiple predator adaptations mean nothing, right? RIGHT! you got a black fila and that proves and you cant see it at night so you must be right... yea... o.k, lol. you see I dont need "BS flags" and handy dandy props I got what is called facts and those are my tools to debunk false garbage.... care to debate some more? i dont even know why i bother anymore with you guys. all I do is prove my points all day long and all you do is put smiley faces and flags that say BS on them with funny pictures and somehow you think that proves a point.. the only point you proved is that you have no facts while all I do is poat them day in and day out. your tactics work well on children like in joe camel but they dont do crap for adults.

 

[angelbears]

Is this evolution? Maybe, the standard for the lions have changed. But wait, I thought a standard should never change....I guess we all evolve and the standard is constantly changing. Which one is it?

Why dont all male lions have Black manes? ... American Scientist - The Magazine of Sigma XI, The Scientific Research Society
... hmmm, what do scientists and thermo equipment prove??? NOTHING! cause you have a black fila and you know that they are better than non blacks, right? well, years and years of evolution and adaptation have proven that silhouette breaking camouflage such as stripes, blotches are better than solid colors and hence the military uniforms throughout the world and multiple predator adaptations mean nothing, right? RIGHT! you got a black fila and that proves and you cant see it at night so you must be right... yea... o.k, lol. you see I dont need "BS flags" and handy dandy props I got what is called facts and those are my tools to debunk false garbage.... care to debate some more? i dont even know why i bother anymore with you guys. all I do is prove my points all day long and all you do is put smiley faces and flags that say BS on them with funny pictures and somehow you think that proves a point.. the only point you proved is that you have no facts while all I do is poat them day in and day out. your tactics work well on children like in joe camel but they dont do crap for adults.

 

[chuckorlando]

You aint proved shit juan. We have seen the vids of your holy grail cafib filas. Try as you might, even you eventualy admited they were not great. Even though ever one but you thinks they were straight up shitty, we will take your "not great"

You claim you study blacks and they aint typie. I posted links of blacks from all over the us, brazil, and mexico all looking very typie.

You claim black lions go steril from heat, the actual link states they areborn as such from in breeding

You claim brindle hides better than black. Yet I have both(you dont) and I know and could even take pics to prove you dont now what your saying

you claim nagan would be throwng black pups. Yet the links clearly state thats not how it works.

you claim that the color aint the issue and there could be a black to pass you just aint seen it. Then say nagan would have to throw traits cause all blacks throw traits

you claim a dog cant look like and act like and so it is. Then say each dog muct pass on it's own. Making sure it looks like and acts like.

you claim inbreeding and line breeding is not the case in cafib. Till slim makes it make since then all of a sudden it's all the rage.

you claim cafib breeds and passes the best only. Well we all seen the vid

you claim black cant heard, yet many hearders are black ad some how dark brindles are fine. Even you said one stripe makes it brindle

you claim no cafibs breed for money, yet the largest fila breeder in the world is cafib.

I aint positive what exactly your proving here but I dont think it's your point. ahahahahaha

 

[aceoutdoor]

i dont even know why i bother anymore with you guys.

We smell what your stepping in, we're just not buying what your selling. Nobody likes shit sandwiches.

 

[dogman#1]

Ace, then stop making them

 

[dogman#1]

Is this evolution? Maybe, the standard for the lions have changed. But wait, I thought a standard should never change....I guess we all evolve and the standard is constantly changing. Which one is it?

Angel, you are too funny girl. Lions with a black mane and ones w/ light manes.... really? You guys will try to dismiss this as I proved my point yet again that the color black absorbs heat more than lighter colors.. but wait, didnt we learn that in the 1st grade? you guys claimed you couldnt possibly find that information.. I found it in about 6 seconds, were you guys even trying? I have been in the Army for over 18years, been all over the world and have trained and served with the military forces from multiple countries.. guess how many of them had solid uniforms? NONE. Again, I prove my points over and over and over but it doesnt count because I said it, and it disproves everything you have heard, right? well keep posting up crap and I will keep debunking it.

 

[chuckorlando]

Oh I am not arguing that black tanks are better than cammo. Cammo is deff the better choice. But to broad stroke stament that brindle is just better then black aint correct either. I can think of places duke would hide better. Just like I can find places kona would hide better. Just like some places a white tank may be better than a green tank.

Your problem is almost never your 100% wrong, it's that your not 100% right. But insist there is no flaw to your theory.

 

[dogman#1]

lol, chuck. you guys claimed that the color black wont absorb that much heat, I proved that it did (but we all knew that since the 1st grade). you THINK you posted "typie" blacks but they are not. Im sorry did you see the thermographic readings from the blacks? did you read where it said that they are less active due to the excess absorbed heat? guys, what happens w/ sperm count when body temperature rises? anyone, anyone? lack of mobility, lowered and abnormal sperm, etc. again you shouldve learned that by your 1st year of high school. Brindle patterns break up a silhouette, known fact and really no more reason to discuss an obvious, known fact. I though Nagan would and when evidence (that I found and posted) proved that to be wrong I stated it.. (see I can admit when Im wrong) and the fact that he would still throw mixed bred traits and so would his pups is further proof that he wasnt mixed bred. YES, ALL BLACK "FILAS" throw mixed bred traits, this could be corrected but when you breed papers instead of dogs it is impossible. A Fila must act and look like a Fila AND pass those same traits. the problem with this is that no matter what the dog looks like it is a fila to u guys. INBREEDING/LINEBREEDING IS NOT rampant in CAFIB and I proved that too. I Believe that linebreeding is an important tool and MUST be used to lock in traits. not true, I have never said that CAFIB passes only the best NEVER SAID THAT. I said they pass pure bred dogs good or bad however those bad ones get restrictions or can be disqualified IF they just have too many general faults. Oh brother.. yes 1 stripe does make it a brindle dog but it is still WAY out of standard and for heat purposes it might as well be black... never said anything about blacks not herding, you just made that up. The largest CAFIB breeder is Itanhandu... those folks are rich w/o dogs lol. they probably lose money with their set up and if they do make something it is probably not worth mentioning. So, instead of making crap up that I never said or twisting what I have said why dont you read what I wrote and learn something... Guess I proved EVERY single point I made. good try bud.

 

[chuckorlando]

I never not once, ever, not one time, ever said black dont absorb more heat. Ever.

 

[chuckorlando]

are you saying africans cant have kids Juan? Dont do that

 

[angelbears]

Angel, you are too funny girl. Lions with a black mane and ones w/ light manes.... really? You guys will try to dismiss this as I proved my point yet again that the color black absorbs heat more than lighter colors.. but wait, didnt we learn that in the 1st grade? you guys claimed you couldnt possibly find that information.. I found it in about 6 seconds, were you guys even trying? I have been in the Army for over 18years, been all over the world and have trained and served with the military forces from multiple countries.. guess how many of them had solid uniforms? NONE. Again, I prove my points over and over and over but it doesnt count because I said it, and it disproves everything you have heard, right? well keep posting up crap and I will keep debunking it.

Juan, you must be a short little guy to have such a Napoleon Complex...LOL

I never brought up black and it's ability to absorb heat or not. My point is things evolve, in simpler terms, things change. If I remember right and I'm not saying I do because I don't hang on every word of this thread. I do read each post but only for the *shits and grins*. Back to the point, I believe one of your bitches is that CBKC is changing the standard yet again.

Things do change. So, cheer up! There is hope for future little Juan's out there!

I don't have a black fila. I have friends in CAFIB. No one here seems to even hate CAFIB....What could it be that makes people respond so negatively?

 

[tojvan]

Dogman it is true that black absorbs more heat; I'm pretty sure everyone has worn a black shirt on a hot sunny day, you feel like your getting cooked. Now my pup is dark brindle much of his body is black with golden stripes from ribs to the tip of tail and little on head.

Last week me my shepherd and the pup went for a 2hour walk at noon( too lazy decided to sleep in). The twerp is soo athletic that regular walks don't cut it so what we did was we,d sprint for 100m followed by another 100m of jog then walk for 1 minute then the same thing over and over again. By the end of it my shepherd is half dead I'm panting and the pup seemed lethargic. So I'm grinning to myself thinking he's tired and I can relax when I get home, was I wrong. All of a sudden he had one of his attacks and he's jumping all over bowzer, zig zagging. So I take him to an enclosed park and before you know it he's running all over the place all the while I'm thinking WTF. I swear was that a shock and he's a heavy pup around 100pounds at 6 months. My shepherd is a solid working dog his prey drive is huge he would chase the ball even if he was dead tired, he would be soo tired that his tongue would be literally falling out of his mouth but he refuses to sit down. To this day I have never seen him lay down outside the house; bowzer was tired after the walk but trigger he's just insane and 2/3 of his body is covered in black, the heat didn't seem to bother him.

 

[chuckorlando]

Kona dont chill out either, she just keeps moving up and down and all around the fence line.

 

[dogman#1]

chuck, this thread is following into what we were discussing, the black not being as workable in the enviroment that Filas worked and the lack of proof of the theory that people kept fawn filas to work in the fields and let the black filas out at night cause they were harder to see. u can have as many black dogs as you want and they may even be invisible to you however it isnt your opinion against mine, a pattern will ALWAYS break up a sillohuette better than a solid and when a sillohuette is broken up it is mad eharder to see. let me ask you something, if you let your dog out and someone came anywhere near your property what would happen? do they go nuts, hit the fence, bark, shreik, etc? now does it matter how good you can see it or not? you know they are there, day or night, the theory itself has absolutely no bases in truth at all. BTW Please dont act foolish with bringing up Africans for God's sake. the black gene in hair and the pigmentation on people are 2 completely diff things. black people have extra pigment in their skil to protect them against the sun, their hair is in such a way to dissipate heat more quickly...a dog has fur and that protects the skin from the sun, the color of the fur has nothing to do with it.

 

[dogman#1]

tojvan.. your pup is 6 mths old and 100lbs???? forget about the color of its fur you got other issues. what are you feeding him?

Angel, I have CAFIB and non CAFIB friends and we actually hang out... no one gets butt hurt in any circle with both types more than in this group. I dont believe I am being received negatively as I get tons of PMs from people stating that they have learned alot from my posts and that it is obvious that I AM THE ONE THAT IS BEING ATTACKED... interesting huh? you guys can call names, put up stupid lil pictures, smiley faces with signs and even lil flag posts and claim victory after victory and bitch and complain how horrible i am for stating facts... so maybe it is you guys that are being ill received.... take your heads out of the sand and try to read through your garbage every once in awhile and see how you come off. (BTW this was not directed at you per say but you are def. included in it)

 

[chuckorlando]

I bet for every pm you have I have at least one person tell me your being an ass.

It is not true that a pattern breaks it up. The right pattern in the right location breaks it up.

I never not one time said black dogs dont take heat. What I said is if a dark ass brindle can do it so can a black.

If someone jumped my fence in the front and kona is in the back, she would almost certainly not bark a lick but rather strike out running till she reached them or a fence. Then bark

Clearly you need help with jokes. Maybe from now on when I joke I will explain it's a joke for you. FYI, the African thing was a joke. ha ha ha.

If I have said it 1 time I have said it 10 times. There is no "you guy's" One person mentions something you dont want to hear, it's always "you guy's" I try not to put your words in girldogue mouth as she did not say your words. But if Mountain say's something it becomes "you guy's"

 

[aceoutdoor]

(BTW this was not directed at you per say but you are def. included in it)

AB your not the problem but your damn sure are part of it. HAHAHAHAHAHA Get your head out of the sand. LOL

 

[mountainfila]

lol, chuck. you guys claimed that the color black wont absorb that much heat, I proved that it did (but we all knew that since the 1st grade). you THINK you posted "typie" blacks but they are not. Im sorry did you see the thermographic readings from the blacks? did you read where it said that they are less active due to the excess absorbed heat? guys, what happens w/ sperm count when body temperature rises? anyone, anyone? lack of mobility, lowered and abnormal sperm, etc. again you shouldve learned that by your 1st year of high school. Brindle patterns break up a silhouette, known fact and really no more reason to discuss an obvious, known fact. I though Nagan would and when evidence (that I found and posted) proved that to be wrong I stated it.. (see I can admit when Im wrong) and the fact that he would still throw mixed bred traits and so would his pups is further proof that he wasnt mixed bred. YES, ALL BLACK "FILAS" throw mixed bred traits, this could be corrected but when you breed papers instead of dogs it is impossible. A Fila must act and look like a Fila AND pass those same traits. the problem with this is that no matter what the dog looks like it is a fila to u guys. INBREEDING/LINEBREEDING IS NOT rampant in CAFIB and I proved that too. I Believe that linebreeding is an important tool and MUST be used to lock in traits. not true, I have never said that CAFIB passes only the best NEVER SAID THAT. I said they pass pure bred dogs good or bad however those bad ones get restrictions or can be disqualified IF they just have too many general faults. Oh brother.. yes 1 stripe does make it a brindle dog but it is still WAY out of standard and for heat purposes it might as well be black... never said anything about blacks not herding, you just made that up. The largest CAFIB breeder is Itanhandu... those folks are rich w/o dogs lol. they probably lose money with their set up and if they do make something it is probably not worth mentioning. So, instead of making crap up that I never said or twisting what I have said why dont you read what I wrote and learn something... Guess I proved EVERY single point I made. good try bud.

Nobody is denying that black absorbs heat but i was proving to you that black maned lions were not sterile from the heat of the sun but from inbreeding and the black maned lion was proved to be a prolific reproducer. As far as them getting hotter then thinner lighter maned lion, thats just common sense Juan no need to look up info on that. Sorry but it would take more then a lions body heating up to damage his sperm, maybe if his sack was hanging a tub of hot hot water over and over and over again THEN the sperm would be damaged. And they are less active period, theiy are males lol they let the lionesses do all the work just like in any species.

Inbreeding/linebreeding is used all the time, they can not stop using it because if they went outside of that bloodline they would not get the results they are looking for, linebreeding is inbreeding no matter how you look at it, when does it become inbred instead of linebred??

Juan do you even read what i write?? You said black dogs wouldnt be good herding dogs in the hot sun and i gave you dogs that are black and excel at herding in the blazing hot sun, and have been used for many many many years, why are they black?

I can tell you from seeing pictures of Itanhanduh's place back then till now LOL that they were not what they are today without the sale of those puppies. Thats why they charge 2500 a pup, they got what 70ish filas is what was said, thats alot of dog food.

I have never twisted your words or put words in your mouth nor has anyone else for that matter, i speak for myself and no one else and if i feel something you are saying is not correct i am going to voice my opinion :biggrin2: