stud fee???

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Working dogs aren't off the hook completely its easy to rig that system too. Plus people have their own preferences of a "working" dog.

I just find it odd that people won't buy a certain color, crop/won't crop, because a judge "won't like it" or its not "favorable" in the ring. I always thought it was the dogs interest not he judge(s). I've seen some of CH that judges pick and IMO some of them look....yikes. Just gives me the atmosphere of a art show...

Overall there is NO hiding a BAD dog conformation or workwise

 

[Robtouw]

I doubt that you will have many takers on breeding with a stud fee without several indicators that breeders usually require. Personally when choosing a pup from someone I require that the sire and dam both be registered, pedigrees available, pretested for OHA Hips, PRA, Cystinuria and provide an overall health statement from their vet. I also have my vet call and speak to the vet that is providing the care. Males with all of the requirements listed above usually have a stud fee (in our area) of $1000 and up.

I have not bred any of my OEM's and will not breed my current pup. I chose a companion pup and his characteristics are not exceptional for breeding, he has a spectacular personality, but keeping the mastiff breed lines pure are important.

I have bred in the past, one of my Czech Rotti's and it was an extremely difficult venture. As luck would have it, I met an owner with a female Czec from the same breeder that had moved to NY by accident. The man was working in the USA for a year on visa and brought his girl with him and planned to return to Czechlovakia the next year. He paid $3500 in stud fees, paid for the vet ck which included xrays of hips, blood testing, PRA, vaginal testing for the female and health exams. It took several months to make the arrangements and meet all expected requirements. He also paid for my transit from NC to NY and for the host resort that provided the studding room and for positive pregnancy testing via blood spec.

My boy bit the dam on the second day of trials and I had to pay for stitches! That was funny! They had a litter of 10 pups, 6 males and 4 females. I kept a Male and he took the others back to Czec, they were presold at 12 weeks for $3200 each. I never met another person with the same type of line, and it was such an event that I really did not want to. Breeding should always be done responsibly with the breed standard in mind and with everything geared towards a positive outcome for the pups and the dogs that are going to be bred. Please research what you need to do in order to keep the integrity of the breed in tact if you choose to breed.

 

[TN Dogues]

Sometimes people are just being polite when they say things like how sweet he is...

If you truly want to stud your dog, and care about the breed then I would make sure he has papers. Then take him to several shows and talk to other breeders. See how he compares to other EMs. If he is a good representation of the breed, then he will do well. The goal isn't to get a championship title - it's to see how good your dog is compared to other dogs - to see if he's breeding quality.

THEN, I would have the recommended health testing done. Hips, elbows, eyes, heart, etc. OH and don't forget BRUCELLOSIS. That test will be needed REGULARLY if you plan to stud him. (It's a sexually transmitted disease and a good bitch owner will want proof that your stud has tested negative for it.)

Finally, what to charge as a stud fee??? That was your question.

For an unproven stud (that has not yet produced a litter) you might get $150-250. Why? He's not titled, working titled, or champion sired. No pups to prove that he produces good offspring. Many studs are desirable because of the quality of their pups.

Of course, as he wins titles and has a few litters his stud fee would rise. Remember, a stud can be fertile longer than a female. So, at two he is still young - but by 5 or 6 he will be at his prime.

He could sire quite a few litters over his lifetime, so why rush it???

 

[jenny adams]

on breeders, breeding for the betterment of the blood line, the breeder we got are girl from know we where looking for a good strong blood line, we are going to show her if she dos well breed her, so the breeder is already looking at which dog we should pear her with, she is only 13 week, he pared her parents for there offspring's good health and strength of the blood line we have already looked at the tests she would need not just the DNA ones or tests for the inherited problems but the ones that need doing every time you put them to bread even if it do not end in a litter, that is a howl new set of tests it is not just at a whim think hard before you even start

 

[Cody]

on breeders, breeding for the betterment of the blood line, the breeder we got are girl from know we where looking for a good strong blood line, we are going to show her if she dos well breed her, so the breeder is already looking at which dog we should pear her with, she is only 13 week, he pared her parents for there offspring's good health and strength of the blood line we have already looked at the tests she would need not just the DNA ones or tests for the inherited problems but the ones that need doing every time you put them to bread even if it do not end in a litter, that is a howl new set of tests it is not just at a whim think hard before you even start

At 13 weeks the breeder ha s no idea what they are really looking at, no matter how long in the breed.
They may have an idea, but that an change quickly.
I have seen a beautiful pup, pick of the litter go to sh*t at a year, fall apart completely. Front legs buckling, straight in the stifle, no angulation, raised roachy top line... Is sad but happens all the time....
Dogs are funny, just when you think you know... BAM back to reality.

 

[jenny adams]

the paring he has in mined is just what he thinks now, he will be very involved with her up bringing and will be making the final chose when she is ready to have a litter, in is words "i think i would put her with x for her first litter but we will have to see when she is bigger" so it may be he changes his mined or not

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Cody that's so true.....even "beautiful" pups can fall apart as they mature...

 

[TN Dogues]

As for 'even beautiful pups can fall apart'...

I agree wholeheartedly. But what else is a breeder to do? You pick the best pup (at the time) and then play the wait and see game.

Not all good pups turn out to be quality breeding material. Sigh.

 

[Cody]

As for 'even beautiful pups can fall apart'...

I agree wholeheartedly. But what else is a breeder to do? You pick the best pup (at the time) and then play the wait and see game.

Not all good pups turn out to be quality breeding material. Sigh.

Absolutely!
But at 13 weeks looking at potential studs maybe a little premature.

 

[WalnutCrest]

To the OP ... the most important thing your dog (or mine, or anyone elses) is wag their tail when you come home from a bad day. If this describes you and your dog, be grateful.

Now, if your dog does this, that does not mean that your dog is worthy of pushing his genes into the next generation. Similarly, if your dog wins all sorts of titles and passes all sorts of tests does not make it worthy of passing it's genes on either. I've heard it said that the best Mastiff in the country is in someones' back yard or on someones' couch.

What I can tell you is research the breed. Read the breed standard. Read the standard again. Read it daily for a month. Look at videos of Championed EMs moving around ... read the standard and re-watch the videos. Does your dog move like these dogs do? Ask LOTS of questions from people who've been Mastiff fanciers for a LONG time. Compare pictures of one dog vs. another --- really dig in deeply to the breed standard.

What does it mean to have correct ear set?
How do you know if a dog has correctly angled shoulders?
What does hockiness really look like when standing still or on the move?
What in the world is a steep croup?

Then, you're up for researching pedigrees and genetic ailments.

I've owned Mastiffs for the better part of the last 16 years, but it was only five years ago that I started researching Mastiffs with an eye towards breeding ... and after loads of research and relationship building later, only now do I feel even remotely ready to breed.

This is not something to take lightly if you want to be taken seriously by lovers of any breed, much less the breed you chose.

Great question --- take time to ponder the answers you've been given.

 

[chuckorlando]

I do love when some ass hat talks about slapping people through the comp. And then follows it up with a lecture on respect and not posting in threads you cant be nice in.

I would never breed your stud with my bitch, cause my bitch will kick your studs ass:lolbangtable: