Stillwater vs millan or positive vs domance training

Discussion in 'Dogo Argentino' started by Jonnyboy, Aug 19, 2015.

  1. fila4me

    fila4me Well-Known Member

    I love nilf!
    I start on prong collar, I flip it around on the pups and them once they are used to it and about 6 months I flip in prongs in. My kids have actually done all the training with Maddie. They can walk her and she is amazing with them, they are 5 & 11. They even have taught her to play dead. My 5 yrs olds chores are to feed, water and let them out every day. He has been doing this since he was 2.
     
  2. Th0r

    Th0r Well-Known Member

    I agree. Mine waits when I tell him to wait but I only trained him for it so he doesn't rush in and push the kids aside. I'm more worried about running up and down the stairs with the kids and he knows to walk when I show him my palm!
    The eating thing is pure rubbish. Crap like that will only work if you are eating the same food they are too. So unless you eat dog food from a dog dish, this won't make a difference.

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  3. cj-sharpy

    cj-sharpy Well-Known Member

    I love the idea of all positive training but there are times its just not going to work.
    If your dog jumps do you reward it for not jumping or do you push it down so it knows jumping is NOT allowed.

    I like to think of it like raising kids. We all know a kid that has never been punished and by god they can be little brats.

    So I guess it depends what you're trying to achieve.
    Sit, lay down, wait till I say eat. All these things I taught with rewards and he would do them because it made me happy and he liked that.

    Unfortunately I took on a dog that was badly bite trained by his past owner (a drug dealer that wanted a big scary dog behind the door so he didn't get robbed) and positive training just wasn't going to work.
    So Max had to be shown that calmness and love got him rewards but aggression towards people would get repurcusions.

    Never hit him once but a sharp collar pop was enough to make him realise he didn't like them and associate them with the bad behaviour.

    I'd say the best method is to pick and choose from both schools of thought what works for you and the dog.


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  4. scorning

    scorning Well-Known Member

    I agree that it depends on the dog and what you are trying to train. With puppies and other dogs with no training, I start obedience training with a regular buckle collar and all positive methods. If that works, great, no need to add anything else. Once the puppy/dog knows the commands (has demonstrated this in multiple places, proofed for distance, duration, distraction) I add corrections. If this works on a flat collar, great. However, due to size/temperament of my dogs, flat collar usually doesn't suffice and I move to a prong collar. Finn made this transition when he was over 100lbs, he was probably 7 months old or so and was in his third round of training.

    For barn hunt, nose work, and agility, all my training is positive. For trick training at home, I use a clicker and all positive training. My distinction is probably that obedience training is a must for control and safety, and I am fine giving corrections to obtain those goals. All the other training is for fun, and I am not willing to correct for that. If the dog isn't having fun doing those things, what is the point? For context, I currently own two dogs, an exuberant 1 year old Dane, and a 8ish dog reactive Doberman.
     
  5. DDSK

    DDSK Well-Known Member

    I would rather watch Victoria Stilwell because I think she's hot with that british accent ;)
     
  6. DDSK

    DDSK Well-Known Member

    And yes I know how shallow I am!
     
  7. Th0r

    Th0r Well-Known Member

    She didn't know what a DDB was till she met one at the dog show!

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  8. Yamizuma

    Yamizuma Well-Known Member

    I say what works is going to depend on the dog. The least aggressive approach is the best place to start, but let's face facts, with a dog that is bigger, stronger and more determined and focused than me at times...we fur parents need to look at the entire spectrum of corrections and do what is right. Wouldn't it be great if there was one right way? Too bad we live in a world with lots of variety and variables! Oh wait..no....I like that...it's more interesting and fun!


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  9. Cwright2003

    Cwright2003 Member

    My dogo is now 1.5 years old and has reached the asshole stage. Sometimes. She's still super sweet at home but when out and about I'm seeing the asshole from time to time. If you don't mind me asking, what is your training method that enables you to walk so many large dogs at the same time?? I have to walk my dogo and my Akita separately unless I use a walking tool of some sort because the dogo will PUUULLLL. My Akita is now 6 and won't pull like she used to, but I still can't walk them together without tools without looking like I'm the sled and they're the sled dogs.
     

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