Stillwater vs millan or positive vs domance training

[fila4me]

I love nilf!
I start on prong collar, I flip it around on the pups and them once they are used to it and about 6 months I flip in prongs in. My kids have actually done all the training with Maddie. They can walk her and she is amazing with them, they are 5 & 11. They even have taught her to play dead. My 5 yrs olds chores are to feed, water and let them out every day. He has been doing this since he was 2.

 

[Th0r]

And let me clarify something because the post won't let me edit (grrrr), Making a dog wait at the door is important for impulse control training. I don't believe it shows you as the alpha, it teaches the dog it needs to be respectful of thresholds.

I agree. Mine waits when I tell him to wait but I only trained him for it so he doesn't rush in and push the kids aside. I'm more worried about running up and down the stairs with the kids and he knows to walk when I show him my palm!
The eating thing is pure rubbish. Crap like that will only work if you are eating the same food they are too. So unless you eat dog food from a dog dish, this won't make a difference.

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[cj-sharpy]

I love the idea of all positive training but there are times its just not going to work.
If your dog jumps do you reward it for not jumping or do you push it down so it knows jumping is NOT allowed.

I like to think of it like raising kids. We all know a kid that has never been punished and by god they can be little brats.

So I guess it depends what you're trying to achieve.
Sit, lay down, wait till I say eat. All these things I taught with rewards and he would do them because it made me happy and he liked that.

Unfortunately I took on a dog that was badly bite trained by his past owner (a drug dealer that wanted a big scary dog behind the door so he didn't get robbed) and positive training just wasn't going to work.
So Max had to be shown that calmness and love got him rewards but aggression towards people would get repurcusions.

Never hit him once but a sharp collar pop was enough to make him realise he didn't like them and associate them with the bad behaviour.

I'd say the best method is to pick and choose from both schools of thought what works for you and the dog.


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[scorning]

I agree that it depends on the dog and what you are trying to train. With puppies and other dogs with no training, I start obedience training with a regular buckle collar and all positive methods. If that works, great, no need to add anything else. Once the puppy/dog knows the commands (has demonstrated this in multiple places, proofed for distance, duration, distraction) I add corrections. If this works on a flat collar, great. However, due to size/temperament of my dogs, flat collar usually doesn't suffice and I move to a prong collar. Finn made this transition when he was over 100lbs, he was probably 7 months old or so and was in his third round of training.

For barn hunt, nose work, and agility, all my training is positive. For trick training at home, I use a clicker and all positive training. My distinction is probably that obedience training is a must for control and safety, and I am fine giving corrections to obtain those goals. All the other training is for fun, and I am not willing to correct for that. If the dog isn't having fun doing those things, what is the point? For context, I currently own two dogs, an exuberant 1 year old Dane, and a 8ish dog reactive Doberman.

 

[DDSK]

I would rather watch Victoria Stilwell because I think she's hot with that british accent

 

[DDSK]

And yes I know how shallow I am!

 

[Th0r]

She didn't know what a DDB was till she met one at the dog show!

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[Yamizuma]

I say what works is going to depend on the dog. The least aggressive approach is the best place to start, but let's face facts, with a dog that is bigger, stronger and more determined and focused than me at times...we fur parents need to look at the entire spectrum of corrections and do what is right. Wouldn't it be great if there was one right way? Too bad we live in a world with lots of variety and variables! Oh wait..no....I like that...it's more interesting and fun!


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[Cwright2003]

I use whatever method works for my dog. Some positive and some "dominant". Dogos are no joke and some become assholes around a year and a half. Knowing your dog plays a huge patt. My dogs are never hit or any ting like that , but I have breeds that can kill a person just for stepping in their invisible circle of what they consider theirs. I love my dogs and don't want to jeopardize their livelyhood because some idiot got to close and I can't control my dog. Hope that comes across the way I meant it.
My dogs know I am serious when I tell them to do something. They know if they don't their are consequences . Any who encounter me with my 2 Filas will thank god I don't pussy foot around.
Using my training I could safely walk my 2 Filas, 3 Dogos, 2 Eng. Springers and Pit Bull anywhere safely and controlled. Sometimes even laughing at the person passing me getting dragged by their Lab

My dogo is now 1.5 years old and has reached the asshole stage. Sometimes. She's still super sweet at home but when out and about I'm seeing the asshole from time to time. If you don't mind me asking, what is your training method that enables you to walk so many large dogs at the same time?? I have to walk my dogo and my Akita separately unless I use a walking tool of some sort because the dogo will PUUULLLL. My Akita is now 6 and won't pull like she used to, but I still can't walk them together without tools without looking like I'm the sled and they're the sled dogs.