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News about the black boerboel

leona2025

leona2025

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So if the black dogs were all gathered up and named a different breed would their be an objection? Are people wanting the black dog to just disappear or be a separate breed? It seems to me if all dog breeds start off as mixes and once they breed true to self they can begin the process of becoming a recognized breed right? So all the would have to do is come up with a name for their new breed?

If we are strictly talking about look the breed various from line to line like the cane corso.

I'm just curious. I don't have a bb ,but if I were to purchase one lack of acceptance would not deter me. I love Mid Atlantic's Onyx.

I don't really understand what the objection is. I know you say the are not a representation of what the original breeders were creating, but I'm pretty sure the same can be said about current day german shepherds and English bulldogs.
 
Bob Felts

Bob Felts

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leona2025 said:
So if the black dogs were all gathered up and named a different breed would their be an objection? Are people wanting the black dog to just disappear or be a separate breed? It seems to me if all dog breeds start off as mixes and once they breed true to self they can begin the process of becoming a recognized breed right? So all the would have to do is come up with a name for their new breed?
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So, I'm not a breeder, or even really dog savvy. Still, I think the point is introducing some Corgi genetics into the Doberman line, and trying to stabilize the mix, then making up a name, or saying this is a purebred Doberman, is unacceptable. Pardon the hyperbole, but I think the same objection is made with the introduction of black into the BB bloodlines. If mom isn't purebred BB, and Papa isn't purebread BB, the litter sure as heck won't be. I'd prefer to know what I'm buying, and not be suckered into the extra coin for a "rare" black BB. If I get BB x Std. Poodle, don't con me and claim the line is "pure."
 
DMikeM

DMikeM

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@dwanjuan
Start here. https://www.facebook.com/groups/boerboelpolitics/

@Leona
The objection is, that the breed was complete. proper health, appearance, drive and temperament. Then someone added another breed into the standard without reason other than money in the pocket. Once a standard is set mixing the breed is not desired unless there is a specific reason to possibly correct a defect or health issue. This is what separates mutts from pure breed dogs.

I think the people that own, love and want to breed black mastiffs should indeed break away from the Boerboel and make their own breed. Although I know that S Africa will not allow something like Swart Boerboel or any name that contains the word boerboel. Now Swartboel would be a good choice. Swart is black in Dutch/afrikaans and Boel is dog.
 
DMikeM

DMikeM

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Bob Felts said:
So, I'm not a breeder, or even really dog savvy. Still, I think the point is introducing some Corgi genetics into the Doberman line, and trying to stabilize the mix, then making up a name, or saying this is a purebred Doberman, is unacceptable. Pardon the hyperbole, but I think the same objection is made with the introduction of black into the BB bloodlines. If mom isn't purebred BB, and Papa isn't purebread BB, the litter sure as heck won't be. I'd prefer to know what I'm buying, and not be suckered into the extra coin for a "rare" black BB. If I get BB x Std. Poodle, don't con me and claim the line is "pure."
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Perfect and on point. I don't want a bandogge if I am purchasing a Boerboel. I can get cross breeds for $50.00 all day at the pet store or dog pound.
 
ayecaps

ayecaps

Active Member
This is awesome, now if we could only get this type of action on bandogges being passed off as pure apbts! Lol


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TWW

TWW

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ayecaps said:
This is awesome, now if we could only get this type of action on bandogges being passed off as pure apbts! Lol


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Actually that battle s currently being fought.
I'll look for the article and pm you when I find it.
Since the huge fan base for "Hulk" on youtube, it has shown a big light on the matter and several org are currently kicking them, believe the largest is facing the matter in court after legal action was brought to try and keep some in.
 
dwanjuan

dwanjuan

Member
DMikeM said:
@dwanjuan
Start here. https://www.facebook.com/groups/boerboelpolitics/

@Leona
The objection is, that the breed was complete. proper health, appearance, drive and temperament. Then someone added another breed into the standard without reason other than money in the pocket. Once a standard is set mixing the breed is not desired unless there is a specific reason to possibly correct a defect or health issue. This is what separates mutts from pure breed dogs.

I think the people that own, love and want to breed black mastiffs should indeed break away from the Boerboel and make their own breed. Although I know that S Africa will not allow something like Swart Boerboel or any name that contains the word boerboel. Now Swartboel would be a good choice. Swart is black in Dutch/afrikaans and Boel is dog.
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thanks for the info

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Boxergirl

Boxergirl

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Bob Felts said:
So, I'm not a breeder, or even really dog savvy. Still, I think the point is introducing some Corgi genetics into the Doberman line, and trying to stabilize the mix, then making up a name, or saying this is a purebred Doberman, is unacceptable. Pardon the hyperbole, but I think the same objection is made with the introduction of black into the BB bloodlines. If mom isn't purebred BB, and Papa isn't purebread BB, the litter sure as heck won't be. I'd prefer to know what I'm buying, and not be suckered into the extra coin for a "rare" black BB. If I get BB x Std. Poodle, don't con me and claim the line is "pure."
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It's funny that you chose the Corgi as an example. In the early 90's an attempt was made to breed a natural bob tailed boxer. They crossed a corgi with a boxer. The results were interesting and there did end up being dogs that had natural bob tails and looked just like boxers. It was quite the controversy in the Boxer world. A search for bob tailed boxer brings up Bruce Cattanach's journey, pictures included. It's very interesting. At the time I don't recall a single breeder that supported this cross. The cross wasn't done for health issues, it was done for aesthetic reasons.

I completely agree with what Mike said and, IMO, it goes for any breed:

"The objection is, that the breed was complete. proper health, appearance, drive and temperament. Then someone added another breed into the standard without reason other than money in the pocket. Once a standard is set mixing the breed is not desired unless there is a specific reason to possibly correct a defect or health issue. This is what separates mutts from pure breed dogs."




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AZ Boerboel

AZ Boerboel

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leona2025 said:
So if the black dogs were all gathered up and named a different breed would their be an objection? Are people wanting the black dog to just disappear or be a separate breed? It seems to me if all dog breeds start off as mixes and once they breed true to self they can begin the process of becoming a recognized breed right? So all the would have to do is come up with a name for their new breed?

If we are strictly talking about look the breed various from line to line like the cane corso.

I'm just curious. I don't have a bb ,but if I were to purchase one lack of acceptance would not deter me. I love Mid Atlantic's Onyx.

I don't really understand what the objection is. I know you say the are not a representation of what the original breeders were creating, but I'm pretty sure the same can be said about current day german shepherds and English bulldogs.
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The Black dog is simply not a full blooded Boerboel anymore by the standard and a Boerboel Breeder can't have black genes if he is to call the pups Boerboel. Fair enough to me.

Current day German Shepherds and english bulldogs are F'd up genetic duds compared to their ancestors due entirely to poor breeding practices and following physical appearance trends rather than health and temperament genes. I would assume that is part of what is trying to be avoided by not allowing certain bloodlines to remain.
My BB is an Ultra Brindle but does have Black genes in her so that puts me on "The wrong side of the fence"
so to speak, but I agree with the decision for the overall betterment of the Boerboel. There needs to be a firm standard otherwise we'll end up with a bunch of lame, worthless dogs.
Thankfully black is now simply a disqualifying color and not a known marker of genetic issues like some other colors are like Blue and White Creams. I believe that "White Cream" Boerboels are the biggest genetic landline of them all and need to be eliminated completely as they have the potential to cripple the breed down the road. I would cull every last one if I was a breeder and would stop breeding the dogs I had that throw that color.
 
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