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New to the home - Two Presa/Pit Mix Puppies

Hello everyone, I'm new to the forums and have been reading as much as possible. Two weeks ago my husband and I brought two wonderful little Presa/Pit mix puppies home. (Went to pick up one, of course I fell in love with another and came up with the genius idea to bring two home instead.:eek:)

Man are these pups smart! They are 10 weeks old and are doing great with potty training, learning basic commands of come, sit, stay, just started working on eye contact and heel yesterday. My question is does anyone have experience raising two of these at once? We have experience raising pups, just not at the same time, and this is the first time we've had this breed. Is it a bad idea to raise two of the same age together? I know it may sound stupid to ask, but on other sites I've read nothing but bad things about raising two pups at the same time, and of course everyone who knows nothing about the breed has awful things to say about them in general. SO, I came here hoping to get some advice from people who actually know something, even if you have to tell me that it's not a good idea and I'll have to find a new home for one of them (as much as I wouldn't want to, I do want them to have good lives.)

Loki is the fawn - Female 13.5lbs Bjorn is the brindle - Male 17.5 lbs
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(Hard to get a picture of them holding still while looking at me...)
 

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raechiemay

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Welcome! What beautiful babies you have!! My opinion is, it's going to take twice the amount of work but it's not un-doable. Make sure you spend equal amount of time training the puppies separately. I don't have too many suggestions other than if you & your husband are dedicated to making it work, it will. Obedience training will be a huge thing for them & with a mix of dominant breeds I can't stress this enough. Also, socialize, socialize, socialize! When the pups have at least 2 sets of vaccines, get them out & expose them to everything. I think you guys are capable of handling it & you've come to the right place for advice. :)
 

Lukasdad

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Will be frustrating at times but thank for keeping brother and sister together out of my friends dogs litter of 8 he managed to home 6 off them amongst our friends him keeping a male and female with the mother his way we all keep in touch with oneanother. Only problems he has had is with the dingy mode if there having too much fun together . I find that as there still with there mum they have that pack attitude when playing with they others they work together at dominating and pestering the others .
I have another dog who is much older and not as playful so he doesn't get to play with her but as he is older now he doesn't pester her as much . Yours will happily play together no doubt ? I so nearly took another sibling at time but wasn't meant to be ..The thought now if I had is laughable as some moments with luka were very testing to think how it could have been with 2 lol but you will experience it all yourselves and smile and cringe for many years to come .
The hard part if you tell 1 off the other thinks they've done something wrong and 1 will be more of a roaster than the other so plenty of 1 to 1 I would think is advisable.
I smile at the thought of what you're going to come up against just remember that there pups and even if uve had plenty pups you sort of forget how hard it can be lol
But well done you's they look adorable keep up the post and add pictures of there growth and share your frustrations because it does help and you will learn plenty on this forum
Dont want to start new discussion but what you will have to think hard about is that most advise not to get a dog dressed or neutered too early but keeping brother and sister together I'd think you'd have to be very carefull once the bitch gets into season but all that aside my advice is go for it keep them together bond and may they become your bestest dogs ever :)
 
Quick question, and thanks all for being so welcoming. How rough is "normal" puppy play? I've noticed they do stop wrestling when one yelps in pain and I do know that this is the stage where they need to learn the boundries of how hard they can bite... BUT, I sometimes wonder if they are being too rough.

Oh yeah, and we have already started socializing :D So far they are getting along great with other dogs and humans.
 
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Smart_Family

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Quick question, and thanks all for being so welcoming. How rough is "normal" puppy play? I've noticed they do stop wrestling when one yelps in pain and I do know that this is the stage where they need to learn the boundries of how hard they can bite... BUT, I sometimes wonder if they are being too rough.

Oh yeah, and we have already started socializing :D So far they are getting along great with other dogs and humans.
Sounds like normal puppy play. Our two girls aren't litter mates, or even both mastiffs but they are about 9 months apart and have always played like that. It looks bad now that they are 2 and almost 3 but it's all play.
 

musicdeb

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Welcome aboard~ Double he trouble, double the fun! You will see the puppies play pretty rough. It's normal.

Hope this helps you out with the pups.

Congrats on your new family member~

The following tips/suggestions are based on my experience as a dog mommy, forum member’s posts and volunteering at an animal shelter for a year.

*CRATE THE PUP

You want to crate train the pup. Make sure you have a blanket, stuffed animal (about their size) and white noise (ticking clock or ipod with soft music) so the pup can sleep. The pup is used to cuddling with siblings.

*SECURE THE PUP NEAR THE FAMILY

You want to keep the pup in a room with a family member. Mastiffs need to be near their family members.

*FOOD

Find out what kind of food the shelter/rescue/breeder was feeding the pup and continue to feed it to the pup until you transition to a newer food, if you want. Most shelters/rescues use the cheapest food, meaning it is not very good for the pup.

Slow transition to the new food is as follows to prevent diarrhea. If at any time during the transition, the pup has diarrhea return to previous amounts of food per feeding.

Amount per feeding:

Day 1-4 ¾ cup of old food and ¼ cup of new food.

Day 5-9 ½ cup of old food and ½ cup of new food.

Day 10-14 ¾ cup of new food and ¼ cup of old food

Day 15 Start 100% of new food

Generally, mastiffs are allergic to grain and chicken found in kibble. There are a number of posts on the forum regarding kibble for your new pup. Do a search for food to check them out.

You can check www.dogfoodadvisor.com www.dogfoodanalysis.com On this forum, Smart_Family is our resident food guru.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/05/31/large-dog-feeding-mistakes.aspx

You may want to check out the raw diet for your pup. Do a forum search for raw or raw diet.

Check out Dr. Becker’s videos on youtube.com for a lot of great information regarding the raw diet.

*PUP NOT EATING WHEN YOU FIRST BRING THEM HOME

They not used to their new environment and this is a natural behavior. Take the pup to a quiet place at meal times and sit and hand feed the pup. This will help the pup to eat when they are placed in a calm atmosphere, helps you to bond with the pup and helps the pup establish trust with you. As they become settled, they will naturally follow your routine.

*GETTING THE PUP USED TO THE LEASH

You want to keep the leash on the pup for a few hours each day while in the house so they gets used to it. This will help when you try to walk him outside.

*PROTECT THE PUP FROM DISEASE

Keep the pup in your yard and place newspapers down where they will walk on the ground. Keep the pup away from dog areas unless they have had their 2nd set of shots, leaving the pup prone to infection with Parvo or other illnesses. This is very important!

*HOUSE TRAINING YOUR PUP

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/house-training-your-puppy

*TRAINING YOUR PUP

Start basic commands. Train for about 5 minutes per day and slowy increase the training time. Teach one command at a time. Once they master one command, move onto another command.


Number one command is sit. Teach the pup to sit, by placing a treat in front of his head and move it to the back causing him to sit to get the treat. When the pup sits, tell them good sit and give them the treat.

Second command should be "focus/look" This will help you tremendously when the pup is over 100 lbs. Put the pup into sit. With a treat in your hand (let the pup smell it), put the treat up to your eyes and tell the pup to look or focus. They may only do this for about 1-2 seconds. As soon as they look at your eyes, tell them good look or good focus and give the treat. Some mastiffs (DDBs generally) do not like to look anyone in the eyes for long because that means a challenge to them. Titan is up to 35 seconds of looking at me.

Other commands are stay, come, leave it and drop it.

When you are training and when the pup does not do as you ask, then tell him no no no and redirect back to command in a normal voice. The only time a stern and somewhat loud NO should be used is when they are doing something that can cause harm to themselves or others.

For example, when I'm doing the look at me training with Titan. He will look at me and then his eyes will move to the left or right. I say, "no no no, look at me" and he returns to the look to my eyes.

When they do what you want them to do, get all giddy and excited and say, "Yes, good look!" I clap, giggle, and sometimes do a little dance. My dog looks at me like, really woman?

Mastiffs can be extremely stubborn and if you get frustrated with them, they will shut down. Mastiffs do not do well with yelling or hitting. Hitting can result in some unwanted mastiff behavior meaning fear aggression, which equals biting.

*EXERCISE

Puppies can exercise with natural movements and free play like running, stretching, playing on soft surfaces (grass and dirt). This type of exercise is actually healthy and good for their developing bodies but they do need to be able to pace themselves.

Structured exercise/play on hard surfaces and where they don't have they ability to pace themselves is where you need to be very careful. This type of exercise could harm the pup’s joints and bones. Puppies should not do any heavy exercise or walking for the first 1-2 years.

Stairs should be maneuvered while on leash (even in the house) especially going down the stairs. Stairs should have carpet or rubber matting to give the pup traction.

Most mastiffs (DDBs especially) can be very lazy but they still need to exercise. Puppies should not be walked for more than 15-20 minutes for the first 6-8 months and do your best to avoid heavy running or jumping for the first 1-2 years. Excessive jumping, running and long walks (1-2 hours) can cause hip, elbow, knee and joint injuries.

*PUPPY BITING/NIPPING

If you puppy is biting/nipping, then try the following. This behavior can sometimes take a lot of patience and consistency in training.

They bite because that is how they played with their siblings.
When they bite, tell them “OW” in a high-pitched voice and “NO” in a stern, calm voice. NEVER HIT OR YELL AT A MASTIFF. They will shut down on you and ignore you.
When they stop biting, tell them to sit and reward. Tell him “good sit and good no bite.”

*YOUR PUP AND HEAT

Remember, mastiffs do not tolerate heat. In the heat, reduce walk/exercise times. Have clean water available at all times. I freeze towels to either place on Titan or put on the floor for him to lie on in the summer to cool him off. Buy a kiddies’ pool for the pup to play in to keep cool.

*DE-SEXING YOUR PUP

Mastiffs should not be neutered/spayed until 18 months to 2 years. NO MATTER what the vet says. Early neutering can cause growth problems.

Enjoy your baby! Have lots of patience! The pup will reward you with love and loyalty!
 
Didn't know if I should start a new thread about this... BUT we are planning on putting up a fence in our yard next weekend. I cannot wait! Then we can have the pups outside without leashes all of the time. My question: since these are Presa/Pit mixes, they don't get extremely tall. Can I do with a 4 foot tall fence or do I have to go all out with a 6 foot tall one? I don't know if this breed are jumpers or not so much...