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New to boerboels

hw6

Member
I've owned APBT's for 12yrs. I'm now interested in owning a bigger dog. I was looking for a great family dog with protective instinct. I then found the boerboel. So many breeders I don't know how to decide. Could you guys give me any info on the following breeders: Copperhead, Great Lakes, Ohio boerboels, STL boerboels and buckeye boerboels.

Also could anybody recommend a breeder in the northeast region. Thanks
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
I don't know who in the USA to trust with the breed anymore except maybe David Harris (DKH Boerboels). I would have to ask my BB friends again which ones are in the US.

Here is MY OPINION, and of those that follow the real Boerboel standard. Any breeder that produces a black dog or has other mastiff breeds on his property should be avoided. There are no True Boerboels with a black coat. If the parents look like a Bullmastiff, Neo Mastiff, Great Dane or other mastiff breed they should be avoided. If the dogs look like pitbulls they should be avoided. If the breeder has "Boerboels" with cropped ears they should be avoided unless the ears were cropped due to injury. If the legs of the Boerboels are spread wider than the chest or bowing out they should be avoided. The legs should be under the chest and pointing fairly straight ahead. If the breeder advertises that they have dogs with great heads or great bones you should tread with care they are pushing for the "BIG" dog sell. Don't fall for it. In MY OPINION I would avoid breeders that carry lines from Caberet, Spitsvuur, and Blitzkrieg. These breeders produce dogs that are off color or black, even black and tan dogs.

A Boerboel should be big or large but light on it's feet it is not a Neo Mastiff or and English Mastiff. They are between a Neo/EM and a Cane Corso/Dogo Argentiino. They can be huge at times but must be in proportion and still be agile. Between 120 and 170 for males and 100 and 140 for females is considered in standard.

I checked the breeders you asked about and here are my opinions.

Copperhead; NO, has Black Spitsvuur dog Manega

Great Lakes; NO, has Caberet blood

Ohio Boerboels; NO, has Black dogs

STL; YES, looks okay.

Buckeye boerboels; YES/NO, Gallant Sage has Spitsvuur and Caberet, but all the other dogs are excellent
 
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DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Spitsvuur is Lukas van Vuuren the man that underhandedly introduced black dogs to the Boerboel bloodlines. He is also exporting Boerboels to China against the wishes of the legal organizations he also appraises his own dogs which would be a conflict of interest in any venue.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Right now the Registrar of South Africa does not recognize the Boerboel breed standard as presented by the SABBS formerly SABT. The standard prior to 2004 is the only recognized standard at this time and black coated dogs were disqualified on that standard. SABBS has also disqualified the Dilute coated dogs, liver, powder, blues and Isabella. This has not been approved by the Registrar of South Africa.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Really stay away from the ohio Boerboels breeder, Jordan Pittman. He is a puppy mill and caters to the Amish puppy mills in his area. I think some of his dogs come from that cross breeder Olympic Dogs.
 

karennj

Well-Known Member
DMikeM, I wish I could find the equivalent for you on bullmastiffs! My sister is trying to find a good breeder on the east coast.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
I don't follow the other breeds so much but we have members here that own BMs have you contacted any of them?
 

wagsiv

New Member
Take a look at Kerri Dale with Centurion Boerboels. I just bought a male from her a little while back and had a really great experience. There are a lot of people on here that know a lot more than I do about this breed, as I am relatively new to ownership. I did research for several years before making the commitment and everything that I found on Kerri seemed positive. She has a very clean kennel and the dogs all look very healthy and very good temperaments.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Here are a couple kennels to add.

Bandera Boerboels

Gallant Boerboels California

Proffer's Kennel HC64 Box 4660 Marble Hill, MO 63764 (573) 238-3470
 

hw6

Member
Thanks for the info DMikeM. What about these breeders. Egoli, Mid Atlantic, Middlepo, Allen's Virginia Boerboels and Mighty
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Egoli, Mighty and Middlepos are South Africa. If you are going to import consider Coomore, or Authentic Mizpah Boerboels.

Mid Atlantic breeds black dogs.
Allen's Virginia Boerboels breeds black dogs uses Spitsvuur lines. If you want a black mastiff buy a Dane, Neo or a Cane Corso. If you want a Boerboel stop looking in places that sell black dogs. They didn't exist until 2003/4 but were falsely registered as brindle boerboel by Lukas van Vuuren. Then since he was a senior board member of the SABT he initiated a campaign for a NEW Breed standard to accept his new money making designer boerboel. He got his new breed standard approved by SABT but the Minister and Registrar of South Africa never approved of such a change. Here is a quote from Johan Swart regarding the Boeboel Breed standard.

"An application was brought to have the Boerboel added as a registered breed by HBSA in 2004. This was accompanied by the 2004 Breed Standard of the HBSA. During the negotiating process, and prior to the Court ruling, the Registrar requested all organitions to work together to draw up a Breed Standard. Everybody worked together but SABT withdrew. The process continued without SABT and a Breed Standard was submitted by BI, EBBASA and KUSA. This Breed Standard was accepted by the Registrar. He later asked all organisations to again submit their individual Breed Standards. Everybody except SABT complied. The current document on which SABBS is appraising, certifying and registering dogs has NOT been accepted by the Registrar and has NO official standing. The High Court only ruled on the procedural correctness of the suspension of the licence awarded to the SABBS and made a specific note that it is not ruling on the substance of the application. The Court made NO ruling on Breed Standards or if the application in totallity was fair or to the benefit of the Breed. There are precedents set for other Breeds where the Court ruled that the Minister is the Custodian of all Breeds registered in terms of the AIA. Until the Registrar (as decsribed in the Act) rules on the SABBS Constitution, it has no official standing."

So if anyone tells you it is an accepted color of the SABBS/SABT breed standard just know that it is not a legally accepted standard. I know people that grew up with this breed since before it was named a breed and they tell me emphatically that the black boerboel did not exist. Get you a fawn, brindle or brown Boerboel if you want a Boerboel.

These are Boerboels
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These are not a boerboels
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hw6

Member
DMikeM, thanks for all the info.

I want to import but the pup cant be shipped until 16 weeks of age. So thats the decision im dealing with now.

How big should I expect a 16 week old pup to be?
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
4 months about 50 lbs I think. Odi was 22 lbs at about 9/10 weeks old. But he is a lean type. At almost 2 years old he is about 140 lbs. I'll look to see my posts here and see if I can find his weight around 4 months old.
 

hw6

Member
Egoli, Mighty and Middlepos are South Africa. If you are going to import consider Coomore, or Authentic Mizpah Boerboels.

Mid Atlantic breeds black dogs.
Allen's Virginia Boerboels breeds black dogs uses Spitsvuur lines. If you want a black mastiff buy a Dane, Neo or a Cane Corso. If you want a Boerboel stop looking in places that sell black dogs. They didn't exist until 2003/4 but were falsely registered as brindle boerboel by Lukas van Vuuren. Then since he was a senior board member of the SABT he initiated a campaign for a NEW Breed standard to accept his new money making designer boerboel. He got his new breed standard approved by SABT but the Minister and Registrar of South Africa never approved of such a change. Here is a quote from Johan Swart regarding the Boeboel Breed standard.



So if anyone tells you it is an accepted color of the SABBS/SABT breed standard just know that it is not a legally accepted standard. I know people that grew up with this breed since before it was named a breed and they tell me emphatically that the black boerboel did not exist. Get you a fawn, brindle or brown Boerboel if you want a Boerboel.

These are Boerboels
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These are not a boerboels
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Where did you get your boerboels from?
 

Lee May

New Member
Spitsvuur is Lukas van Vuuren the man that underhandedly introduced black dogs to the Boerboel bloodlines. He is also exporting Boerboels to China against the wishes of the legal organizations he also appraises his own dogs which would be a conflict of interest in any venue.
OK hw exactly is someone suppose to comment on these posts. it doesn't seem clear.
 

Lee May

New Member
Right now the Registrar of South Africa does not recognize the Boerboel breed standard as presented by the SABBS formerly SABT. The standard prior to 2004 is the only recognized standard at this time and black coated dogs were disqualified on that standard. SABBS has also disqualified the Dilute coated dogs, liver, powder, blues and Isabella. This has not been approved by the Registrar of South Africa.
Isabella has never beed excepted in any breed standard. Blue/ powder has and has always been part of the breed Just like Black BB's so Mike please stop miss informing now people as you have only been in the breed a few yrs. And was on FB asking for good breeders in USA so you could try to look good on this page. Stop the madness, The Black BB has just been blocked in the last month. And your already running with this?? Oh by the way you all need to do your own research on genetics. The internet and groups don't always tell the truth.