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Wilrob

Active Member
I didnt mean to ruffle anyones feathers or start a CAFIB vs CBKC arguement, I like the old saying of good dogs are where you find them. I know Cyrus had to be CBKC and if I could find another like him it would be amazing. Ive seen a CAFIB dog with what I thought was way to much white, to me though temperment is way more important than coloring, just my opinion though
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
I totally agree Wilrob, Temp trumps color anyday. I own both types and breed for the best regardless of color or registry and owe no allegiance to any club. I only care about Filas and finding, breeding the best. Unfortunately others care only of a club agenda disguised as bettering the breed. Your Cyrus would be automatically labeled as a mixbreed mutt that should be killed and never bred, which is wrong. When you mentioned the dog's bravery and confidence and being from Texas I guessed it came from a certain line that is hard to find, one I have great admiration for, but many HATE even though they have little to no exposure to that line because they hate the color of the dog alone as well as the breeder who incidentally introduced the breed to the USA. These same extremist are amazed at working events of the bravery of these dogs but say it was "an amazing dog, just not a Fila". Contrary to CBKC standard Filas with alot of white are fine and part of the foundation of the breed. See the difference between free thinking, experienced owners and backdeck breeders with an agenda? I take special interest in black filas because some of the most brave and strongest nerved Filas I have seen were black. Of coarse there are weak black Filas like any color. But I would be happy to track your Cyrus's line and may be able to help you find a related dog with similar traits. Truth be told Wilrob, many Cafib people are radicals, like racial supremacist who are hateful and in denial. You didn't start anything, it happens everyday in many different languages online. They have even managed to run off some off the few REAL EXPERTS in this breed in south America who integrated Cafib dogs in their program. They are idiots. Most of us try to ignore them , but sometimes you have to take a stand.
 

mountainfila

Well-Known Member
Your best bet in finding what you are looking for would be to contact Donna Watson, she doesnt breed anymore but im sure she would know where her bloodlines are and could probably put you in touch with someone.
 

Wilrob

Active Member
Your best bet in finding what you are looking for would be to contact Donna Watson, she doesnt breed anymore but im sure she would know where her bloodlines are and could probably put you in touch with someone.

I looked at her website and it doesnt look like its been maintained in awhile. What I dont understand is they got out of the Filas and started breeding/owning whippets. How in the world would you own a Fila kennel and wanna switch to another breed of dog, not to mention whippets. I have an APBT now just because I havent been in the position to be able to devote the time/money to owning another fila. But ever since Cyrus passed ive wanted another one.
 

Wilrob

Active Member
I totally agree Wilrob, Temp trumps color anyday. I own both types and breed for the best regardless of color or registry and owe no allegiance to any club. I only care about Filas and finding, breeding the best. Unfortunately others care only of a club agenda disguised as bettering the breed. Your Cyrus would be automatically labeled as a mixbreed mutt that should be killed and never bred, which is wrong. When you mentioned the dog's bravery and confidence and being from Texas I guessed it came from a certain line that is hard to find, one I have great admiration for, but many HATE even though they have little to no exposure to that line because they hate the color of the dog alone as well as the breeder who incidentally introduced the breed to the USA. These same extremist are amazed at working events of the bravery of these dogs but say it was "an amazing dog, just not a Fila". Contrary to CBKC standard Filas with alot of white are fine and part of the foundation of the breed. See the difference between free thinking, experienced owners and backdeck breeders with an agenda? I take special interest in black filas because some of the most brave and strongest nerved Filas I have seen were black. Of coarse there are weak black Filas like any color. But I would be happy to track your Cyrus's line and may be able to help you find a related dog with similar traits. Truth be told Wilrob, many Cafib people are radicals, like racial supremacist who are hateful and in denial. You didn't start anything, it happens everyday in many different languages online. They have even managed to run off some off the few REAL EXPERTS in this breed in south America who integrated Cafib dogs in their program. They are idiots. Most of us try to ignore them , but sometimes you have to take a stand.

Ace do you have a site or anywhere I can see some pictures of your dogs. Im gonna get you that info so you can see if you can find any of the same blood that Cyrus was. I am nowhere near an expert on Filas. I have done some reading and I dont see why its hard to believe that in all the years the breed was being established that there was black dogs in the breed. I can understand them being not as numerous as the fawn but with the breeds used to bring the fila together I just dont see it as hard to believe. I read somewhere that some view the dark brindle dogs as being as bad as the black dogs. I dont understand how someone could have 2 identical dogs, same temperment and physical build, and say one dog isnt a fila just because hes black. Ive seen personally seen 2 APBT's, neither being black, throw out black dogs when a litter was born, it just doesnt seem that hard to believe. Like I said, I dont care if its CAFIB or CBKC as long as the Fila acts like a Fila is supposed to, and to me you know a Fila by his temperment and devotion to his family. To us, Cyrus was a big baby, never wanted to leave our side or be left alone, but when it came to us and our property, he was the most confident protector I could have ever asked for. Smart dog too, he was amazing. Lol I remember he would go in the bathroom and bite the handle to the faucet in the tub to turn it on to get himself some water, lol wouldnt turn it off but he would turn it on. He crushed the front doorknob where he would bite it to try to open the door to get out if we were outside and left him in, there was a few times he actually opened the door. Makes me miss him thinking about all this. But Ace you seem to think like I do when it comes to the dogs, you are way more knowledgeable than I am but it seems like we have the same opinion, I would really like to see your dogs if you have pictures somewhere online.
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
You are right, a good Fila is the ultimate dog. There is no other breed that compares. I don't know that lady so this is not directed at her by any means. But there are, and have been some very shady people involved in Fila breeding. Many people involved strictly for the money. I have even seen breeders advertise their Fila kennels with big signs on their vehicle, imagine the type of people that draws into our breed. Some good people get in the breed and realize Filas are too much work for them. If you are a good selective breeder who does health testing and gives your dogs proper care, there is no money in breeding these dogs, its break even at best.
 

mountainfila

Well-Known Member
I looked at her website and it doesnt look like its been maintained in awhile. What I dont understand is they got out of the Filas and started breeding/owning whippets. How in the world would you own a Fila kennel and wanna switch to another breed of dog, not to mention whippets. I have an APBT now just because I havent been in the position to be able to devote the time/money to owning another fila. But ever since Cyrus passed ive wanted another one.


Just because it hasnt been maintained doesnt mean she cant point you in the right direction, shes a very nice lady and has a vast amount of knowledge, i have known her since the late 90'sish, i only have talked to her online and have seen lots of pics of her dogs and pups over the years and some times when you get older life happens and filas arent an easy breed to deal with, so yes i can see why she got out of filas and into another breed she liked, plus she been in filas for a long time. I know alot of people that bred filas in the early 90's and now i would say 80% are out of filas or no longer breeding. And i do believe she had whippets most of the time she had filas, she always said her whippets exercised her filas lol.
 

Wilrob

Active Member
Just because it hasnt been maintained doesnt mean she cant point you in the right direction, shes a very nice lady and has a vast amount of knowledge, i have known her since the late 90'sish, i only have talked to her online and have seen lots of pics of her dogs and pups over the years and some times when you get older life happens and filas arent an easy breed to deal with, so yes i can see why she got out of filas and into another breed she liked, plus she been in filas for a long time. I know alot of people that bred filas in the early 90's and now i would say 80% are out of filas or no longer breeding. And i do believe she had whippets most of the time she had filas, she always said her whippets exercised her filas lol.
Can you tell me what you thought of her dogs you saw, I never saw any of her other dogs and I'm just curious. I never heard my dad say anything bad about her from a buyers standpoint and I know Cyrus was always healthy with good hips, never had even they slightest problems with his hips or elbows.
 

Tubarao'smom

Well-Known Member
I also think the whole situation with the breed can be a bit discouraging, it is very much a fighting battle to try and keep the breed true to everything that has made the fila unique. So many breeding for money and then you have those on craigslist who are backyard breeding them. This is the very reason why I am reluctant to discuss in detail the fila with anyone that I do not know. Not that I do not want to educate people but I just feel so protective over the breed itself.
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
This is the very reason why I am reluctant to discuss in detail the fila with anyone that I do not know. Not that I do not want to educate people but I just feel so protective over the breed itself.

Spot on. People always ask, I tell most its a bloodhound mix(not a lie). Not a bad idea to tell your vet that as well, because lets face it in less than 20 years Filas will be banned here. For heaven's sake they are banning butcher's knives in England now, Filas long ago. The internet has brought this breed down, but there are still people working hard to make it right.
 

tojvan

Well-Known Member
I have registered mine as blood hound mix with the city. To this day except for close family, I haven't told anyone that he is a fila. The breed is too precious to make it the next accessory dog for they wannabe thugs and gang bangers.
 

Wilrob

Active Member
I have registered mine as blood hound mix with the city. To this day except for close family, I haven't told anyone that he is a fila. The breed is too precious to make it the next accessory dog for they wannabe thugs and gang bangers.

I pray that never happens, it was the same with the game APBTs when all the thugs started wanting them, you end up with a dog that has been bred for looks and is nothing like what they were bred for in the beginning. But with that being said, if someone is showing a genuine interest in the breed I dont think people who own them now should should try to mislead or like try to talk someone out of owning a Fila. I mean if more people can be educated on the breed, and what it is supposed to be, then more people will be able to stand against groups that support things like BSL. I dont think the Fila is a dog alot of people can handle or will suit their lifestyle but the more people you can educate and show what these dogs are, the more people that will support the breed when its time comes on the chopping block. I always said if someone owns a fila, experiences that loyalty and love for themselves, they would never want another breed of dog.
 

mountainfila

Well-Known Member
Can you tell me what you thought of her dogs you saw, I never saw any of her other dogs and I'm just curious. I never heard my dad say anything bad about her from a buyers standpoint and I know Cyrus was always healthy with good hips, never had even they slightest problems with his hips or elbows.

I liked her dogs, they seem to be typey typical filas, good temps. Did you try emailing or calling her?
 

Wilrob

Active Member
I liked her dogs, they seem to be typey typical filas, good temps. Did you try emailing or calling her?
I haven't yet, been real busy with Easter and everything the past week. Since I've been reading the past few weeks, I've seen a few of the dogs described as "typey filas" What does this mean? One breeders webpage I was looking at said they bred "very typey filas" don't really understand this description
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
I totally agree Wilrob, Temp trumps color anyday. I own both types and breed for the best regardless of color or registry and owe no allegiance to any club. I only care about Filas and finding, breeding the best. Unfortunately others care only of a club agenda disguised as bettering the breed. Your Cyrus would be automatically labeled as a mixbreed mutt that should be killed and never bred, which is wrong. When you mentioned the dog's bravery and confidence and being from Texas I guessed it came from a certain line that is hard to find, one I have great admiration for, but many HATE even though they have little to no exposure to that line because they hate the color of the dog alone as well as the breeder who incidentally introduced the breed to the USA. These same extremist are amazed at working events of the bravery of these dogs but say it was "an amazing dog, just not a Fila". Contrary to CBKC standard Filas with alot of white are fine and part of the foundation of the breed. See the difference between free thinking, experienced owners and backdeck breeders with an agenda? I take special interest in black filas because some of the most brave and strongest nerved Filas I have seen were black. Of coarse there are weak black Filas like any color. But I would be happy to track your Cyrus's line and may be able to help you find a related dog with similar traits. Truth be told Wilrob, many Cafib people are radicals, like racial supremacist who are hateful and in denial. You didn't start anything, it happens everyday in many different languages online. They have even managed to run off some off the few REAL EXPERTS in this breed in south America who integrated Cafib dogs in their program. They are idiots. Most of us try to ignore them , but sometimes you have to take a stand.

whoa.. did anyone even read this post? and CAFIB folks are full of hate? yikes... the obvious jealousy and hate in this one post would send most people running for the hills.... this is someone with some deep seated frantic desperation
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
Foot in mouth Jackboot#1. Remember when AB told you that you were doing Cafib no favors by opeing your trap, you should have listened. For every fish you reel in you scare 10 away, think about that.