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Wilrob

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Ace I talked to my dad and he's gonna dig the papers out tomorrow. He said he remembers the breeders name was Donna Watson from Sunset Kennels but they are no longer in the Filas. I'll get the sire and dams name though so maybe some of the blood is still around.
 
tojvan

tojvan

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aceoutdoor said:
Tojvan seems like you are mesmerized by Cafib lately. Buy a 100% Cafib puppy, from lets say Itanhandu. Let us know how he compares to your boy. I think you will be sorely disappointed you bought the hype. You didn't get lucky, your dog inherited strong genes from his mother and she from her father who is one mean SOB. Generally speaking, the strongest physical and psychological traits are usually present in pups of the opposite sex from the parent in a liter.
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Ace i would never buy a fila pup directly from Itanhandu, there are plenty of complaints about them on the net, people getting tricked into loosing their houses to them suddenly forgetting how to speak in English once people start complaining about their ill bred dogs. My boy is fantastic I know that and i appreciate all the hard work that the breeders put in to get something like that. It is exactly because of that, that i worry about CBKC filas. Triggers temperament is spot on except for one little thing which is not genetic but acquired from bad experience. Not many people could handle him and his temperament still hasn't completely set in. It is no secret that CBKC is trying to breed down the temperament. A fila showing aggression or lounging at a judge is a straight DQ these days. How long before other CBKC breeders start following suit to win medals and trophies. That's why i said that CAFIB might be the better option eventually. Atleast they encourage true temperament rather than a bunch of bullshit about fila's being aloof. You and i both know filas are not aloof, my shepherd is aloof, my fila is not. If your a total stranger and your in my house he is definitely not going to sit there and ignore you.

Weight wise I'm not sure I'll scale him and get back to you. I'd guess around 150lb right now
 
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tojvan

tojvan

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mountainfila said:
What do you mean by "correct temp", what do you think is a correct temp for a fila? I ask because everyone seems to have a different opinion of what correct temp is, i was just wondering what you think it should be.
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My version is simple, a fila should have a strong ojeriza. He should be very wary of strangers, a stranger should not be able to sweet talk a fila into accepting them. But with the family He should be very tolerant almost to a fault, very sensitive to his masters needs. Its hard to put it into words let me give you an example I know that my fila would never snap at me no matter what not even redirect aggression I know this because my fila got into a fight with another dog and I purposely grabbed him by the face just to test if he would snap at me and he didn't to my surprise lol i gave him plenty of opportunity. Any other dog would have in that situation; I know because my shepherd has done it before. Under no circumstances should a fila be comfortable with a stranger being in their house being around the filas family. I feel very passionate towards the fila and i would hate for the breed to change, just so that some people who cant take the fila for what it is want to own one.
 
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aceoutdoor

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CBKC registers dogs bred inside Brazil and they wrote a standard, that*s it. They have nothing to do with shows in the states. Most people who breed quality Filas don*t even go to shows, maybe working events but not shows. People go to shows so the can put pictures of ribbons on their website and impress people new to the breed. When we talk about CBKC we are talking about a TYPE of Fila (the type you have), not that organizations involvement with the breed. No one gives a crap about CBKC, they just want dogs with proper structure and strong nerves which most 100% Cafib dogs lack, remember I said most not all. I know you would not buy an Itanhandu pup. I was trying to make a point to you. My point is I wonder if you have even observed a single 100% Cafib adult dog in person? Much less seen one put under pressure? I doubt you have based on your comments but if I am wrong I apologize. My point was Itanhandu is the #1 Cafib kennel in the world sales wise. I believe you make assumptions about Cafib dogs that are in general very wrong. It would be a great experience for you to raise a 100% Cafib dog and see for yourself they(most of them, not all) are nothing like what you seem to think they are. Like I said in AB*s thread there is a big difference between Ojeriza and true guarding temps, but most people wrongly assume they are one in the same. Many Filas have one or the other but few have both. Many Filas show “Ojeriza†at a young age which is fear based, they will growl, even bite a visitor when they walk away etc. People think “wow, that*s a real Filaâ€. These same dogs as adults, who seem so mean and hateful around strangers fold up like a cheap accordion when pressured, they can hide behind owner, urinate even run. Really they are fear biters with weak nerves. That*s why many handlers who have worked with Cafib dogs call them fear biters because they are right, many mistakenly call others Filas fear biters because of the distressful sounds some Filas make during agitation which is wrong. On the opposite there are Filas who are very confident and when properly introduced can be very tolerant of strangers, they display little or no “Ojeriza†once they realize master is ok with these people. These dogs typically have a strong nervous system and are unbothered by gunshots and even go into prey/search mode when they hear shots. This type will maul that visitor the moment they threaten anyone or anything on their property, but not until things go bad. This type is very strong under pressure and never retreats. Now there are Filas (rare these days) that have both Ojeriza and real guarding temp.

But my question to you Tojvan if you had to choose between a dog that showed Ojeriza and hated strangers but was weak in a real threat situation, or a dog that tolerated stangers in the home but would damn near kill someone if they or their family/property were threatened which one of those 2 would you choose?
 
fila4me

fila4me

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well said!
aceoutdoor said:
CBKC registers dogs bred inside Brazil and they wrote a standard, that*s it. They have nothing to do with shows in the states. Most people who breed quality Filas don*t even go to shows, maybe working events but not shows. People go to shows so the can put pictures of ribbons on their website and impress people new to the breed. When we talk about CBKC we are talking about a TYPE of Fila (the type you have), not that organizations involvement with the breed. No one gives a crap about CBKC, they just want dogs with proper structure and strong nerves which most 100% Cafib dogs lack, remember I said most not all. I know you would not buy an Itanhandu pup. I was trying to make a point to you. My point is I wonder if you have even observed a single 100% Cafib adult dog in person? Much less seen one put under pressure? I doubt you have based on your comments but if I am wrong I apologize. My point was Itanhandu is the #1 Cafib kennel in the world sales wise. I believe you make assumptions about Cafib dogs that are in general very wrong. It would be a great experience for you to raise a 100% Cafib dog and see for yourself they(most of them, not all) are nothing like what you seem to think they are. Like I said in AB*s thread there is a big difference between Ojeriza and true guarding temps, but most people wrongly assume they are one in the same. Many Filas have one or the other but few have both. Many Filas show “Ojeriza” at a young age which is fear based, they will growl, even bite a visitor when they walk away etc. People think “wow, that*s a real Fila”. These same dogs as adults, who seem so mean and hateful around strangers fold up like a cheap accordion when pressured, they can hide behind owner, urinate even run. Really they are fear biters with weak nerves. That*s why many handlers who have worked with Cafib dogs call them fear biters because they are right, many mistakenly call others Filas fear biters because of the distressful sounds some Filas make during agitation which is wrong. On the opposite there are Filas who are very confident and when properly introduced can be very tolerant of strangers, they display little or no “Ojeriza” once they realize master is ok with these people. These dogs typically have a strong nervous system and are unbothered by gunshots and even go into prey/search mode when they hear shots. This type will maul that visitor the moment they threaten anyone or anything on their property, but not until things go bad. This type is very strong under pressure and never retreats. Now there are Filas (rare these days) that have both Ojeriza and real guarding temp.

But my question to you Tojvan if you had to choose between a dog that showed Ojeriza and hated strangers but was weak in a real threat situation, or a dog that tolerated stangers in the home but would damn near kill someone if they or their family/property were threatened which one of those 2 would you choose?
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dogman#1

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not at all because as usual Ace is using what we call projection... he claims he has these "bravest/hardest/best" lines from the lunatic herself (Kruel) but has anyone ever seen them (Ace, I mean anyone other than you). I'm going to the show in Brazil on the 26th and ill bring back some footage of these dogs. "The only reason people go to shows is to get ribbons"... yea, o.k. The only reason one goes to a show is to have their dog evaluated against the standard... with non CAFIB dogs, bring a copy of the standard that you would like the judge to use as most have never even seen on before (go on and say it doesnt happen), with CAFIB get ready to get your heart torn out cause there will be some ruff (see what I did there? lol) critiques. Anyway talk is cheap and if a picture is worth a thousand words lets see what a video is worth... Ace, please post videos of your GREEN dogs and when I come back Ill post up videos of the dogs there... you can always look at videos of my "Tuck tail and run" green CAFIB videos... this should be fun. Ciao ladies.
 
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aceoutdoor

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Jackboot#1, I try to ignore you but you are like a fungus that won't go away. Where have you been? Did you go down to the Nevada ranch? Did you get to taze anyone? Nobody is buying what your selling scrub.
 
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dogman#1

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mmmhhmm not showing proof and talking sideways out the best part of you is what you do best, talk is cheap my good girl....put up or shut up.
 
tojvan

tojvan

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aceoutdoor said:
CBKC registers dogs bred inside Brazil and they wrote a standard, that*s it. They have nothing to do with shows in the states. Most people who breed quality Filas don*t even go to shows, maybe working events but not shows. People go to shows so the can put pictures of ribbons on their website and impress people new to the breed. When we talk about CBKC we are talking about a TYPE of Fila (the type you have), not that organizations involvement with the breed. No one gives a crap about CBKC, they just want dogs with proper structure and strong nerves which most 100% Cafib dogs lack, remember I said most not all. I know you would not buy an Itanhandu pup. I was trying to make a point to you. My point is I wonder if you have even observed a single 100% Cafib adult dog in person? Much less seen one put under pressure? I doubt you have based on your comments but if I am wrong I apologize. My point was Itanhandu is the #1 Cafib kennel in the world sales wise. I believe you make assumptions about Cafib dogs that are in general very wrong. It would be a great experience for you to raise a 100% Cafib dog and see for yourself they(most of them, not all) are nothing like what you seem to think they are. Like I said in AB*s thread there is a big difference between Ojeriza and true guarding temps, but most people wrongly assume they are one in the same. Many Filas have one or the other but few have both. Many Filas show “Ojeriza” at a young age which is fear based, they will growl, even bite a visitor when they walk away etc. People think “wow, that*s a real Fila”. These same dogs as adults, who seem so mean and hateful around strangers fold up like a cheap accordion when pressured, they can hide behind owner, urinate even run. Really they are fear biters with weak nerves. That*s why many handlers who have worked with Cafib dogs call them fear biters because they are right, many mistakenly call others Filas fear biters because of the distressful sounds some Filas make during agitation which is wrong. On the opposite there are Filas who are very confident and when properly introduced can be very tolerant of strangers, they display little or no “Ojeriza” once they realize master is ok with these people. These dogs typically have a strong nervous system and are unbothered by gunshots and even go into prey/search mode when they hear shots. This type will maul that visitor the moment they threaten anyone or anything on their property, but not until things go bad. This type is very strong under pressure and never retreats. Now there are Filas (rare these days) that have both Ojeriza and real guarding temp.

But my question to you Tojvan if you had to choose between a dog that showed Ojeriza and hated strangers but was weak in a real threat situation, or a dog that tolerated stangers in the home but would damn near kill someone if they or their family/property were threatened which one of those 2 would you choose?
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If I had to choose between the two types obviously it would be a dog with stronger nerves. Nobody likes a wimp. On to the question of owning a 100%cafib, I probably will and make the choice for myself if they do indeed buckle under pressure.
 
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aceoutdoor

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tojvan said:
If I had to choose between the two types obviously it would be a dog with stronger nerves. Nobody likes a wimp. On to the question of owning a 100%cafib, I probably will and make the choice for myself if they do indeed buckle under pressure.
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I hope you do, and please report your experience. Hopefully you get a good specimen, but chances are you will appreciate your "mongrel" born of a black parent even more than you do now.
 
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aceoutdoor

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"When linked to a position of power, whether military, political, or control-freak bureaucratical, it is likely to lead to miscalculation as a by-product of the figure's swollen head....................Because the megalomaniac tends not to be particularly interested in examining or in changing the self, talking cures may be less effective than medication in their treatment."
 
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