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[Wilrob]

Hello everyone, this is my first post here. Growing up, my dad owned a fila, we got him in 1997 or `98 and he passed away in 2008. My dad was injured in an accident at work which left him paralyzed on his left side, he can walk and everything he just can't use his left arm, so he doesn't have much of a social life which was perfect for Cyrus (our fila). The day Cyrus died is the only time in my whole life I've seen my dad cry. I remember he was purchased from a kennel in Texas but I know the kennel is no longer around. From what I've read now that I'm older I know Cyrus was a CBKC fila, he was a black "mongrel" as I've seen some people call them, anyways now that I'm grown with my own family it's time I finally get one for myself and eventually I want to get my dad another one. My question is when reading CAFIB and CBKC breed standards, in the CBKC standard it says under temperament that the fila should be aloof of strangers. This I don't understand because Cyrus would have rather ate a stranger than let them touch me or my dad. I've never seen a dog with the confidence that Cyrus displayed. He would tolerate strangers as long as me or dad assured him it was ok and they didn't move to fast around us, so can someone explain what they mean by aloof, as far as CAFIB and CBKC go are the temperaments the same?<br>

 

[Wilrob]

Can a mod delete one of these threads, accidentally made 2 of the same posts, thanks

 

[musicdeb]

Welcome aboard~ We have a few Fila owners on the forum who can explain the CAFIB and CBKC temperaments. dogman#1, alejandro, angelbears, mountainfila are a few experience Fila owners that come to mind who are forum members. I know there are a few more but can't think of the names at the moment.

Check out the Kennel section of the forum, there is a post of new Fila puppies.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Not a Fila owner, but I would say "aloof" is exactly what you experienced. Some Fila's go all the way to "aggressive" with strangers, but it sounds like your Cyrus's temperment was spot on.

 

[Tubarao'smom]

I don't know, the fact that Cyrus would allow strangers around even with approval would not be ok with me. I mean, I don't necessarily want a maniac but a stranger is a stranger and a fila should want no part of that. When you say he allowed strangers around are we talking within 100 ft or standing right next to you and Cyrus? Temperament comes in varying degree's so being aloof to strangers is a baseline, no true fila should allow a stranger to touch them and then it escalates from there depending on that particular dogs temperament.

 

[Wilrob]

I don't know, the fact that Cyrus would allow strangers around even with approval would not be ok with me. I mean, I don't necessarily want a maniac but a stranger is a stranger and a fila should want no part of that. When you say he allowed strangers around are we talking within 100 ft or standing right next to you and Cyrus? Temperament comes in varying degree's so being aloof to strangers is a baseline, no true fila should allow a stranger to touch them and then it escalates from there depending on that particular dogs temperament.

When I say he would tolerate strangers, it was more of close family friends that had been around him, noone could ever touch him, but after they had been over a couple times and he saw that I was ok with it he would tolerate them, but when I say he would tolerate them it was like they could sit on the couch and talk, and he would just sit at me or my dads side and just watch them. We never let anyone try to pet him because we knew how that would end. An example would be like my bestfriend, I would take Cyrus to my room, let my friend come in and sit down on the couch, then I would bring Cyrus in and keep him leashed and just assure him that it was ok, it was a slow process but eventually over time he would see that I was ok with it and he would tolerate him being there, but my friend knew he couldnt make any fast movements and I had to have ahold of Cyrus if he needed to go to the bathroom or when it came time to leave.

 

[Wilrob]

I guess a good example would be there was a time when my dad was on the way back from the lake, he had a bronco and had Cyrus in the back of it, well him and my stepmom stopped at the store and said when they were walking in some teenagers were in the parking lot and saw Cyrus in the back and asked my dad what kinda of dog he was and if they could see him, dad said he told them no that he would bite and went into the store, when he came back out the guy was holding the hatch down, the idiot waited until they went into the store and took it upon himself to open the back hatch and I can only imagine how stupid this guy was because I know Cyrus had to be raising cane before he even opened the hatch, well long story short the guy opened the hatch and when he did luckily he was wearing a jacket and thats what Cyrus grabbed ahold of and the guy was able to get out of the jacket and get the hatch held down until my dad came back out. It was amazing that he didnt break the glass because he had actually busted a window in our kitchen from seeing the meter man outside checking the meter. If my stepmom wouldnt have been with him it might have been a different story because dad only has the use of one of his arms. When dad told me what happened ive never understood how someone could be some dumb to see this big dog showing no signs of being friendly and they want to open someones truck to try to pet him. Dont know if he was very brave or just very very stupid.

 

[Wilrob]

Welcome aboard~ We have a few Fila owners on the forum who can explain the CAFIB and CBKC temperaments. dogman#1, alejandro, angelbears, mountainfila are a few experience Fila owners that come to mind who are forum members. I know there are a few more but can't think of the names at the moment.

Check out the Kennel section of the forum, there is a post of new Fila puppies.

I might be blind but im not seeing a kennel section, I see a breeders section, is that the subforum you meant?

 

[aceoutdoor]

Welcome Wilrob. My guess based on your description of the dogs temp and the breeder in TX is you may have purchased from Clelia Kruel of Camping Kennels. There are still a few of us keeping that great line alive. If indeed your Cyrus was from there it explains the confidence you explained. My dogs from that line and others from that line are the bravest, most confident and strongest nerved not only Filas but dogs I have ever encountered. The nervous system of most Filas especially most 100% Cafib Filas are nothing like what you experienced with that dog. For the record Cafib people hate that breeder in particular. I don't normally recommend breeders, but if you have the papers for Cyrus PM me the sire and dams names and I may be able to point you to someone with a close offspring.

 

[tojvan]

A lot of the CBKC filas don't have correct temperament. I doubt you'll be able to find one like your previous fila since CBKC is trying to watered-down the temperament to make the fila more mainstream, which is a pissoff. Unless ace could point you in the right direction, I'd avoid any of the mainstream CBKC breaders because you will only find disappointment. If possible meet the person see the parents, evaluate the temperament and then pick the puppy; don't trust the breeder to do it for you.

 

[angelbears]

Same can be said of CAFIB. I know of more than one person who feels really screwed over by dealing with a CAFIB kennel. I have a Texas bred CBKC dog. I'm happy with him most of the time. Is he perfect NO but he is a good Fila. I guarantee you that you couldn't get close enough to tell him he is a piece of shit dog. LOL

The truth of the matter is there are not many good Fila's out there. If I was a newbie looking to get a Fila. I would do a lot of looking at both CAFIB and CBKC. I would never have one shipped from outside of the US. Way too many stories out there about pups that arrive sick or with major faults. Yes, they will replace the pup but you have to pay to send back the first pup and pay for the second to be sent to you.

Also, it is very helpful to find a breeder that you can get along with and that you can communicate with. They are an invaluable resource the first couple of years of owning your Fila.

 

[cinnamon roll]

Unfortunately you can not access the kennel section unless you are a premium member

I might be blind but im not seeing a kennel section, I see a breeders section, is that the subforum you meant?

 

[tojvan]

Same can be said of CAFIB. I know of more than one person who feels really screwed over by dealing with a CAFIB kennel. I have a Texas bred CBKC dog. I'm happy with him most of the time. Is he perfect NO but he is a good Fila. I guarantee you that you couldn't get close enough to tell him he is a piece of shit dog. LOL

The truth of the matter is there are not many good Fila's out there. If I was a newbie looking to get a Fila. I would do a lot of looking at both CAFIB and CBKC. I would never have one shipped from outside of the US. Way too many stories out there about pups that arrive sick or with major faults. Yes, they will replace the pup but you have to pay to send back the first pup and pay for the second to be sent to you.

Also, it is very helpful to find a breeder that you can get along with and that you can communicate with. They are an invaluable resource the first couple of years of owning your Fila.

I know there is truth to that since i own a CBKC Fila as well. But it is also True that i was lucky I got the best dog from some questionable people. Plus depending on who people chose to buy from will inevitably decide the future of the fila, so choose wisely. I for one will not support an organization, who change their breed standard on a dime depending on what their goals are.

 

[aceoutdoor]

Tojvan seems like you are mesmerized by Cafib lately. Buy a 100% Cafib puppy, from lets say Itanhandu. Let us know how he compares to your boy. I think you will be sorely disappointed you bought the hype. You didn't get lucky, your dog inherited strong genes from his mother and she from her father who is one mean SOB. Generally speaking, the strongest physical and psychological traits are usually present in pups of the opposite sex from the parent in a liter.

 

[aceoutdoor]

And btw what did Trigger max out at weight wise?

 

[mountainfila]

Unfortunately you can not access the kennel section unless you are a premium member

What other sections are we not privy to lol?

 

[cinnamon roll]

HMMMM, If you are doing another breeding I might be able to share some classified info with you. lmfao

What other sections are we not privy to lol?

 

[Wilrob]

Welcome Wilrob. My guess based on your description of the dogs temp and the breeder in TX is you may have purchased from Clelia Kruel of Camping Kennels. There are still a few of us keeping that great line alive. If indeed your Cyrus was from there it explains the confidence you explained. My dogs from that line and others from that line are the bravest, most confident and strongest nerved not only Filas but dogs I have ever encountered. The nervous system of most Filas especially most 100% Cafib Filas are nothing like what you experienced with that dog. For the record Cafib people hate that breeder in particular. I don't normally recommend breeders, but if you have the papers for Cyrus PM me the sire and dams names and I may be able to point you to someone with a close offspring.

I'll check with my dad, I'm sure he still has his papers put up, check and get back with you, thanks

 

[mountainfila]

A lot of the CBKC filas don't have correct temperament. I doubt you'll be able to find one like your previous fila since CBKC is trying to watered-down the temperament to make the fila more mainstream, which is a pissoff. Unless ace could point you in the right direction, I'd avoid any of the mainstream CBKC breaders because you will only find disappointment. If possible meet the person see the parents, evaluate the temperament and then pick the puppy; don't trust the breeder to do it for you.

What do you mean by "correct temp", what do you think is a correct temp for a fila? I ask because everyone seems to have a different opinion of what correct temp is, i was just wondering what you think it should be.

 

[aceoutdoor]

I would never have one shipped from outside of the US. Way too many stories out there about pups that arrive sick or with major faults. Yes, they will replace the pup but you have to pay to send back the first pup and pay for the second to be sent to you.

That is true. Add spider bites, fleas, exotic insect larvae imbedded in skin not to mention the extreme stress put on the puppy. But for those of us trying to create our perfect vision of a Fila who selectively breed, due to the rarity of the breed, unless you want to inbreed sometimes you have to import. There are good people down south who breed, and there is scum just like here.