Mastiff hybrids

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Patrick, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. Granite

    Granite Member

    I signed up to respond to this. Mastiff mixes have been done all over the world and any of the ones that make sense have been pure bred in their native countries for quite some time. The only Mastiff mix that makes sense in America is the Great Dane for it's heat tolerance and need for healthier genes. The Great Dane is behind all of the heat tolerant mastiffs from the Tosa to the Fila to the Boerboel to the Bully Kutta, which you can see covers the globe. These dogs tend to have a high prey drive which isn't the best for mastiffs that aren't known for their obedience. The Great Dane is also behind the Giant Schnauzer which is known for obedience and doesn't shed, which makes for a great guard dog in the home. The Bernese Mountain Dog would be another great dog to add obedience to a Mastiff, but what these people really want are bragging rights and a trophy dog. These peope don't really have time to spend on training a dog, so the best mastiff for these people is a Tibetan Mastiff, something they can leave alone and doesn't need any training. The problem with that is they dont have the money or the character to control a Tibetan Mastiff. The Bandog is not American, it's already been played out in the Bullmastiff and the Boxer. The foundation Boxers actually look like American Bullys today. People just have these childish fantasies of the toughest dogs but never would have the money to travel to another country to see how grueling a Bully Kutta or Alabai fight is and these breeds don't even have the ideal structure. I could take a dog agressive French Mastiff and a dog agressive Alaskan Malamute and produce the perfect structure for bite force and endurance, but to what end? Having the most dangerous dog that could go through a door to kill someone like a Presa has to a woman that lived in an adjacent apartment in California. Even St Bernards kill people because they can be territorial and you can see them in the Alabai. Neapolitans and Cane Corsos have been tortured by Alabais and Bully Kuttas just because people have these fantasies about them. You can go on embarkvet.com and see the Cane Corso dna is a mongrel haplotype. Just take a Neapolitan and cross it with a Boxer and there you have a Corso. If you really want bragging rights look at a dog's haplotype and you will see it's unchanged origin.
     
  2. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    the cross i've seen done forever and produce spectacular dogs , is pit and mastiff or pit/american bulldog and mastiff ........... i've seen a few "bully kutta's" , not seen one i'd think was even possibly game ...... purebred tibetan mastiffs , worse ...... purebred great danes , seen more than one legit badass great dane........ purebred alabai , seen some looked to me would rival a pitbull even if the playing field was equal ..... seen one absolutely purebred bullmastiff that was for real ........ a purebred bordeaux that had no quit ..... purebred neo , willing just not able ...... "cane corso" seen one was exceptionally capable , one of the most powerful dogs i ever seen , was told he was a corso ...... kangals , seen some sure appeared at minimum pretty rough ..... that's not second hand info , as a young man i grew up around folks you wouldn't want to raise your kids around , or you shouldn't ...... i've seen corso you could not convince me had boxer in them , as much as you could not convince me they didn't have rott and pitbull in them ..... guy lived across the road from me for years had what i thought was a blue pitbull , ran into him one day , told him his pit was beautiful , he told me it was a cane corso .........
     
  3. Granite

    Granite Member

    Check out the mtdna haplotypes on the Corso and the Boxer, identical A388. The ydna haplotype is the same for Corso and Bullmastiff, H7.1/6/7. Just the facts.
     
  4. Granite

    Granite Member

    Granted some Corsos share the same mtdna as Neos, A275, but it's a lottery and they both have mongrel ydna same as Pits and Boxers, H10.1Hd.4.
     
  5. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    not really a believer in dna and identifying "breeds" ...... i'll go off what i see and have been told by folks i know and trust ........
     
  6. timmy59

    timmy59 Well-Known Member

    New here, just purchased a black female pup that is Cane corso male side and bull mastiff female side.. Just came home with her last night, reason for my joining here.. We had 2 boerboels but they both passed of old age, made it 12 plus on both.. Frankly we could not afford the price tag of a purebred and the boerboels are rather scarce around here.. We would have liked a full blood boerboel but I think / hope we did better than the more common bull dog/ pit type mastiff cross.. my greatest concern is that her prey drive is little to none, our boerboels would tolerate chickens stealing from they're bowl.. Here is what the wife and I came home with..
    https://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/grd/d/norman-cane-corso-bull-mastiff/7156725070.html
     
  7. JuneBugg

    JuneBugg Well-Known Member

    I know this thread is a few months old, but I have an unpopular opinion.
    Purpose bred crosses and mixes are fine.
    *IF* bred responsibly.

    This means getting required genetic health testing.
    OfA and/or PennHip, at the minimum. Ideally hearts, eyes, and thyroids.
    Proper temperament testing, and zero kennel blindness.
    Ideally, your dog should be tested in some way, whether that being workability, or titles.

    You say your dog is in protection training.
    Do you know the different drives of your dog?
    What do you know about genetics?
    What is the female like?
    How is your male doing with that the training?
    Did you undergo a civil defense test prior to training? I'd love to know what your trainer's opinions are! :)


    I myself have a breeding program that many people seem to like and support, and it requires crossing to select breeds, not all of which are mastiffs. It is not about variety.

    There are a lot of "designer breeds" that are bred without purpose, and that I am not supportive of.

    What breed is your dog?

    Also, I'd like to mention because someone mentioned the American bandogge.

    The term bandogge is not necessarily associated with a specific breed. Someone bred a dog line, and bastardized the term, in my opinion.

    A bandogge is any tethered dog released onto man or beast, and excels at the task at hand.
    Definitely not a dog for the average pet owner.
    But, they necessarily have to be a mastiff cross, or even a cross or mix at all.

    Haha sorry for the unsolicited wisdom.

    If you have a handle on what I've mentioned, and you have a specific goal to breed towards that is a betterment; not a detriment, then I personally am for it.

    If not, then I probably wouldn't.
    But, it does sound like this is something you are wanting to do, so there's really not anyone who can stop you, as it is your dog, and at the end of the day, we all want the same thing: what is best for our dogs. :)
     

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