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Li'L EVIL KENNELS Errington BC

allsierra123

Well-Known Member
I'm not disagreeing that's its a bum deal. Thats why I don't purchase dogs. Not even from rescues. I think the kennels are just as guilty for creating the market. People see shows they want one. Most wont pay for a good specimen. So there off to the byb then justifying it because they have now RESCUED this animal from the byb. We live in a throw away society very decadent and full of excess. And as such there are certain losses and casualties that come with it. It's a broken existence.

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Ragencherry

New Member
Your pretty full of " opinions " among other things !!!!!
Do you feel good about yourself in putting down this kennel?
Maybe I should of thought more carefully about joining this
Forum ....SHAME ON YOU !!
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
Where there is a market there is a sale. There Is a large chunk of people looking for the cheaper dog. Since we are a capitalist culture people Will be there to fill that need. Life all boils down to profits. It literally keeps this world moving. This guys little backyard business is no better or worse than the major corporation screwing over the environment the public you name it just after the dollar. Ok there is the otherside of the coin.

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If a person has a dog I like, that tests for BOTH HEALTH and TEMP.

SOLD!!!
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
Your pretty full of " opinions " among other things !!!!!
Do you feel good about yourself in putting down this kennel?
Maybe I should of thought more carefully about joining this
Forum ....SHAME ON YOU !!

Maybe but as we are generally the ones that are left trying to find responsible homes for these dogs when this kennel and others like them no longer want them or don't take them back please forgive us for not sugar-coating things and wondering how you don't mind supporting a breeder like that? I certainly hope you don't have any issue with your puppy that you need breeder support later because I suspect then you might have wished you had researched a little more and perhaps looked into the allegations here in this post a little further. If you are looking for a forum that doesn't care what happened to puppies after they are picked up from the breeder you are right... you joined the wrong board!
 

mia

Well-Known Member
[h=2]Definition of OPINION[/h]1
a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
b: approval, esteem

2
a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
b: a generally held view

3
a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert
b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based



[h=2]Definition of FACT[/h]1
: a thing done: as
aobsolete: feat
b: crime <accessory after the fact>
carchaic: action

2
archaic: performance, doing

3
: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>

4
a: something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact>
b: an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>

5
: a piece of information presented as having objective reality



You have been presented with both, it's now up to you to make a thoughtful decision as to what you want to do.

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Cody

Well-Known Member
Well said Mary and Mia.
As for Ragancherry, we are passionate about these breeds. We work hard to portray them in the positive nature that they deserve.
This kennel does NOT do the basics that define a good breeder period.
They DO NOT health test their breeding animals.
They DO NOT show, work or temperament test their dogs, not even a basic GCN.
And most importantly they DO NOT take back dogs that they produce, if/when trouble arrises.
So as Mary said, who is left to pick up the pieces and help these owners out?
If you are choosing to get a pup from them, you are choosing to support a Back Yard Breeder knowingly.
You are perpetuating the cycle that continues to keep shelters full, rescue workers overloaded and the breed I LOVE on a thin line of joining those already on th BSL list.
If you want support in that, you won't find it here.
Question, will your pup be Registered with the Canadian Kennel Club or the American Kennel Club?
You said earlier that you met their dogs and the were all beautiful and friendly. Thatis great, an opinion, but super. Just curious though how many Corso have you met? How many times have you read the standard to know that their breeding dogs fit into it?
Oh that's right, they breed for family pets not show dogs ;) so who cares about foolish things like papers or standards...
 
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Ragencherry

New Member
You should get your facts straight before stating certain facts like not taking responsibility for his dogs...give your head a Shake... I'm an animals lover and my bull mastiff is a rescue I give all dogs a chance no matter where they come from.
 

mastiffico

Well-Known Member
sometimes people just love dogs in general and dont really care about breeding and standards and etc ...it not right to sell a dog with a known disorder...but some dog lovers who love the breed have no idea what all to check for and look for when buying a dog ...i checked on alot of info before i bought my dog but the sites and stuff i visited wasnt as informing as this group that i somehow stumbled upon ..but i am very glad i did ...i have taken in great danes that was going to be put to sleep at the age of 2 because he was deaf ...im very happy i did ..he was the best dog ...and later i discovered that he had cancer ...but with all that said he ended up living to his life expectancy dieng at the age of 8 years old ..and to tell you the truth ..problems and all i would have done it again ..yes i would have taken him all over again ...the same thing with the mastiff i just got ..i dont know if he willl have problems or not ...but im willing to be in it for the long haul if he does ..he will be cared for and loved till the day he dies ...i love his personality and the way i see it he is here ..so im going to love him for good or worse ...sometimes certain testing doesnt exactly mean that my dog is going to get what another one had ...sure ther is a chance but i am willing to take the chance ..i dont agree with kennels being unresponsible though with selling there dogs..im sure they could take the dogs back and find them another home..but i think we shouldnt be hard on people right off the bat ..we should be helpful and polite our animals deserve that and we do too ...just my opinion
 
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mia

Well-Known Member
If one doesn't care about breeding and standards that's what rescue is for..... That's what I personally do as I don't care but I would never line the pockets of a BYB or miller as I have worked the kill room of a shelter and yes PTS plenty of mastiffs. Our shelters are full, we are killing millions each year, if we aren't responsible who will be?
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
You should get your facts straight before stating certain facts like not taking responsibility for his dogs...give your head a Shake... I'm an animals lover and my bull mastiff is a rescue I give all dogs a chance no matter where they come from.
The FACTS are that I know of 3 dogs from this kennel tha the breeder has REFUSED to take back. One being 10 weeks old.
That is proof that the breeder does NOT take responsibility once the money has changed hands, and IS NOT a REPUTABLE breeder.
@ mastiffico, yes people do buy from BYB's not knowing the best way to find/choose a reputable breeder.
It is a lack of education/information, that hopefully one da we will see disappear. That said Ragencherry is here on this forum, so has access to plenty of reasons to choose a reputable breeder, how to find a reputable breeder and ample Corso enthusiasts who wouldbe more then williing to discuss dogs and breeders. With all that information at their disposal, they are CHOOSING to purchase a pup from a BYB who is proven to be part of the problem by filling rescue with their unwanted dogs rather then taking them back.
That makes them part of the problem as well. They are continuing the cycle, creating the demand knowingly.
That makes me angry. This is a breed that I love, that many on this forum love and we have to watch it going down in the same spiral that has happened to so many before it.
Thanks to people like this. So no, after what has been said here I am not nice.
It is my friend who is trying to clean up the messes that this breeder is creating.
They are having to do wha the BREEDER should and that is BULLSH#T!
 

jenny adams

Well-Known Member
Ragencherry, if you read all the information on this kennel on here and other groups, you will fined that it is not just the repeatable breeders on here that have the same opinion of them, if you dont like what is being said about them on here then it is time you left the group, found one you can hope to get the wide range of information and advise as on here, good look with that, if after you have done more reading on the kennel you still get a puppy from them, i hope its one of there good ones, the member's on here are happy to help with any problem that may/will come with a puppy that may/may not be healthy, the problem we all have is that given the information on the kennel you have bin given, you still have no concerns about getting a puppy from them, you have not asked if there is any thing you could do to help a puppy with health/behavior problems, as the member have told you they have first hand knowledge of this breeders puppy's have, i would question that, if/when we will be looking for homes for puppy's, if the new owner did not ask me about some of the health problems in my breed, i would not be happy selling to them, please do you research on the breed and the breeder then come and ask questions, not try to defend a BYB before you know the facts, no seeing the dogs and thinking they are healthy is not to say they are healthy and have no behavior problems.
 

jenny adams

Well-Known Member
that is so sad that breeds are not getting the good pres they should because of BYB, breeding for profit and owners not knowing how to train them, not all dogs breeds are the same to train,
 

mastiffico

Well-Known Member
yea that is what i think probably alot of the behavior problems are with the dogs ..if i was a breeder i would worry about people getting the dogs and not training them right and taking the proper precautions...sometimes its not the breeders fault on behavior issues ...but the fault of the person getting them ...i think though that a breeder should have a talk and give information on how to train and handle your dog and care for them or keep the puppies longer and train them theirselves ..i dont know anything about the kennel yall are talking about ..so im not putting my 2 cents in about them ..i know people that get a dog and let the dog rule them and that will cause behavior issues ..let the dog bite on you and wrestle with you too much when they are puppies tends to have a negative effect when they become adults and the harmones kick in ...this goes for other animals too ...people think oh they are little and then all of a sudden oh they are big and they bite ...but as far as known illlness with breeding and selling them ...that should be no way ..that would strictly be for the money only ..and that in no way would be right ...i understand that you can get mad and be highly upset about someone buying these dogs and everyone has there on way of handling things and that is there right ...but i just choose the state my opinion approach and not try to put down a person or belittle them ...sometimes i have found that by stating the facts and telling your story like it is and tell the of all of the dogs that have had trouble ...well if it was me i would read it again and take heart to what they are saying instead of taking the defensive mode ...when people lash out it cause the people you are lashing out at to lash out back and be in defensive mode ..i try to take the respect for others approach ...sometime i have found you get people to listen more to you when you just say the facts in a nice respectful way and then they are more apt to listen to what you have to say ...but like i said ...just my way of doing things
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
yes, that said Ragencherry has only posted on this thread.
No introduction, nothing but this thread which leads me to believe they either ARE this kennel or affiliated with them and trying to help with puppy sales ;)
 

AKBull

Super Moderator
Staff member
yes, that said Ragencherry has only posted on this thread.
No introduction, nothing but this thread which leads me to believe they either ARE this kennel or affiliated with them and trying to help with puppy sales ;)

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