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dogman#1

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see, I find it to be the opposite... the more bonded, the more the dog wants to protect. Now saying that I also believe that it is extremely important to socialize your fila. Now this is might not be necessary or even possible if you live in an extremely remote area however in the city or other populated area it is a must. I socialized the living hell out of my dog and she was pretty obedient.... come into my home, i can say leave it or no all i want and you would get bit. There are many people that can do it to some and not to others... do you really have that much faith in your training that you know without a shadow of a doubt that your dog wont perceive something as a threat and attack even though you said "leave it"? I sure as hell wouldnt chance it.
 

dogman#1

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A very nice dark brindle male from fila roots... he had some very nice dogs at the show.

BTW I found out the name of that red bitch I love so much... Rara chacara tres irmaos!!!! Now lets see if he will sell her, lol.
 

tojvan

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******Quote from group 1 Temp

Responsible owners do
not allow their dog to become an uncontrolled menace of society. Responsible owners
also encourage their dog to learn the difference between true threats and “normal” things
in the world around them. I teach my dogs “that*s enough” command, which basically
gives the dog a chance to “warn” me of something the dog sees as a threat and alert
(growl , bark, etc) but once I say “that*s enough” I expect the dog to settle down. In this
situation, I have determined that I do not see the situation as a threat, even if the dog
may alert. I expect the dog to respond to my training and settle down. ********


So what do people think about this statement at the end of the group 1 temp? To me the dog in the video showed this type of temp, did not go seeking pets and listened to the owner. Im not saying the temp should be toned down , not at all but it can be harnessed , if i dont say anything to my dogs they keep at what ever they are pissed at as soon as i tell them to stop they comply , it takes a few mins but they do settle. So i was also wondering what are peoples view on obedience training seeing these are "dogs" what makes it any different for this breed then any other breed? And like i said before i do not socialize my dogs around people, they are only around and in close contact when you come into my yard and home, and i take my dogs everywhere but they are never around people when i take them out. Like Chuck said when most peoples filas come into temp they lock them up and never do anything with them because they cant handle them and then everything becomes a threat to them. And i also believe that the more bonded you are with your fila the more the dog wants to please you and it makes them very easy to train.
It can be done to a certain extent but you can never train a fila like a german shepherd. Filas are a guardian breed, they are head strong. Your walking a very thin line, they will bypass your judgement if they deem necessary. Unfortunately all it takes is one bite for the spca to put your dog down and not everyone is as lucky as fila4me.
 

mountainfila

Well-Known Member
It can be done to a certain extent but you can never train a fila like a german shepherd. Filas are a guardian breed, they are head strong. Your walking a very thin line, they will bypass your judgement if they deem necessary. Unfortunately all it takes is one bite for the spca to put your dog down and not everyone is as lucky as fila4me.

What do you mean by you cant train a fila like a german shepherd? Well i guess i have been doing it all wrong for over 2 decades lol
 

angelbears

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I agree 100% with MF. However, I will say it takes a special type of dog trainer with the right type of personality. Anxious, high strung personalities are not going to get the same results. I've seen it with a breeder that I know. With most of her dogs you could approach her when she had them out on leash, (after being well coached of how to stand and talk to her without using your hands, loud voice or starring at her or the dogs) on the other hand if her partner had the leash you couldn't come close, you would get nailed. Both spent the same amount time with the dogs, both could work them in ob getting the same results. However, because the one partner would get nervous with people around the dogs would stay on edge. You couldn't get within 10ft of them.
 

chuckorlando

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It seems to me Kona on a lead is not the same as kona on her own. If you are in my house and she is not on a lead there is nothing I could do to stop her. But on lead I could walk her right through a crowd and if I say enough it's enough. At this point I dont think I could ever trust her off a lead.

Is it possible to have a balls out fila trained where it trust you enough, maybe. I aint a trainer and wont be attempting nor have a need for it. Theres a old story about how a man came to love the fila. It's on some old page some where that needs translated. If anyone knows that story and can link it, it would be good. I believe it was a cafib story but maybe not. The guy visited this breeder or farm many many times and the fila allowed him. Yet he clearly knew they did not like him. Then one night the fila did not attack him and he new he had been accepted...... Its ALOT more involved but I hope that enough to spark someones memory.
 

chuckorlando

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The key to that story is these fila were not locked down. Yet clearly made the man aware they could and would hurt him very bad. Enough that at the end of the story the man thought he was going to be killed or hurt, he was affraid. But the fila finally excepted him.

And it's a true story not fiction

Nice pics Juan. I like that flying attack. ahahaha
 

Tubarao'smom

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see, I find it to be the opposite... the more bonded, the more the dog wants to protect. Now saying that I also believe that it is extremely important to socialize your fila. Now this is might not be necessary or even possible if you live in an extremely remote area however in the city or other populated area it is a must. I socialized the living hell out of my dog and she was pretty obedient.... come into my home, i can say leave it or no all i want and you would get bit. There are many people that can do it to some and not to others... do you really have that much faith in your training that you know without a shadow of a doubt that your dog wont perceive something as a threat and attack even though you said "leave it"? I sure as hell wouldnt chance it.

I agree. I can totally see this. Tubarao is still young but when he's focused on something he perceives as a threat he is focused. To an extent he listens to me but I would never take the chance if someone came into the house, i know without a doubt he would bite no matter what I said. He is very protective of the house, the damn mail lady came to the door and he heard her and started going nuts. I thought for sure he was gonna break out of his kennel.

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Tubarao'smom

Well-Known Member
I agree 100% with MF. However, I will say it takes a special type of dog trainer with the right type of personality. Anxious, high strung personalities are not going to get the same results. I've seen it with a breeder that I know. With most of her dogs you could approach her when she had them out on leash, (after being well coached of how to stand and talk to her without using your hands, loud voice or starring at her or the dogs) on the other hand if her partner had the leash you couldn't come close, you would get nailed. Both spent the same amount time with the dogs, both could work them in ob getting the same results. However, because the one partner would get nervous with people around the dogs would stay on edge. You couldn't get within 10ft of them.

The last time tubarao was on a leash around someone he didn't know he did good as long as this individual stayed a good 10 ft away and didn't approach us. I agree the type of handler does matter when the dog is on a leash. As far as being off one I wouldn't trust the training skills of anyone to keep the dog at bay and not risking the safety of others.

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Tiger12490

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Show me 5 Fila from either side that can take forward pressure and bite with some kind of zealous..that isnt afraid..

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mountainfila

Well-Known Member
So whats everyones view on this video?


[video=youtube;Ujo9RzMt_70]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujo9RzMt_70&nofeather=True[/video]
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Tiger I have said from day one, none of us knows how bout it our dogs are till someone slaps the shit out of the dog. I would also venture to say that dogs who have been to multiple shows or "test" ad have become use to stopping the advance with a "show" would be the hardest hit of them all. I bet alot of folks would be shocked when their tough ass dog folds up under true pressure.
Show me 5 Fila from either side that can take forward pressure and bite with some kind of zealous..that isnt afraid..

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chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
IMO it's a game to that dog. Sleeve happy. This is the problem with training of this kind. That dogs drive and heart just aint in it
So whats everyones view on this video?


[video=youtube;Ujo9RzMt_70]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujo9RzMt_70&nofeather=True[/video]
 

Wilrob

Active Member
My question with dogs trained like this, what happens when your not there to give the attack command and he needs to stop a threat? I don't have as much knowledge on the Filas as most of you, but for some reason this just seems to me like you've broke his spirit.
 

chuckorlando

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Yea he dont seem to be in a protection drive so much as going through the paces. He's trained well but just looks sad about it