I have a stud

[fila4me]

my bitch, jade, was on the rv with oliver. She took her class at the national specialty (although she didn't take wb or rwb).

Earlier this year, jade whelped a litter of two lovely little girls sired by oliver's dad, zahar.

awesome!!!!!!!

 

[fila4me]

Now, onto the point of this thread ... given the long list of very nice (deceased) boys on ice and the long list of very nice (living) boys, both domestically and internationally, the chances are quite high that the boy owned by the OP should not be bred. The best determination of this should not be made by a vet who owns mastiffs who'd stand to benefit if he were involved in collecting semen, doing an AI and/or whelping a litter.

Attend a half-dozen dog shows ... get a private audience with a couple of breed-specialist judges ... show him to a few private breeders who are members of a local breed club and/or the MCOA. Maybe, you should hire a professional handler and enter him into 10-15 dog shows to see how he stacks up against some of the nicer specimens in the breed. Read the standard twice a day for a month and find and watch all of the videos of Mastiffs on YouTube that were uploaded by Old School Mastiffs.

...after you do this, come back to us...

You may have the most awesome DOG in the world ... but, even if he has the best personality and has passed all his testing does not (unfortunately) make him the most awesome MASTIFF in the world.

wonderful advice! I am 100% guilty of thinking I have the most beautiful girls in the world,but do know that is only "my world"!not so true if they were to get out with those in the shows. I can see my girls faults and since they are pets it really does not matter.

 

[AKBull]

Now, onto the point of this thread ... given the long list of very nice (deceased) boys on ice and the long list of very nice (living) boys, both domestically and internationally, the chances are quite high that the boy owned by the OP should not be bred. The best determination of this should not be made by a vet who owns mastiffs who'd stand to benefit if he were involved in collecting semen, doing an AI and/or whelping a litter.

Attend a half-dozen dog shows ... get a private audience with a couple of breed-specialist judges ... show him to a few private breeders who are members of a local breed club and/or the MCOA. Maybe, you should hire a professional handler and enter him into 10-15 dog shows to see how he stacks up against some of the nicer specimens in the breed. Read the standard twice a day for a month and find and watch all of the videos of Mastiffs on YouTube that were uploaded by Old School Mastiffs.

...after you do this, come back to us...

You may have the most awesome DOG in the world ... but, even if he has the best personality and has passed all his testing does not (unfortunately) make him the most awesome MASTIFF in the world.

I'll back you up with this post.

As much as I, like many others, believe their "pet" is a stud, I'm too FN lazy to prove it and I really just want my boy to be mine. It's not that I'm lazy, lazy... I just don't like the whole dog show world. I like it in terms of I know where to look for some quality, but I really don't want to be apart of it.

My advice is to enjoy your dog. Go through the same process you went through to find him when you want to add to your family. It's a whole other level to get into breeding, if you care to do it right. If you're part of a litter, sure you might get your dream pup, but then you might have another 12 babies that you will NEED to make sure go to a great and forever home. If you don't care where they go, then you are part of a problem.

 

[Laylasmommy]

Its the way he is standing.

what's up with his backend or is it just the angle and his stance?also, his front feet?

 

[Laylasmommy]

Eyes, OFA, sperm eval, hips/elbows, heart, i got a list from my breeder.

What exact tests did you do?

 

[mx5055]

what about cysturnia?

 

[Laylasmommy]

I have his AKC paperwork. He is tested and his breeder has tested back several generations. He comes from a line of champions. Both of mine have parents who were show dogs. Of course I know about the breed standard - If I mentioned it I obviously have looked at it. Notice I mentioned his head.


QUOTE=ruthcatrin;170417]Wich tests did you have done? Are his parents and grand parents tested?

Although I can understand why you think he's awesome I'd want to see something else. An AKC or UKC (if you're in the states) or at least points heading for one. Or proof of working ability.

Do you know anything about the breed standard? Do you know how he stands up to it?

Without those about the only breeders who'd be willing to breed to him are essentially BYBs. And frankly the world has more than enough mastiff pups coming from BYBs as it is.

You can TRY contacting the national breed club, for a list of breeders in your area. And try contacting them about breeding your boy. If he's NOT headed for a championship then you want a bitch who has hers. Who has conformation thats strong where his is weak. A breeder who's also done all the health testing on her bitch. A breeder who's prepared to deal with any problems that may arrise during pregnancy and who's prepared to keep any pups who don't find homes or who are returned later in life. Since you're the one initiating the breeding you need to be prepared to share any medical costs the bitch may incure, to assist in housing any pups who don't immediately find homes, and potentially be able to assist in housing any pups who come back.[/QUOTE]

 

[Laylasmommy]

DNA testing was done. As well as on his parents.

 

[Laylasmommy]

Arkansas, USA

 

[Laylasmommy]

What is wrong with his front feet? Although his parents showed I do not show him. The things he has been taught are, high-five and sit, lay, and to hold a steak on his nose until I say yours... I never took a class with him because I intended to get a championship dog from a winning breeder to ensure he would last a long time. He's my third, my first girl lived to 12 and I also have a 2 year old female.

 

[Laylasmommy]

1. My vet does not stand to benefit, he informed me I would have to elsewhere. He just loves the breed.
I have been to several dog shows, more than 6 actually. I just never took him. I do have a friend who shows her mastiffs.

I understand your dog is the perfect specimen and you are the only one who should ever be allowed to breed-I am not stupid nor do I lack respect for this breed. I haven't shown any of my 3 EM nor have I bred, but just because I am interested and seeking advice does not mean my dog is not worthy of breeding. Before you judge me-calling me a BYB-keep in mind I am taking the necessary steps with testing, etc and asking for advice. THAT was the whole point of this thread - - Advice!

not for you to dog my most awesome MASTIFF in the world.

I have to agree with everyone who's posted. Seeing as how I'm completely obsessed with my dogs I can understand the thought to breed and keep an offspring - however there are so many things that go into breeding there's no way I would attempt to do it unless I already had a reputable member of the breed coaching me. Even then, I personally wouldn't be interested.

As someone who's gone through something very difficult with what I would consider a BYB - I would make sure to not only have every single one of my tests done, I would have the research for the grandparents done and I would research the heck out of whoever was to breed with my boy. We've had 2 CC's now, and personally I would leave the breeding to those that have much more experience than me or be seriously financially ready to back up your litter if something were to happen.

wonderful advice! I am 100% guilty of thinking I have the most beautiful girls in the world,but do know that is only "my world"!not so true if they were to get out with those in the shows. I can see my girls faults and since they are pets it really does not matter.

 

[Laylasmommy]

Where can you find these classes? Obviously not pet smart. I have MCOA paperwork but I am in Arkansas - its not a very popular breed here.

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

No one called you a BYB, read SavingGrace post again. If you don't show your mastiff how you do you what you are offering to prospective breeders with a championship bitch looking for a stud (BTW the term 'bitch' is what they call a female dog in the UK)? Glad you have had health tests done but that still doesn't mean you should breed. What, in your opinion, makes YOUR dog a dog that should be bred from? Forget about he's great with kids blah blah blah, sell him to me as if I was a potential breeder seeking a stud. I want to know if he has been evaluated and what his evaluation reports are and so on and so forth. Sell him to me.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Nobody called you a BYB, re-read the posts, and you have received ALOT of advice.

Here's a list of AKC clubs in AR: Training Resources some of them list the classes they offer some don't, but you want conformation handling classes (getting him stacked properly MIGHT fix some of the problems Imyala was talking about), and then you need to show him. Also here: American Kennel Club - Event and Awards Search is how you search for shows. I highly agree with the advice of going to several shows and talking with judges and arrange to have him evaluated. If the breeder you got him from has shown then they should be able to guide you through the process.

Frankly unless your vet does double duty as a breed judge I don't consider his recommendation of breeding to be a good one. Vets see a healthy dog with a good temperment. Which is important sure, but is only PART of the equation, breeding your dog should be to better the breed. I can understand wanting a pup from your dog, but breeding frankly shouldn't have anything to do with "wanting puppies". A good breeder is picking dogs based on health, temperment, conformation and working ability who by breeding them together will produce BETTER puppies.

 

[kate02121]

OP, your dog is gorgeous, no doubt about that. And clearly you love him to pieces and want to do right by him. I'm a newer mastiff owner (first mastiff), as well as relatively new to this forum, so take my advice from that perspective. I'm encouraging you to read the comments from all the posters who have posted thus far as excellent advice from mastiff experts who are genuinely trying to help you and help the breed; please don't assume that they are attacking you (or your boy!) in any way. I've seen plenty of posts from those who have posted on this thread, and want to step in to assure you that they are absolutely not intending to attack you or put you on the defensive.

All the folks on this forum want is to genuinely better the breed. No one is saying that you absolutely shouldn't breed your pup, but that you should take the appropriate steps to be the best breeder possible if you choose that path, or to do all the research, testing, and training that you need to to to determine if moving forward is/is not what you want to do. We have all seen/heard stories about BYBs, breeding accidents, and the like, and they are truly sad stories. You love your beautiful boy, as you should, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take every necessary precaution before moving forward. And just because the folks here are spending time analyzing his good points and flaws means that you are gaining the advice from experts...again, who want to help. Mastiff lovers (you, me, the posters, etc.) all ultimately want to ensure that the breed continues with and improves upon its well-respected heritage and reputation.

 

[NYDDB]

In addition to all the well-spoken advice given already, the fact of the matter is, most mastiffs have large litters: 10-13 is not uncommon; mine was one of 11 pups. That is a lot of responsibility, financially as well as medically.

And then...all those little mastiffs are set forth into the world to possibly reproduce again (if no contract stating otherwise, or unless sold/given to very responsible owners.)

There is just so much at stake for the future of these pups (not to mention the future of upholding quality breed standards) that not to go to very great lengths to insure proper testing, titling, etc. is, again, adding to the problem.

If nature designed dogs to birth just one pup at a time...a whole different story. JMHO.

 

[alwcm4]

Everything has been pretty much covered here, but I will add that generally a stud owner does not look for a female to breed to. If you have a nice tested boy with a good pedigree then the bitch owners will contact you if they are interested. There are several legitimate stud dog listing for Mastiffs. I will admit that having at least some points or his CH is a big step in his direction. Two CH dogs can be put together and make puppies that aren't breeding quality. Genetics are a tricky thing I would start by going to shows or making 'Mastiff' friends who have been through the trenches. I have never bred a litter, and have been in the Mastiff world only 3 1/2 short years and am proud to call alot of the top Mastiff breeders in the country my friends and mentors. FB is an amazing place to make these connections too as well as shows and national specialties. The good thing about owning a stud is that you can collect and freeze him, so if it takes you 5+ years to establish your goals, find a mentor, make reputable contacts, etc it is still okay, as opposed to a female that is only looking at a short 2-3 year window to produce a litter. Good luck.

 

[WalnutCrest]

Great advice for the OP ... if you have a dog you think is worthy to breed, post a notice on reliable sites ... Devine Farms, worldmastiffforum, etc ... with nice pictures, testing details, show results (if any), and pedigree.

Also, what does your breeder say? If you got him from a well-regarded line of dogs and your breeder has a good eye, their prospective should be helpful.

Lastly, your original post gave no indication that your vet wouldn't stand to benefit, that you were quite comfortable with the nuances of the breed standard, or that you had sought out breed experts to give their prospective.

Related to this, I only decided to breed my bitch after completing her testing (hips, elbows, eyes, etc) and after taking Winners Bitch at both Bucks and Trenton ... and ... having other hands-on evaluations from Mastiff-specialist breeder-judges ... and after this, she was bred to the most proven Mastiff stud dog on the planet (CH Greiner Hall Amir Zahar of Jadem); at the time of the breeding he only had 14 kids older than 2yrs of age and 12 of them were champions ... and two of his kids have, between them, won Best of Breed or Best of Opposite Sex at the last FOUR MCOA National Specialty shows (one of the dogs is Oliver, shown above, and the other is Moose). And on top of that, their pedigrees were very complimentary ...

Breed the best to the best ... it's easy to breed second best to second best. I have high standards and high expectations and am disinclined to apologize for either one.

I sincerely wish you well ... it wasn't that long ago I was wondering if I should stud out my boy ... and as I learned more, the more I decided I would not, despite being asked by several bitch owners of the could breed to him. while I don't know your dog, I do know that not every dog needs to be a part of the next generation ... no matter how much the dog is loved and no matter how much friends say how great he is.

 

[mx5055]

Great advice for the OP ... if you have a dog you think is worthy to breed, post a notice on reliable sites ... Devine Farms, worldmastiffforum, etc ... with nice pictures, testing details, show results (if any), and pedigree.

Also, what does your breeder say? If you got him from a well-regarded line of dogs and your breeder has a good eye, their prospective should be helpful.

Lastly, your original post gave no indication that your vet wouldn't stand to benefit, that you were quite comfortable with the nuances of the breed standard, or that you had sought out breed experts to give their prospective.

Related to this, I only decided to breed my bitch after completing her testing (hips, elbows, eyes, etc) and after taking Winners Bitch at both Bucks and Trenton ... and ... having other hands-on evaluations from Mastiff-specialist breeder-judges ... and after this, she was bred to the most proven Mastiff stud dog on the planet (CH Greiner Hall Amir Zahar of Jadem); at the time of the breeding he only had 14 kids older than 2yrs of age and 12 of them were champions ... and two of his kids have, between them, won Best of Breed or Best of Opposite Sex at the last FOUR MCOA National Specialty shows (one of the dogs is Oliver, shown above, and the other is Moose). And on top of that, their pedigrees were very complimentary ...

Breed the best to the best ... it's easy to breed second best to second best. I have high standards and high expectations and am disinclined to apologize for either one.

I sincerely wish you well ... it wasn't that long ago I was wondering if I should stud out my boy ... and as I learned more, the more I decided I would not, despite being asked by several bitch owners of the could breed to him. while I don't know your dog, I do know that not every dog needs to be a part of the next generation ... no matter how much the dog is loved and no matter how much friends say how great he is.

Very well said!

 

[WalnutCrest]

PS -- I have a bad case of "fat finger disease" and I do know the difference between 'prospective' and 'perspective'. :shame:

PPS -- Despite the wins and positive comments, I have ZERO delusions that my bitch, Jade, is perfect ... or that either of her pups are going to turn the dog-world on its head. She's a wonderful example of a Mastiff, with many qualities that are lacking in the breed today ... but, perfect? No.

PPPS -- I hold no delusions that I would rank in a list of top Mastiff breeders (if such a thing ever existed) as there are so many things I do not know, and there are even more things that I don't know that I don't know! So, yes, while I do have high expectations and high standards, I'm still a nobody in the breed.