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Favorite Corso out there?

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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It is a double edged sword, there are many "working" breeders that don't resemble Cane Corso either, but hey they work regardless of what they look like. There needs to be a balance and until you can get people to work with that balance then you will always have extremes on both sides.

x2. In just a few generations a breed can be truly ruined. Time has ruined dog's of all breeds practically. Thanks to all of the "breeders" out there, only focusing on all of these idiotic conformation standards. This is what happens when people take a functional, performance bred dog and decide to breed it to fit whatever look pet owners want. But that's just my opinion, and I am NOT a fan of smushed looking faces.
 

E1kpo

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The presence of boxer in many old lines has been well documented. Personally I favor the Yurak and Bayron look a little more than that of Basir.
Old what? Boxer has been mixed with C.C. only in the first 90' but the trend and the true dmg has come in the 00'.
So when you say old lines you don't say boxer. Bayron isn't that bad but he was already mixed.Even basir wasn't "perfect" he was the opposite of his grand father alliot of Ortanova.There are even more "secrets" behind the race,but the SACC the SACCI tge ICCF don't say that :p
 

E1kpo

Well-Known Member
x2. In just a few generations a breed can be truly ruined. Time has ruined dog's of all breeds practically. Thanks to all of the "breeders" out there, only focusing on all of these idiotic conformation standards. This is what happens when people take a functional, performance bred dog and decide to breed it to fit whatever look pet owners want. But that's just my opinion, and I am NOT a fan of smushed looking faces.
I completly quote this..I don't like to have dogs that have been punched on their face ahahahah :D
 

Mag-Pie

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It is a double edged sword, there are many "working" breeders that don't resemble Cane Corso either, but hey they work regardless of what they look like. There needs to be a balance and until you can get people to work with that balance then you will always have extremes on both sides.

Yes, absolutely. Getting people to agree on and work with that balance is where the challenge lies, getting 2 people to agree on anything is hard enough, lol.

Boxer has been mixed with C.C. only in the first 90' but the trend and the true dmg has come in the 00'. So when you say old lines you don't say boxer.

I really enjoy learning more about the history of the breed, especially hearing your take on it. Interestingly enough, at least for me, is the fact that the boxer use to look very different then the boxer most people know today. I'm no expert, I am just learning about the history of the Cane Corso. But I remember seeing pictures of old school boxers and they looked massive. And the dark color ones resembled the CC, just massive bones and muscles, not thin boned and lanky like the ones of today. And if I remembered correctly, it wasn't until the 1940's that you see the deteriorating facial structures in boxers, resulting in the "smushed" face everyone associates with them today. I'm attaching a picture of boxers from the old lines just to show what I'm talking about. The pic is from a video taken in 1922 in the Netherlands, showing boxers of that era (in addition to a few other breeds, boxer is shown at 1:38 in the video). When I first saw it I was amazed how the dog on the left looks so much like a CC. If anyone watches the video, hope you enjoy, although there is no Cane Corso... obviously too early for that. :)

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E1kpo

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Yes, absolutely. Getting people to agree on and work with that balance is where the challenge lies, getting 2 people to agree on anything is hard enough, lol.



I really enjoy learning more about the history of the breed, especially hearing your take on it. Interestingly enough, at least for me, is the fact that the boxer use to look very different then the boxer most people know today. I'm no expert, I am just learning about the history of the Cane Corso. But I remember seeing pictures of old school boxers and they looked massive. And the dark color ones resembled the CC, just massive bones and muscles, not thin boned and lanky like the ones of today. And if I remembered correctly, it wasn't until the 1940's that you see the deteriorating facial structures in boxers, resulting in the "smushed" face everyone associates with them today. I'm attaching a picture of boxers from the old lines just to show what I'm talking about. The pic is from a video taken in 1922 in the Netherlands, showing boxers of that era (in addition to a few other breeds, boxer is shown at 1:38 in the video). When I first saw it I was amazed how the dog on the left looks so much like a CC. If anyone watches the video, hope you enjoy, although there is no Cane Corso... obviously too early for that. :)

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Want to see a morfo-functional dog nowadays? (Aahahhaah funny how this dogs should have come in the USA,but then he stayed with is breed because of problems with shipping :D )
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By the way,here people in some countrysides don't know nowadays what is a boxer..Think 20-30 years ago..Here the ''massari'' in english peasantry ,gifted the dogs in the early years of the ''recovery'' of the race because the killed those that they didn't need,or they leaved them starving till they didn't find their own way..The history isn't so ''nice'' and so cool as they teach , trust me..Anyway boxers can remember cane corso..Because he is the most ancient breed,that was imported from the greeks and the romans in italian,and then took from the anglosaxons and spread all over the europe..Creating the bullenbeisser,that then was selected in bullmastiff boxer ecc.. As in Italy there was the italian mastiff,that was just an heavier cane corso,let's say an actual neapolitan mastiff (see guaglione by Dr. Scanziani) and then there was cane corso..There was a difference between those 2 type just for few things,different type of head (vacchegna,ciuccegna e tonda were the typologies) the coat (cane corso MUST have medium-long coat.Even 4-5 cmd long,he lived outside,and the temperatures aren low in winter,and high in summer,he always lived outside so he needed to protect himself from the ice-cold but even from the sunlight in summer) the region of origin (n.m. was diffused in neapolitan region,the actual ''campania'' and cane corso in northern apulia (Daunia ) and some zones near that region..
What I'm saying it's under the eyes of everyone,just search for "Ciro Di Nuovo cane corso" on google image,and then check out the differences between those dogs in photos,and Siento,the ''neapolitan mastiff''

By the easy,as the original post is about best cane corso,here is another truly typic specimen,in the photo only 18 months :
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Waiting some replies and some opinions on those two dogs :p
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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What opinion on the two dogs are you looking for? Whether they look like corso, are typical of what we see now? What is correct or incorrect about them?
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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My preference would be for the second, head types/expression, etc that I want to see you can't judge from these pictures but think the structure looks better on the second one.

He has more substance, appears to have a better chest and shoulder layback looks better, rear angulation, tail set and such is hard to tell based on the pictures but body length looks longer on the fawn dog. Then again I could be entirely wrong, pictures never tell the full tale of a dog. What are their temperaments like? Front as well as rear shots if you are going to evaluate structure entirely. Neither resemble a boxer and likely the first one is what people would call "Rustic" and the fawn more modern but if I have to pick one based off the pictures you provided it would likely be the fawn as I feel he has more to work with. It is always a question on which is easier to correct a body or a head when breeding, don't know that I have ever gotten a good answer to that question but always learning so perhaps by the time I am 90 I will be able to answer it.
 

Mag-Pie

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Very interesting read. Thanks for posting the 1st pic to give me an idea, and pointing me in where to look for more info. Interestingly, I read that “the distinction between Neapolitan Mastiff and Cane Corso was only made in the last half century, when before the same dog was "can'e'presa" or "can'è corz" depending on the dialect.” There is so much to learn, haha, and I really like this thread. After viewing the images I can see the disparity in the look of the breed.

I am familiar with the typical treatment of dogs in the old country (I come from Eastern Europe, and lived in Italy for 2 years also), so I'm not surprised that the history is not always nice and cool as told. And guard dogs had their purpose and typically lived outside and did their job, and needed a heavier coat, etc. Now, as more people keep guard dogs as pets, and to a degree anthropomorphize them, I can see how personal preferences plays into the aesthetics of outward appearances of the dogs, and what is considered the standard fashion. I also have my own biases. And I personally like the look of the 2nd dog in the pics you've posted. I like that he looks more massive, and resembles of what I think CC looks like.

And since this thread is about favorite CC out there, I like ones that look like this, but it's only based on visual appearance since I don't know anything about it, so they might not be the best examples of what a CC should look like, but that's what I like to see. :eek:

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E1kpo

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My preference would be for the second, head types/expression, etc that I want to see you can't judge from these pictures but think the structure looks better on the second one.

He has more substance, appears to have a better chest and shoulder layback looks better, rear angulation, tail set and such is hard to tell based on the pictures but body length looks longer on the fawn dog. Then again I could be entirely wrong, pictures never tell the full tale of a dog. What are their temperaments like? Front as well as rear shots if you are going to evaluate structure entirely. Neither resemble a boxer and likely the first one is what people would call "Rustic" and the fawn more modern but if I have to pick one based off the pictures you provided it would likely be the fawn as I feel he has more to work with. It is always a question on which is easier to correct a body or a head when breeding, don't know that I have ever gotten a good answer to that question but always learning so perhaps by the time I am 90 I will be able to answer it.
The first one has really great temperament,he is not developed yet,he is 16 months in the photo..Saturday I'll see it for real,and i'll make some good shots :D the second one i must say was a good dog because an accident took him away from him owner..But he is how a C.C. should look how,and his behaviour was of steel,he wasn't currupted even from in heat bitches..Talking "rustic" or modern the fawn was the real rustic,solid black never existed back in the days and the head remwmbers a little much a neo mastiff..Btw that fawn is the C.C. fawn,and was the most common colour with the normal brindle :D The structure is so powerfull and head has the right rateo,even talking in standard (that muzzle is about 3,5 times the head,the right rateo..) too bad tgat he passed away..But nothing is lost,the breeder has got his daughter,guess what?same colour same structure,same temperament :D
 

E1kpo

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Very interesting read. Thanks for posting the 1st pic to give me an idea, and pointing me in where to look for more info. Interestingly, I read that “the distinction between Neapolitan Mastiff and Cane Corso was only made in the last half century, when before the same dog was "can'e'presa" or "can'è corz" depending on the dialect.” There is so much to learn, haha, and I really like this thread. After viewing the images I can see the disparity in the look of the breed.

I am familiar with the typical treatment of dogs in the old country (I come from Eastern Europe, and lived in Italy for 2 years also), so I'm not surprised that the history is not always nice and cool as told. And guard dogs had their purpose and typically lived outside and did their job, and needed a heavier coat, etc. Now, as more people keep guard dogs as pets, and to a degree anthropomorphize them, I can see how personal preferences plays into the aesthetics of outward appearances of the dogs, and what is considered the standard fashion. I also have my own biases. And I personally like the look of the 2nd dog in the pics you've posted. I like that he looks more massive, and resembles of what I think CC looks like.

And since this thread is about favorite CC out there, I like ones that look like this, but it's only based on visual appearance since I don't know anything about it, so they might not be the best examples of what a CC should look like, but that's what I like to see. :eek:

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Ahahahah if you want to know more lets talk in pm,i don't like to "spam " going ot :D
 

Mag-Pie

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E1kpo you got it, I'll pm you with more questions. :)


My favorite Corso? This one ^^^. I looked over this thread from the beginning, there are a lot of good looking dogs posted. And as much as I like the look of the black Corso, I must say my favorite is this one you posted a while back, I love him, his facial expression, color, physique, etc. Wow!
 

Mag-Pie

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Wow, even better, Tica is absolutely stunning and that expression of her face is truly dignified and regal, the body's so well sculpted and athletic, yet sleek and elegant. I am mesmerized by her. Your Sequoia is magnificent looking. I went over to your website, and had a look around. Great looking dogs. I really like all your prospects too, the little pup Rise of Atlantis caught my eye, I love the name, and would love to see him/her? when fully grown. :)
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Thank you, we are happy with how our dogs are turning out so far. Tica is a serious girl and it was a hard decision but my other half tells me I can't keep them all :( Rise of Atlantis is a male (goes by Jasper), he is maturing nicely, don't have any newer pictures of him as he lives a little over an hour away but if the owner sends her updates soon I will let you know how he looks.

Wow, even better, Tica is absolutely stunning and that expression of her face is truly dignified and regal, the body's so well sculpted and athletic, yet sleek and elegant. I am mesmerized by her. Your Sequoia is magnificent looking. I went over to your website, and had a look around. Great looking dogs. I really like all your prospects too, the little pup Rise of Atlantis caught my eye, I love the name, and would love to see him/her? when fully grown. :)
 

Mag-Pie

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I can't even imagine how hard the decision was for you, I'd want to keep them ALL too. Jasper looks like he has a mischievous little face!!! Thanks for taking the time and filling me in on these beautiful creatures.
 

E1kpo

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Those are modern photos of the black one..I think that those images talk more than 1000 words.. AHahahhaha
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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I can't even imagine how hard the decision was for you, I'd want to keep them ALL too. Jasper looks like he has a mischievous little face!!! Thanks for taking the time and filling me in on these beautiful creatures.

He is, and is well loved by 5 kids who I am sure help with the getting in trouble ;) There are fewer things that corso people like better than talking about the breed :)!

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Those are modern photos of the black one..I think that those images talk more than 1000 words.. AHahahhaha

congrats, some interesting pictures of the black one.
 

Kimba

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Jones and Marneo are two of my older favorites.  Newer favorites without a doubt are Firehorse Dorian and Italica's Fifty Shades of Grey!