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Dog bit me, need help.

Smokeycat

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To me this thread has become an attempt to force the ideals of one culture on another. The western idea of 'pet parent' is ludicrous in my mind. It is still a dog not a child and maybe that is why I can accept that not everyone who loves their dog has them live inside and that they can still be a good owner, while others clearly can't. Could the bite have been prevented by a closer bond, maybe. But if he bit out of pain (which as far as I've read is still be a possibility) maybe not.
Qwerty also mentioned that they spend time with the dog when they go outside, he didn't say how often they go outside. That boy could get far more attention than a dog inside where the owner is watching tv all the time. Who is a better owner?
For most of us on the forum we don't know the culture in Croatia. All we can do is go off what is told to us. But without a frame of reference other than our own bias we cannot condemn his actions simply because we don't like them.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Smokey, you and I were typing at the same time, it appears....

Listen, I don't know how you were raised, and in which society, but I was raised to know dogs shouldn't be kept in houses, and especially a big one at that.
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Ok, Qwerty, if I am understanding what you are saying, it is really [FONT=&quot]no[/FONT]t the inconvenience of hair and potty training that is causing you to keep him outside, it IS a cultural belief of the society in which you've been raised as to how dogs should be kept (???) If that is the case I won't argue with you.

I think one thing that people should keep in mind is that if a society has cultural or religious norm about how dogs should be kept, there is more at stake here than may meet the eye. Let us say,(and this actually happened to a friend of mine in another country I shall not mention), Qwerty and his family accept that their dog should be kept inside,are willing to try a brave experiment and make the effort. Now, quite possibly, their home will be considered dirty/unclean by friends and neighbors, and his family could end up with a major social stigma.

Certainly, as Mike states, mastiff breeds have been kept in kennels or outside, guarding livestock and property independently of their owners. I personally agree, that for our family, we want to keep our mastiffs inside, close to the family. However, I also think that contributes to our seeing them as dependent 'fur children', instead of mature, sentient beings. Although they are shephards rather than mastiffs, my neighbor owns two imported Ovcharkas who actually (independently from their owners) guarded and managed herds of sheep in the mountains. He has great difficulty in getting them to accept being in the house, and has had to go advanced obedience and Scheutzhund training so they feel they have a job.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Sva pas rađaju se slobodna i jednaka u dostojanstvu i pravima. Ona su obdarena razumom i svijeÅ¡ću i trebaju jedna prema drugima postupati u duhu bratstva.
And you would answer, in Croatian?
 
To me this thread has become an attempt to force the ideals of one culture on another. The western idea of 'pet parent' is ludicrous in my mind. It is still a dog not a child and maybe that is why I can accept that not everyone who loves their dog has them live inside and that they can still be a good owner, while others clearly can't. Could the bite have been prevented by a closer bond, maybe. But if he bit out of pain (which as far as I've read is still be a possibility) maybe not.
Qwerty also mentioned that they spend time with the dog when they go outside, he didn't say how often they go outside. That boy could get far more attention than a dog inside where the owner is watching tv all the time. Who is a better owner?
For most of us on the forum we don't know the culture in Croatia. All we can do is go off what is told to us. But without a frame of reference other than our own bias we cannot condemn his actions simply because we don't like them.

It wasn't the physical damage of the bite that is the problem, pain was gone after 1 day, and the wound will heal.

But the problem lies in his attitude, after I've seen how he can act against me, made me think if he is capable, and if he is willing to do more in the future, even though I treat him as a friend, and a companion.
 
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Sva pas rađaju se slobodna i jednaka u dostojanstvu i pravima. Ona su obdarena razumom i sviješću i trebaju jedna prema drugima postupati u duhu bratstva.
And you would answer, in Croatian?

Excuse me, but I don't get the question. What you've written is a statement, and it's a bit incorrect; it should be like this :

Svi psi se rađaju slobodni i jednaki u dostojanstvu, i pravima. Oni su obdareni razumom i sviješću, i trebaju jedni prema drugima postupati u duhu bratstva.
 
If you would have researched the breed before you got one then you would have known that they like to be near their owner and need to be trained .I bet 90% of the members here have their dog in side with them as part of the family .that's the society I live in What people say to let a dog lick the inside of their mouth first time hearing that one. Please educate your self on the breed there is to many in shelters and being put down for no reason but and irresponsible owners

Listen, we have a different mindset, you won't be able to make me change my opinion.

We can argue all day, I can tell you one thing, and you'll tell me another, it's like theism and atheism, so please, if you have nothing valuable to contribute to this thread please refrain from typing.
 

Smokeycat

Well-Known Member
It wasn't the physical damage of the bite that is the problem, pain was gone after 1 day, and the wound will heal.

But the problem lies in his attitude, after I've seen how he can act against me, made me think if he is capable, and if he is willing to do more in the future, even though I treat him as a friend, and a companion.

I can understand that. These are big dogs and if they wanted to hurt someone they can do a lot of damage.
The pain I mentioned was his. The one post I read stated that he was fine while you pet one portion of his head but not another and that area might hurt him. To me biting out in pain is different than just a random bite, still not good though. I know I can lash out if some one touches a sunburn or bruise that is painful.
If you can figure out what the trigger for the bite was it might go a long way to helping you feel comfortable around him. I'm sorry that you are having to deal with this.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Excuse me, but I don't get the question. What you've written is a statement, and it's a bit incorrect; it should be like this :

Svi psi se rađaju slobodni i jednaki u dostojanstvu, i pravima. Oni su obdareni razumom i sviješću, i trebaju jedni prema drugima postupati u duhu bratstva.

Thank you! That was my real question.


As I recall, you did say Nero was going to the vet this Monday? That should answer the question of whether unusual pain (as well as probably surprise, if there was sudden pain) was present that could have provoked the bite. As the article I posted indicated, pain is major cause of dogs biting when they have never before shown aggression. I think that is the first aspect to look at. If the vet can find no sign of infection, injury or mites, then we will have to think of what else could be tried to ensure he doesn't bite you again.
 

el gato diablo

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Interesting thread...I'm late to the party, but I'd like to add my support to Qwerty. I hope that you can find out what made Nero bite you, and I also understand that you are not considering putting him down, just concerned at the possibility of having to if he were to bite again. I also would like to support the cultural position that dogs in your area are to be kept outside...too many Westerners think that the ideals of our culture should be imposed all over the world (and we wonder why other cultures hate us). I can almost guarantee that Nero did not bite because he doesn't like staying outside...I've owned Huskies that won't stay inside for anything. If he isn't tethered all day (reportedly he isn't), has plenty of food, water, and shelter...he is well taken care of whether he comes inside or not. Qwerty, you should also be commended for your civility here on this forum...a few posters have seemed a bit harsh and you have remained even keeled and presented your points without going into attack mode. I don't know exactly how old your are...but you conduct yourself better than a lot of adults...I just wanted to let you know I'm impressed by that. Good luck with Nero...I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of this soon.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Qwerty,

I would add to what el gato diablo said -- which I completely agree with -- that I do like the way you talk about Nero. You don't refer to him in 'fur kid' terms, but as a mature dog that you have treated in a loving and respectful way
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
Interesting thread...I'm late to the party, but I'd like to add my support to Qwerty. I hope that you can find out what made Nero bite you, and I also understand that you are not considering putting him down, just concerned at the possibility of having to if he were to bite again. I also would like to support the cultural position that dogs in your area are to be kept outside...too many Westerners think that the ideals of our culture should be imposed all over the world (and we wonder why other cultures hate us). I can almost guarantee that Nero did not bite because he doesn't like staying outside...I've owned Huskies that won't stay inside for anything. If he isn't tethered all day (reportedly he isn't), has plenty of food, water, and shelter...he is well taken care of whether he comes inside or not. Qwerty, you should also be commended for your civility here on this forum...a few posters have seemed a bit harsh and you have remained even keeled and presented your points without going into attack mode. I don't know exactly how old your are...but you conduct yourself better than a lot of adults...I just wanted to let you know I'm impressed by that. Good luck with Nero...I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of this soon.


Best of the thread! Agreed 100%
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Interesting thread...I'm late to the party, but I'd like to add my support to Qwerty. I hope that you can find out what made Nero bite you, and I also understand that you are not considering putting him down, just concerned at the possibility of having to if he were to bite again. I also would like to support the cultural position that dogs in your area are to be kept outside...too many Westerners think that the ideals of our culture should be imposed all over the world (and we wonder why other cultures hate us). I can almost guarantee that Nero did not bite because he doesn't like staying outside...I've owned Huskies that won't stay inside for anything. If he isn't tethered all day (reportedly he isn't), has plenty of food, water, and shelter...he is well taken care of whether he comes inside or not. Qwerty, you should also be commended for your civility here on this forum...a few posters have seemed a bit harsh and you have remained even keeled and presented your points without going into attack mode. I don't know exactly how old your are...but you conduct yourself better than a lot of adults...I just wanted to let you know I'm impressed by that. Good luck with Nero...I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of this soon.

Here! Here!! ^^^
 
Hey everyone, my dad's friend who is a vet took a look at Nero, and he found nothing wrong with him, he is in normal condition, also he checked for sores on his neck, he checked for infections, ticks, rashes and really anything that I could've accidentally touched while petting him, and he found nothing, he is in normal physical condition.

But, I think what may be the cause :
The day when he bit me was sunny, and I have prescription glasses which have light sensitive lenses, meaning that they turn black so it looks like I have shades.
The day after was cloudy and my glasses did not dark, lenses stayed clear.
But at Friday, I came home and it was sunny again, I walked to Nero and when I started to pet him he growled.

So that got me thinking.. Could it be my glasses ? One person said in this thread that people he knows have a dog that growls if they wear hats.. So could this be the case ?
 
Interesting thread...I'm late to the party, but I'd like to add my support to Qwerty. I hope that you can find out what made Nero bite you, and I also understand that you are not considering putting him down, just concerned at the possibility of having to if he were to bite again. I also would like to support the cultural position that dogs in your area are to be kept outside...too many Westerners think that the ideals of our culture should be imposed all over the world (and we wonder why other cultures hate us). I can almost guarantee that Nero did not bite because he doesn't like staying outside...I've owned Huskies that won't stay inside for anything. If he isn't tethered all day (reportedly he isn't), has plenty of food, water, and shelter...he is well taken care of whether he comes inside or not. Qwerty, you should also be commended for your civility here on this forum...a few posters have seemed a bit harsh and you have remained even keeled and presented your points without going into attack mode. I don't know exactly how old your are...but you conduct yourself better than a lot of adults...I just wanted to let you know I'm impressed by that. Good luck with Nero...I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of this soon.

Hey, thanks for the compliment, even though I don't see the reason for you to compliment me, I'm just behaving like everyone should.

Also, I'm 18.
 
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coreyc

Well-Known Member
Hey everyone, my dad's friend who is a vet took a look at Nero, and he found nothing wrong with him, he is in normal condition, also he checked for sores on his neck, he checked for infections, ticks, rashes and really anything that I could've accidentally touched while petting him, and he found nothing, he is in normal physical condition.

But, I think what may be the cause :
The day when he bit me was sunny, and I have prescription glasses which have light sensitive lenses, meaning that they turn black so it looks like I have shades.
The day after was cloudy and my glasses did not dark, lenses stayed clear.
But at Friday, I came home and it was sunny again, I walked to Nero and when I started to pet him he growled.

So that got me thinking.. Could it be my glasses ? One person said in this thread that people he knows have a dog that growls if they wear hats.. So could this be the case ?
I would say it s a good chance it is your glasses if you can the next sunny day try walking up to him with your glasses on if he starts to growl or bark at you turn an walk away take you glasses off then turn and walk back to him see if the growling /barking stops
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Yep, I agree with coreyC! That's why we were asking the questions about hats and anything that obscured your eyes. And if it IS the cause, you should be able to de-sensitise him fairly quickly.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Personally I can't see the glasses being a concern. My dogs know who I am regardless of glasses or hat even a hoodie because they can see hear and smell me. Only one time was I able to fool Jade and it was only for a few seconds of me in a hoodie behind a bush shaking it and kicking the dirt around. She came running like mad and at about 50 feet away her tail started wagging and she went to play mode. She had caught my scent.

If this CC bit you and you are it's owner and it has no known medical issue I would be very concerned.