Cafib 35th anniversary show

[aceoutdoor]

Very true. I felt I would get that response. Here is my reply. I bought a dog from Alaska and had it shipped to North Carolina. I paid $1200 for the dog. I paid about $400 for shipping, It was summer and it took two tries to get him on the plane based on temperature upon arrival in NC. I paid $80 for a crate. $1700 expenditure. The dog gets here and is a picture of health. My vet agreed. As healthy as any 14 week old puppy he had seen. All is well. A week later he is lethargic and will not eat. In the midst of testing we get a call from the breeder. Other dogs in the litter are experiencing kidney failure. Ours too. We had to put him down at 15-16 weeks old. The rest of the litter as well.
We signed a contract just like any one else does. The breeder gave me two options. Take another puppy from the next litter and they cover shipping and we buy the crate. The next option blew me away. We will refund your money, as well as the shipping with the exception of the crate, since we keep the crate. The breeder says he would tear up their contract if I would tear up mine. They refunded the money for 4 of the 6 sold, one from a subsequent litter and we took the male from a previous litter. They paid shipping and we bought another crate.
So if one breeder can stand behind their dogs like that I can't see why others would not as well. If one can do it there is no reason more can't. S

We were talking about a year after purchase not 2 weeks. Of coarse that guy should stand up when your pup had to be put down 2 weeks after you got him.

 

[slim12]

So we pro-rate them like a car battery? S

We were talking about a year after purchase not 2 weeks. Of coarse that guy should stand up when your pup had to be put down 2 weeks after you got him.

 

[aceoutdoor]

So we pro-rate them like a car battery? S

Pure bred dog, car battery, great comparison. Read what I wrote. If a 3 MONTH old puppie's kidney shuts down 2 weeks after you purchase it and there are littermates with the same issue its obviousely the breeders responsibility. If at 1 YEAR AND 3 MONTHS a dogs kidney shuts down and none of his littermates had issues the dog probably got into a chemical or something and it should not be the responsibility of the breeder in my opinion.

 

[Cody]

I agree 100% Slim. Very often distance is used as an excuse. My breeder stands behind his/my dogs, I am over 1600 miles away. I have no doubt if something ever came up he would make it right. We have no contract, we have an agreement. A contract is a piece of paper only as good as the people who stand behind it IMO. There is no age limit on how long he will stand behind his dogs for. I agree that for temperament it does have to do in part with how is raised, but I would hope that if a reputable Fila breeder, they would stand behind their pups. That said if they sold a pup from an approved CAFIB litter and the pup didn't turn out, have the proper temperament/structure/type, they would strive to do the right thing. That however is what any breeder of any breed SHOULD do, after of course due diligence to ensure that the proper care and socialization of the pup was done to the best of the owners ability.

 

[slim12]

What about pups sold as show quality who at two years are not show quality animals? Do we just say there are no guarantees in dogs? It is a crap shoot and you just rolled craps?

I agree 100% Slim. Very often distance is used as an excuse. My breeder stands behind his/my dogs, I am over 1600 miles away. I have no doubt if something ever came up he would make it right. We have no contract, we have an agreement. A contract is a piece of paper only as good as the people who stand behind it IMO. There is no age limit on how long he will stand behind his dogs for. I agree that for temperament it does have to do in part with how is raised, but I would hope that if a reputable Fila breeder, they would stand behind their pups. That said if they sold a pup from an approved CAFIB litter and the pup didn't turn out, have the proper temperament/structure/type, they would strive to do the right thing. That however is what any breeder of any breed SHOULD do, after of course due diligence to ensure that the proper care and socialization of the pup was done to the best of the owners ability.

 

[chuckorlando]

Well no. In theory one should stand behind the dog provided it's the dog thats the issue. Hell I warranty plants for 12m on a install. No reason a pup cant be. If they freeze, flood, blow down, or what have you, I will not replace them. If you dont water them. But bout anything else we take em out and re plants

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

What about pups sold as show quality who at two years are not show quality animals? Do we just say there are no guarantees in dogs? It is a crap shoot and you just rolled craps?

I'm curious about this myself and wonder how breeders handle it.

 

[chuckorlando]

I have heard of folks refunding the diff

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Really? Would make sense I guess, provided the breeder honored their "gurantees"

 

[Cody]

What about pups sold as show quality who at two years are not show quality animals? Do we just say there are no guarantees in dogs? It is a crap shoot and you just rolled craps?

LOl, that does depend on the breeder and the contract. I can only speak for what I know. My breeder would replace the dog, that said he doesn't sell show/breed quality, only pets, so is a catch 22. He may co-own with people as he does with me, but it is a complicated relationship so is harder to explain. A good breeder IMO would give another pup once the proof of spay/neuter of the first dog was given. I do not believe in a 2 year warrantee, to be honest, many issues pop up after then such as epilepsy. the 24 month is kind of a cop out.

 

[slim12]

Off topic, but funny to see you use the word PURE in reference to a dog. Are you swaying to the dark side of CAFIB, a Freud like slip, maybe, just wondering. LOL. S

Pure bred dog, car battery, great comparison. Read what I wrote. If a 3 MONTH old puppie's kidney shuts down 2 weeks after you purchase it and there are littermates with the same issue its obviousely the breeders responsibility. If at 1 YEAR AND 3 MONTHS a dogs kidney shuts down and none of his littermates had issues the dog probably got into a chemical or something and it should not be the responsibility of the breeder in my opinion.

 

[aceoutdoor]

Off topic, but funny to see you use the word PURE in reference to a dog. Are you swaying to the dark side of CAFIB, a Freud like slip, maybe, just wondering. LOL. S

AHAHAHA It's just a "term". I will never be down with that club. I do like a few of their good dogs, but not many.

And since we are talking show quality here. Dog shows and the organizations that run them are one of the parties responsible for degrading working breeds.

 

[mountainfila]

LOl, that does depend on the breeder and the contract. I can only speak for what I know. My breeder would replace the dog, that said he doesn't sell show/breed quality, only pets, so is a catch 22. He may co-own with people as he does with me, but it is a complicated relationship so is harder to explain. A good breeder IMO would give another pup once the proof of spay/neuter of the first dog was given. I do not believe in a 2 year warrantee, to be honest, many issues pop up after then such as epilepsy. the 24 month is kind of a cop out.

breeders in the usa alot of them do the spay or neuter of the said dog but in brazil and everywhere else in the world they want the dog back unaltered.......i wonder why

 

[slim12]

Just a funny. But I do agree dog shows and the organizations behind them most definitely degrade the working breeds. 100% agree. S

AHAHAHA It's just a "term". I will never be down with that club. I do like a few of their good dogs, but not many.

And since we are talking show quality here. Dog shows and the organizations that run them are one of the parties responsible for degrading working breeds.

 

[slim12]

I steered away from a dog I really liked because of this phrase in the contract. It made me wonder as well. S

breeders in the usa alot of them do the spay or neuter of the said dog but in brazil and everywhere else in the world they want the dog back unaltered.......i wonder why

 

[mountainfila]

Just a funny. But I do agree dog shows and the organizations behind them most definitely degrade the working breeds. 100% agree. S

well be prepared for some more degrading, just found out that ckc is going to recognize 30 fci breeds, the fila being one of them, cant see it happening but you never know. I will be writing a letter to this allan ewles as i do not believe he knows what a fila is and how it should be judged, meaning hands off. Could be really bad for the breed if filas are biting judges , i do not want my breed banned thank you.

An Update on New Breed Applications | CKC Zone 7

 

[fila4me]

well be prepared for some more degrading, just found out that ckc is going to recognize 30 fci breeds, the fila being one of them, cant see it happening but you never know. I will be writing a letter to this allan ewles as i do not believe he knows what a fila is and how it should be judged, meaning hands off. Could be really bad for the breed if filas are biting judges , i do not want my breed banned thank you.

an update on new breed applications | ckc zone 7

ughhhh!!!!!!!!!

 

[tojvan]

Fuck ckc, they most probably don't understand the breed and would try to instill their own opinions on how a fila should be in to the breed( most likely the gentle giant shit). Call me paranoid but a filas temperament is soo unique, I don't want anyone to screw it up. Sorry about the profanity didn't mean to offend anyone.

 

[mountainfila]

Fuck ckc, they most probably don't understand the breed and would try to instill their own opinions on how a fila should be in to the breed( most likely the gentle giant shit). Call me paranoid but a filas temperament is soo unique, I don't want anyone to screw it up. Sorry about the profanity didn't mean to offend anyone.

I cant imagine a judge trying to stick his fingers in a true filas mouth to check teeth, i just cant see it and there are not that many that show fila here in canada even at the arba shows. Its just a money grab, i guess the ckc participation is down, so bring in these rare breeds to boost sales would be beneficial , but in the end its up to the fanciers to either push it through or nix it