Breeder vs Puppy Mill what's different ??

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by Countrygirl, Mar 29, 2013.

  1. mx5055

    mx5055 Well-Known Member

    Most of us, at one time or another, have chosen a dog based totally on an emotional reaction to that said dog; even though in our head we might have known it was not the smartest/most logical/best reason to do so...but, instead of listening to our heads, for whatever reason we chose with our heart. I have done it, and if I'm totally honest I have to admit I don't regret that decision for an instant. You have no need to justify why you chose that it and give it a good life :)
  2. WalnutCrest

    WalnutCrest Well-Known Member

    "The most important thing your dog will ever do is wag his tail when you come home from a bad day."

    -- Me
  3. rangermom

    rangermom Well-Known Member

    This is a very interesting thread.

    I just want to point out something to the ethical breeders that you may already're VERY hard to find.

    If I am looking for an ethical breeder that does health testing on her dogs, shows and titles her dogs, AND has working titles; quite honestly, I don't think I would have ever found my dog!

    In my search for my pup, in addition to asking 2 vets, I contacted the AKC and Mastiff Club of America. I got contact info for ALL of the breeders in 4 states closest to mine and contacted them, (I do not feel comfortable having a pup shipped as I want to see my pups living conditions and her parents prior to purchase. So I only contacted those that I was willing to drive to. Still, 4 states is significant).

    Know how many got back to me of the 15 reputable breeders I contacted? 2. Neither of them ever returned my message when I thanked them for their time and expressed interest in purchasing their pups.

    I am an average person that wants a pet, and to be honest, I take above average care of my pets. We are an excellent family for a dog..........but not a single person wanted to work with me. Heck, they wouldn't even return my calls or emails to get to know me and my family!

    It was so discouraging.

    This is why people go to the byb and unfortunately, the puppy mills.
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2013
  4. belawyer

    belawyer Well-Known Member

    I'm shopping for Cane Corso breeders within 4-8 hours of me (i'm in Dallas, TX area) and I'm a sucker for the breeders with the website that show all these fancy dogs winning prizes at dog shows. So I had the similar question as above because I've found some breeders that don't have the pics of the sire and dam winning some AKC shows and all that and I'm not savvy enough to tell if they are legitimate or not. Here is a link to a thread I started about an Oklahoma breeder that falls into this category
  5. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    It always bothers me a little when people use terms like "fancy dogs", etc. The majority of breeders show their dogs for a reason, not because they are trying to be better than anyone else. Here's a good explanation of why a breeder chooses to show their dogs.

    My advice is to get to know your breed well. Know the standard and find a breeder that is breeding for that perfect specimen to maintain the integrity of the breed. I know boxers, having been involved with them for over 20 years. I know what the breed standard is and I know when I see a dog that doesn't adhere to that, even if they have achieved a champion title. There has been damage done to some breeds due to current trends and that's a shame, but it doesn't mean that showing is all bad. This is why you need to know the breed standard and what typifies the best in your breed choice. Know the inheritable conditions and demand that those than can be tested for have been. If you love a breed, it's because good breeders have done the work to produce dogs that adhere to the standard and are good representations of what the breed should be. Those are the ones I choose to support, whether they be show or hobby breeders or both.
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  6. belawyer

    belawyer Well-Known Member

    I do think the pics of dogs in dog shows and winning prizes provides very good evidence that the breeder is breeding for that perfect specimen to maintain the integrity of the breed. I think having that evidence just makes it a lot easier for me as a consumer to ascertain whether or not they are a good breeder. Otherwise, I'm left guessing with some of these other breeders that I have asked about on this forum. Thanks!
  7. Nik

    Nik Well-Known Member

    I completely agree. I think a lot of the issue is that most breeders may not have the time to do the follow through work and it also seems most don't have the technical savvy to maintain a good online presence or do their own marketing. In breeding communities there is a lot of reliance on word of mouth and reputation. But, if you are a new person to the breed and just looking for a pet from someone reputable this can make it very difficult (depending on your area).

    One of my best friends has been looking for a puppy for a couple of years and they experienced the same thing with having people not return calls or ever get back to them. It took them quite awhile to finally get a response from a good breeder. They went up for the interview and to see the dogs, got on the waiting list and now they have a puppy. But, that was after 5 years of hunting and looking and trying to get responses. It is definitely an issue.
  8. DennasMom

    DennasMom Well-Known Member

    We wouldn't last 5 weeks without a dog in the house, let along 5 YEARS.

    I guess that's why we normally go the shelter/rescue route... Denna's our first purebred dog, but she's from a BYB... because we're not that patient when we're dogless and we lost our last dog (a Dane/lab/X) suddenly to a tumor in his spine.

    Considering we met Denna's parents, that's a huge step up for us, when we normally get puppies of unknown breedings dropped off on doorsteps with no note. And we love them all the same (i.e. completely).

    I am a big supporter of ethical breeders though. I'd like to see well-bred puppies everywhere, with bred-specific drives (herding, hunting, protection, therapy, etc.) great temperaments and no genetic health issues being passed on.

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