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[Penelope's Mom]

you made the decision for your dog she is yours. We all have opinions but we are not you and have no right to judge you. sorry just my opinion.

Completely agree. Good luck, Mike and I for one cannot wait to see puppy pics.

 

[DMikeM]

I have a small list right now and will let you know as it grows.

"Richard xxx We have had at least four I can recall: one PTSD in NC, one therapy aide in TN for a lady with MS, and two in OR used as therapy dogs for high at risk youths."

Mike, I hardly see that as a legit or proper reason why you want boerboels as SD dogs for vets with PTSD, and I still don't agree with using boerboels. Do you even know what entails training a SD. I hardly see a boerboel with the correct temperament passing the public access test. Give the people what they need and not what they want. There is a reason these dogs are not for everyone. This is an experiment that can go horribly wrong. Your not only setting the dog up for failure you will be setting up his handler to fail as well.

Tell me reasons why a bb would make a good SD, because so far you have not given us any reasons why.

 

[DMikeM]

3 more for the list

Valerie xxx I don't know what area of service it is for his mommy, but Subi has a litter brother here in N. Idaho that is a Service Dog (not a Therapy Dog).

Another one named Okie that was a Therapy Dog and Seizure Service Dog

 

[Aiken]

The reason we want to try this is we spoke with a 10 disabled VETS and proposed this to them with a choice. Any other type SD currently available and a picture of a Boerboel with the explanation that this is a protective breed and we are trying to choose softer dogs to train to be SD's 5 of them wanted Boerboels in full glory not softer dogs 2 were women, the out of the other 5, four (3 men 1 woman) wanted Boerboels in a softer temperament and 1 lady wanted a GSD.

As for the rest.

But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane [you aren't alone]
In proving foresight may be vain: The best laid schemes o' mice an' men Gang aft a-gley, [often go awry] An' lea'e us nought but grief an'pain, yet for promised joy.

I'm sorry.. but this brings to mind the incident/tragedy involving Chris Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield and attempting to therapeutically aid Vets with PTSD. We hope it ultimately bodes well for the BB breed versus the Vets preferences. Hopefully, those surveyed will as well as the BB's be appropriately/thoroughly screened by independent qualified medical experts. The public is already extremely sensitive about "PTSD" syndrome - Some vocally and other factions privately so. And some would argue with due cause.. . When you speak of "Grants" it sounds like Tax Payer dollars will be solicited.. and we can only pray for our protective breeds.. that if it does come to fruition - that the end result will be a truly positive/beneficial one for all involved, in the eyes of the public and our local, state and federal legislative bodies.

 

[DMikeM]

The Chris Kyle and his friend Chad Littlefield incident has nothing to do with this discussion, but perhaps if Eddie Ray Routh had a good service dog the whole incident could have been avoided.

I can find website with hundreds of useless grants such as spending 3 million to find out how long a shrimp can run on a treadmill to figure out mobility of bacteria? WTF! I think a grant to provide a special needs dog for a disabled vet is more agreeable than the billions of dollars spent on crap.

 

[glen]

Hope everthings going ok,hows jade.

 

[TWW]

BlackShadowCaneCorso and HayleyMarie
I can confirm that actually for PTSD Vets at many times mastiff breed and type dogs actually seem to work better with vets.
The group here has a few Bullmastiffs and Cane Corsos as Therapy dogs, VA in Virginia also has several mixes and purebreds.

The mastiff sensitive nature, and lower energy work well.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

TWW,

Therapy dogs and Service dogs to me are not the same thing, and I know that there are several CC as therapy dogs, as the male I used for my last litter is one of those as is several of his offspring.

Bullmastiffs as a Service dog, perhaps. Cane Corso and Boerboel I think you are running the potential for a dangerous situation due to their protective nature should something occur. Like was said above I hope it works but I fear for our breed if it doesn't or if something dangerous does happen as we all know who will pay for it.

BlackShadowCaneCorso and HayleyMarie
I can confirm that actually for PTSD Vets at many times mastiff breed and type dogs actually seem to work better with vets.
The group here has a few Bullmastiffs and Cane Corsos as Therapy dogs, VA in Virginia also has several mixes and purebreds.

The mastiff sensitive nature, and lower energy work well.

 

[TWW]

Actually it is under review with VA as to PTSD Vet dogs as to which they will be classified as. Currently PTSD solely is currently a Therapy dog.
No matter the type of dog or it's status, prior to vets for any reason receiving a dog the are also reviewed as to there ability to care for and work with a dog.

I can fully understand your concern in this matter, but I do feel it is a great match given the correct owner and dog.

 

[DMikeM]

I have more BB breeders reporting both service and therapy dogs. 4 more service, 2 therapy and one service in training.

 

[HayleyMarie]

Mike, people giving their hearsay is not proof of a SD dog. And asking people on a FB page is not exactly proof either. I want to know what they are doing, are they training through a legit org?

I can do the same exact thing, And have asked people who train and own SD dogs and their replies are that a BB would not be an appropriate SD.

And I asked you for YOUR reasons why a BB would make a good SD dog. Giving numbers of people who may or may not have a SD dog is not giving me reasons.

It just makes me believe you actually have not done your own research on the subject. And asking people on Boerboel facebook groups in not proper research.

Collecting a tally of SD dogs is also not a reason to have molossers as SDs either.
And if those people indeed have SD's you better believe the breeding was throughout and planned. Not just mixing two dogs together and WA LA SD's!!

1) you want a longer lived dog. You don't want a breed of dog that might not live long considering you put so much time and money into training a dog.
2) Neither of your two dogs are health tested-You set yourself up for success by getting a pup from health tested parents.
3) Jade does not have a temperament that would make a good SD.
4) Odie is still young and un proven. A BB over a year old is hardly a mature dog

 

[DMikeM]

it's not hearsay if the owner or breeder is telling me.
My reasons are, I think some Boerboels have an excellent temperament for service work, and the size of the dogs make them well suited for steadying a person that may need a boost up or possibly pulling a wheelchair that may have run out of battery, which has been the case with one of ours already. The partially trained dog pulled her over 300 pound owner and motorized wheelchair a mile after the chair had failed.

Oh Jade has xrays and a heart check, as does her mother and father which are both clean. We were afraid with Jade because her grand parents recently passed on so we had tests done on the mother and father.
Of course Odi has excellent parentage which works for our benefit and he was absolutely chosen with this project in mind but not with Jade. Just call this breeding an accidental test run. While Jade's full litter mate sister is in service training we will be able to see how these pups turn out with Jade's temperament (which is mellowing out btw) mixed with Odi's excellent temperament.

There are more reasons but I am tired of trying to persuade a person that has no desire to hear a valid point and has already made up their mind on the matter. Also I would do this just because someone tells me I can't.

 

[OdinBB]

Wow when did this become a forum where anyone had to prove and answer to another member? I get that everyone on here loves the breed and feels strongly about this subject but who are we to pass judgement and demand answers and justification. Mike seems to be a level headed individual with a good amount of knowledge on the breed and wouldn't do anything to jeopardize them.

 

[DMikeM]

Accidents do happen, it is why we put crates in two separate floors behind closed doors. Some even choose to board their males during heat cycles. I do however wonder why you did not have a mis-mating shot done or opt to have her spayed instead know jade's issues?


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In Hind sight I wish I had purchased a second crate ahead of time and crated them both. New second crate will be ordered very soon.

 

[DMikeM]

From my understanding and I am sure that Mike knows this, is that there are suspicions that this accidental breeding was actually somewhat a planned and intentional breeding.

I don't have much of an opinion on it either way. I hope that Jade's pregnancy goes well and all the puppies are happy and healthy. Odi is a real man now!

As you can see we were both correct.

 

[DMikeM]

Don't worry we will be mating Odi with Jade's sister either in the spring or mid summer. Perfect for your time table. But at least you will be able to see the potential from this accidental proofing.

Damn it Mike, you was suppose to wait another 9 months for this ops. Wife is making me wait till end of summer or fall 2015, before another puppy, she would have only cuss me a little because it was not another EM.

Oh Well. Best wises with the litter grandpa Mike.

 

[rakkus]

its funny How Internet heros falls thrue . But i realy hope jade and the pups are going to be okay. And that the pups are gonna be healthy . And i haf bitches in heat at home with males at home and never haf the problem . But you say it was a exident so it's plausibel but you always know ethery thing and were so ignorant with this ??? But i must say your dogs are nice and out of good breedings but stil to bad it was to soon.

But service dogs ??? I have owned a few molossers but a service dog, that's a recipy for disaster . And maybe a couple of molossers sound that do do but that is SELECTIVE breeding not "aciddent breeding" i think it is a nice dream but pleas dont harm the breed with these accident breeding service dog plan . Just find proper homesaf pets and leave these things for RESPONSIBLE breeders with real knowlege and wel thougt combinations . Just my opinion wish you the best of luck

 

[Distaff]

Congrats.
Sounds like the puppies will be beautiful.

Ask your vet, but peppermint salve (avail. from places like FiascoFarm, and maybe also Hoeggers) might help that troublesome double teat. It sounds like she has mastitis there? Pepermint salve is used by goat and cow dairies in the event of mastitis. Keeping the teat empty, "milked out" will help too.

I have something else, to say, but not sure how to best put it. We currently seem to live in a world where "SAFETY" is almost something like a religion, and the talismans for it are professional certifications, special rules about responsibility, and proceedures. Even up well into the 1970's, the world didn't work that way. Somehow, humanity survived to get where we are today. Dogs did too, and many were well bred then, without the insistance on certs, vet visits, and spay/newter. Life is not always ideal, but we can do our best with what we have.

 

[marti1357]

Congrats.
I have something else, to say, but not sure how to best put it. We currently seem to live in a world where "SAFETY" is almost something like a religion, and the talismans for it are professional certifications, special rules about responsibility, and proceedures. Even up well into the 1970's, the world didn't work that way. Somehow, humanity survived to get where we are today. Dogs did too, and many were well bred then, without the insistance on certs, vet visits, and spay/newter. Life is not always ideal, but we can do our best with what we have.

I couldn't put it better in words, except perhaps adding the Politically Correct jargon.

 

[DMikeM]

Thanks. I grew up in the 70/80s and drank from a hose or ate fruit fallen from the tree. Played outdoors every day and rode bikes, mini bikes and skateboards with no helmet, and I survived. My dogs growing up were pure breeds and pure mutts and they all cost us money to get them, but we were never paying for paper, we paid for a good dog.

Her bad teat is a glandular problem because of a double nipple situation. I had her checked for mastitis.

Congrats.
Sounds like the puppies will be beautiful.

Ask your vet, but peppermint salve (avail. from places like FiascoFarm, and maybe also Hoeggers) might help that troublesome double teat. It sounds like she has mastitis there? Pepermint salve is used by goat and cow dairies in the event of mastitis. Keeping the teat empty, "milked out" will help too.

I have something else, to say, but not sure how to best put it. We currently seem to live in a world where "SAFETY" is almost something like a religion, and the talismans for it are professional certifications, special rules about responsibility, and proceedures. Even up well into the 1970's, the world didn't work that way. Somehow, humanity survived to get where we are today. Dogs did too, and many were well bred then, without the insistance on certs, vet visits, and spay/newter. Life is not always ideal, but we can do our best with what we have.