Appropriate age to spay mastiff?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by zstevens, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. Dang you on a roll there bud. I enjoy your enthusiasm! Lol
     
  2. tmricciuto

    tmricciuto Well-Known Member

    I was replying to the trainers comment, and I have thick skin so no offense taken but I do appreciate your apology. I do look to the forum for guidance and information but think that people who don't know me in training types of settings should give the information and then just let me do with it as I please.


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  3. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    the rott "study" shows 127 dysplastic dogs and 1035 normal ....... by my math that is 12.27% ????????? you'll need to actually look at the survey they used to get that info ........ I believe you'll also see ed is not representative of the breed either ..........the OFA data , you need to go to the top of the page and use the 3 columns that say "ALL DATA" not the last 3 columns which is for 14,000 dogs , not 139,000 dogs ?????????it's not that I don't believe altering an immature dog doesn't alter the dogs physical and mental result ..... as far as causing joint disease , i personally don't buy it anymore than someone telling me that giving a dog stuffed animals as toys lowers their risk of hemangiosarcoma ????? I think it was a golden retriever survey/"study" ..... I think it was a golden retriever survey where the highest percentage of dogs that did not have hemangiosarcoma played with stuffed animals ...... it actually may be the survey that your article is referring too ....... I've seen too much of that nonsense to remember which is which
     
  4. Hiraeth

    Hiraeth Well-Known Member

    The Rott survey is about osteosarcoma. Which is bone cancer. In case you didn't catch that. Not hip dysplasia. You are quoting hip dysplasia percentages from a study that does not have the word "dysplasia" in it ONE TIME.

    You also apparently think that looking at overall OFA results from 1990 forward is an accurate representation of all breeds today, despite the fact that nearly all breeds show a negative trend in dysplasia, and therefore the numbers taken from dogs between 2006-2015 would paint a far better picture of current breed OFA testing and results.

    You can call it nonsense all you want. As long as everyone else is allowed to have their own opinions without anyone misquoting or misinforming them, then I'm perfectly happy.
     
  5. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    while your little article is about osteosarcoma , the survey they used for their data was about overall Rottweiler health ?????????your article actually tells you as much ????? maybe you skimmed over that part ?????? you should find yourself the survey they used , and take a look at it ......
    I get the impression you think the all column is for all dogs all breeds ?????? it is only for all golden retrievers ????? why would data collected on dogs born only from 2006-2010 , not 2015 , paint a better picture of dogs born 1998-2008 ?????? yes I agree on misinformation .........
     
  6. Hiraeth

    Hiraeth Well-Known Member

    My "little" article, eh? You know, I was going to continue discussing this with you, but your condescending attitude and excessive use of punctuation are both things that I find fairly intolerable.

    My goal is, has been, and will continue to be, getting the implications of these and other surveys out to people who are inundated with a "the sooner the better" attitude when it comes to altering their dogs. You don't *have* to put any stock in them whatsoever. Alter your dogs at 8 weeks old, if you think that's the best choice for you. I hope and pray you never have to deal with an osteo diagnosis. Because it's hell on earth.

    I'm leaving and unsubscribing from the thread. The surveys speak for themselves. Speak all the ill you wish of me, no one will be here to argue with you.
     
  7. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    I've been breeding dogues for decades , you don't do that with neutered and spayed dogs ........ my thought is I wouldn't neuter a male at all , unless there was a reason , and there are reasons ..... I would spay a bitch 100% of the times whether you thought there was a reason or not , because I know first hand many times over there is a reason ....... as far as osteosarcoma , been there done that on unaltered and late altered dogs ........... you choose a great dane as a dog and you run that risk more so than if you choose a small medium or large breed dog , altered or not ........... I wouldn't tell someone they were doing harm to their dog if they needed to alter it based on such shoddy evidence ....... I talk to 7-8 vets on a regular basis , an orthopedic vet of 31 yrs just recently told me my 8 month old pup was old enough to neuter , knowing he has nothing to gain from me neutering the dog ........ I just asked a nationally well known repro vet how long I could safely leave an undescended testicle in a pup , he told me 2 yrs wouldn't be a problem as long as I could handle the two brothers living together , if they got out of hand just get him neutered now , again he has nothing to gain from me neutering the dog or not , he wouldn't be the vet doing it , and he knows it , I've known most of these vets for more than 25yrs , I assure you they are not looking to do harm to my dogs ...................................... to make your survey analysis even a weaker argument than it is how many folks with altered dogs do you know who OFA'ed them ????? the ofa database is most certainly almost entirely intact dogs ........... if you believe that hip dysplasia is on the decline from 2008-2012 , why would that be ????? were they altering less dogs during those 4 yrs ???????
    my "suggestion" would be for you to actually "read the surveys thoroughly before discrediting" me "because you skimmed and pulled inaccurate date "............ personally i'd want to see where your info was coming from before I buy into whatever it is your telling me 3rd hand ....... like I said i'm not always right , but i'm careful.........
     
  8. And punctual. Wait, that's not the word I was looking for :lolbangtable:

    Hiraeth don't give up if you are right you must educate marke. If you are wrong, you should admit it. I'm to lazy to look at the surveys. I want one to disprove the other or at some point for you two to come to somewhat of an agreement so that I can get the real info out of the thread and not just what I'm assuming to be correct :lol:
     
  9. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    what you need to do eem is exactly what hiraeth suggested , take the information you get , i'd add , talk to professionals , maybe pay the vets 5-10 grand a year for 20-25yrs , make your choice and live with it , if it works out , stick with it , imo , you don't fix what isn't broken ......... if it doesn't work , do something different next time .....
    I don't get it ????? exactly what is the word your looking for ???????
     
  10. cinnamon roll

    cinnamon roll Super Moderator Super Moderator

    Please do not hijack the op's thread. If you want to debate please start a new thread
     
  11. He said you were over punctuating. It was a play on words. I'm not getting in the middle of this lol. I was trying to sort of clear the air, maybe crack a smile, keep people from getting themselves banned lol.
     
  12. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    got you .......... interpreting meaning in writing is not one of my strong points ...... thanks ........ as far as hijacking the thread , i'll be interested in seeing how much more info comes out of this thread ..........
     

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