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Another raw diet question

Gunny

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I've been reading up on all the raw diet threads and was just wondering if I should start my 4 month old EM at the 2-3% of body weight? I read one of the links provided that dealt with transitioning to a raw diet and the author suggested starting pups at a higher % until they reach a certain percent of their adult weight. Gunny weights 58 lbs. now so I figure he's passed that stage but just wanted to double check. We just picked up a bunch of split chicken breasts at HEB today, since they were on sale for $.97/lb., and are looking forward to starting him on the raw diet as soon as we feel we have everything lined up. We still need to get a scale, but at least I finally got my wife on board with the idea (mostly in part to your advice). I can't wait to get started but I want to make sure we're 100% educated on doing it right before we take this leap.
 

seeknoxrun

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It's 2-3% of their projected adult weight. So, my girl is only 70 pounds right now, but I expect her to be around 150-160 pounds when she's done growing. So I feed her between 3-4 pounds of meat daily, split up into two meals. When I can't feel her ribs, I cut back closer to 3 pounds. If she's hitting a growth spurt and I can see too much rib, I feed closer to 4 pounds.

Feel free to stock up on those split breasts if you have room to store them. But I wouldn't start with those personally. I noticed Roux had a hard time when I tried to give too much muscle too fast. She did really well on chicken necks, backs, thighs, drumsticks, and quarters in the beginning. Now that her system is really starting to adjust to raw, she can handle the meatier cuts like split breast a little bit better.
 

musicdeb

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I agree with Emily, start with chicken with more bone in it. Titan only ate chicken leg quarters for the first month of raw. Good for you for choosing raw for Gunny!
 

ruthcatrin

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What seeknoxrun said. Take his estimated adult weight (I usually use daddy's weight for male pups unless the breeder told you different or you don't know it), and use 2-3% of THAT figure as your starting point. Having said that some pups may still end up needing more, and its up to you as the owner to keep an eye on him and decide that he's a bit skinnier than he ought to be and up the percentage a bit (or in reverse, he's getting a bit chunky and lower it a bit). I know of dogs who eat 6 to 7% of their adult body weight, and aren't chunky, cause they're just that active.

Some folks do modify that by saying a larger percentage of the pup's current weight instead of the adult weight, but to me working off the adult weight is easier cause its not going to change nearly as much as the pups "current" weight is.

If your vet will let you, try to get a weight on him regularly for a few months while switching and untill you're comfortable adjusting things. In many vet offices the dog scale is easily accessible, and I know my vet doesn't mind me coming in with Apollo just to get a weight on him as long as we don't get in the way of folks there for appointments.
 

Gunny

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Thanks for clearing that up for me, ya'll are the best. I guess we'll just eat the split breasts ourselves and start him on the other cuts. You guys weren't kidding about needing a second freezer. Gunny's dad was 200 lbs. so we're gonna need a lot of room. :D
 

angelbears

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Gunny, we are extremely fortunate to live in the Houston area. With a bit of care, you can easily feed raw for between $1.00 to $1.50/pound.

For the first month, definitely enjoy the inexpensive leg quarters. Watch for whole chickens to be on sale for $0.59/lb and that's when you'll give Gunner his white meat from chicken without costing yourself too much. And don't worry if you don't know how to cut up a whole chicken -- the dogs don't care whether they can recognize a particular piece of meat or not. ;)

Once you're a little further along, there is a wholesaler (Action Meat) between the airport and Greenspoint Mall. You have to pay cash, you have to buy at least 100 lb at a time, and the items come in 30-40 lb cases, but many of Action's prices can't be beat, and they carry some meats you don't readily find at the grocery store: hearts from turkey, pork, and beef are all less than $1.00/lb, liver and kidney (pork, beef, chicken) will run you $1.09 or less, lamb breast ribs $1.99, pork riblets for $0.99, chicken paws/feet (great for treats and good for his joints) will run about$1.09...you get the idea. If you'll send me your email address in a PM, I'll forward a recent price list to you to look at.

When you're ready to start fish, Fiesta stores are a real jewel. You can find smelt and mackerel (both good sources of Omega-3s) for less than $2.00/lb and sometimes as low as $0.79/lb. And, of course, if you want to serve some shrimp (to yourself or to Gunny!), you can make the drive down to Seabrook and buy from the stores down there (underneath the bridge, on the north side). Shrimp season has started, so the prices should be $1.99 or so for shrimp that is perfectly fine for feeding Gunny.

The Asian Markets down off Bellaire (Beltway 8 south to Bellaire and turn left towards town) are a cheap source of duck. You can get hearts, feet, and wings for less than $1.00/lb usually, and the whole duck for about $1.69/lb. We've also found pork pancreas down there, which isn't easily found elsewhere. We recently scored 30 lb of pancreas for $0.50/lb.

And now that I've given you some great places to look for reasonable prices, I'll expect -- if you get lucky enough to score some deer meat this winter -- that you'll share that with me. hahahahaha

Be careful; sourcing meat for your dog becomes addictive and you'll end up needing a THIRD freezer.
 

ruthcatrin

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Heh, my husband was horrified when I started pricing cheep freezers on craigslist. I haven't told him I'm looking for a third lol
 

Gunny

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angelbear, thanks for all the info. I remember your posts in another raw feeding thread and everyone seemed jealous of the deals we can get here. I have a feeling I'll be driving all over the Houston area before too long. PM sent.
 

Gunny

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We're starting Gunny on the raw diet today. He ate some chicken this morning and I'm just wondering how cautious I need to be with him after he's eaten. We're still a little worried about him licking on us after eating the raw chicken. Any advice or suggestions?
 

ruthcatrin

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My dogs 'kiss' me and my husband fairly regularly and we've never had any issues. Course, neither of us has a compromised immune system, and if someone in the house does then you may want to teach him not to kiss without permission. But I still don't think there's any more risk with raw meat than with kibble.
 

angelbears

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We have been feeding raw for well over a year now and we have yet to get sick. I'm not a neat freak so I would think anyone that takes halfass precautions should be fine. We are big here with "sugars" and no problems. We do wipe Canes muzzle after he eats just because he gets so frothy. I would take the same precautions as you did when feeding kibble. Kibble has most of the same germs and bacteria as raw meat can have.

Just got back from hunting at Krogers and they have leg quarters for .39 a pound for 10 pound bag. These would be great for Gunny!
 

musicdeb

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I've been feeding Titan raw since March 2012 with no problems. I, too, am a neat freak and wipe Titan's mouth after he eats. I clean his feeding area with vinegar and water. Some people use clorox wipes. My hands are so dry from washing them so much when I fix his food and clean up his mess, lots of lotion used. BTW, congrats on going raw!
 

Gunny

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Thanks for the input. I had a feeling there wasn't much to worry about but I figured it's best to ask the experts here. Think I'm about to head to Kroger since we just paid double that at HEB yesterday. Thanks for the tip angelbears. Definitely gonna need another freezer when we get our house.