All Dogs are Not Equal

[Jarena]

She hasn’t had an ACCIDENT in 4.5 months, which is pretty good actually, considering all the medical issues she had. She was potty trained much earlier than that but then she would get a UTI and would have accidents.

I mostly had pits and lab mixes. And my boyfriend had German Shepard’s. We were both impressed with how quickly she was potty trained. Maybe you’ve had bad luck with mastiffs lol. Because I have never heard that mastiffs took longer to potty train

 

[Boxergirl]

Ella, my EM, came to me at 5 weeks as a foster. She had one small accident in the house. At 6 weeks she barked to go out. Never had another accident other than after her first heat when she was so swollen she leaked when she woke from a nap. Easiest dog I've ever house trained. I don't count the issues from UTIs.

Ella never destroyed a bed, so she's always had one. My boxers? Three years old. That's when their brains are delivered. Lol.

 

[glen]

Of all the breeds iv had iv found mastiffs easiest to potty train.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I am going to be the bearer of bad news, while I agree with trying everything listed above and hope it does work out there are some dogs that because they are kennel/pen raised outside or left in dirtier whelping boxes (and I have no idea if this is your pup or not) that are just what we call "dirty" puppies. They don't follow the "they don't like to sleep in their mess" as they have always slept in it/been exposed in it and it is simply what they are used to. Pee/poop where you are regardless. These dogs prove to be super frustrating for the owners (the ones I have seen are typically rescues where the care of the pups was unknown) and sometimes it is managed by the owners but the rescues we have seen unfortunately typically are returned.

It isn't the dogs fault, it isn't the owners either. This also might not be the case with her at all, I just wanted to put it out there that there are dogs like this and you could do everything in the world and there may be cases where she still has accidents no matter how much you have kept on top of things.

 

[Steven C]

I am going to be the bearer of bad news, while I agree with trying everything listed above and hope it does work out there are some dogs that because they are kennel/pen raised outside or left in dirtier whelping boxes (and I have no idea if this is your pup or not) that are just what we call "dirty" puppies. They don't follow the "they don't like to sleep in their mess" as they have always slept in it/been exposed in it and it is simply what they are used to. Pee/poop where you are regardless. These dogs prove to be super frustrating for the owners (the ones I have seen are typically rescues where the care of the pups was unknown) and sometimes it is managed by the owners but the rescues we have seen unfortunately typically are returned.

It isn't the dogs fault, it isn't the owners either. This also might not be the case with her at all, I just wanted to put it out there that there are dogs like this and you could do everything in the world and there may be cases where she still has accidents no matter how much you have kept on top of things.

Makes sense, but very scary indeed especially when someone has potentially thousands of training hours invested. Luckily its not to a point where we would consider getting rid of her. If I have to keep a watch on her so be it as frustrating as it is. She has other frustrating things as well that I'm not used to an example would the whining drives me nuts when I'm trying to concentrate but it seems a quick shut up will turn that off. This CC has issues that's for sure, not for the weak hearted or weak handed. ufff.

I do have some hope as its obvious for example the morning pee seems to be held since she wont ever pee on the carpet again so it gives me hope that the one problematic area can eventually be trained as well.

I do find it odd that my DDB non working line bred dog took me 8 months to potty train which is also insane. I also find it strange that many of the folks I know from IPO or around that say there CC took forever to potty train as well. Although I have not asked the guy with the big docile CC that I know.

Hopefully that's not the case although this dog is from a kennel and not an indoor environment. But you would think that since purchasing at 8 weeks that its easily overcame.

 

[marke]

i've never seen a dog/pup that couldn't be housebroken ......... my kennel raised dogs housebreak themselves, i haven't actively housebroke a dog in 20yrs ........ there are two kennel dogs i just left loose in my house as i went by for lunch , they have lived their lives in a kennel , i've never housebroken them and i am positive they will not pee in my house ...........

 

[Steven C]

i've never seen a dog/pup that couldn't be housebroken ......... my kennel raised dogs housebreak themselves, i haven't actively housebroke a dog in 20yrs ........ there are two kennel dogs i just left loose in my house as i went by for lunch , they have lived their lives in a kennel , i've never housebroken them and i am positive they will not pee in my house ...........

May I ask how old they are? Do you think that my dog will eventually learn and is just a slower learner in the potty train area?

 

[marke]

they are 3 yrs , they've not peed or pooped in the indoor section of the kennels since they were 4-5 months old , i've trusted them in the house since around 6 -7 months ..... just catch them , stop them , take them outside and clean up the accidents ...... personally i think catching them makes it way easier for them to figure it out ...... startling them with a no imo is ok , just don't correct them beyond a point where they focus on the correction , and you need to forget about it asap .......... if and when i catch the pups peeing in the kennel and get the opportunity to stop them it's the best case scenario .......... i do have dog doors everywhere which eliminates them needing to go and not being let out , i'm sure that's the reason for a lot of folks problem ......... and yes your dog will get it , they all do ........

 

[Justin B.]

Some Corsos mature a lot slower when it comes to potty training.
I have seen the whole gambit. Great in the house to similar problems you are experiencing. Overall i wouldn't consider them easier to house train than other breeds. Typical of mastiffs. I wouldnt be super concerned yet.

Crate at night or for extended down time seems to work until they get it. For the problem dogs I have had.

Also, limited space seems to help too. Even when not in a crate try to limit the dog roaming through the house if you can. Use gates. Dont go directly from crate into free roaming the house. One room max. But i would even try to divide the room if you can.

Also, taking them out directly after they drink helps too. Or even if you notice extra excitement. Right now the more times outside is the best. They will get it. Reward as soon as they get done peeing outside. Even if it does seem excessive. Stick with it.

My dogs litterally paw knock on the door if they have to go out.

 

[DennasMom]

Huh... our Dane/Lab mix was our hardest potty-trainer.
Denna had one accident in the house - after consuming too much water in the bath tub, I didn't get her outside fast enough.

We use jingle-bells on the back door to train our dogs how to 'ask' to go outside. Denna LOVED having the bells available to ask me to go outside to play with her, even when she didn't need to pee, too... but, we got over that. LOL.

It sounds like you're being consistent with schedule... so, for some reason she either doesn't get that peeing inside is "bad", or she's not excited to go outside and do her business there.

I'd recommend you:
1) get some door-potty-bells and get her trained to ring the bells every time she goes outside, and then she should start asking to go out with them as well
2) teach her a "potty" word - we use "potty", other people use "get busy" or "hurry up" if you don't want to be saying "potty" all the time out in public.
3) have BIG POTTY PARTIES outside, so she WANTS to pee outside, because that's FUN and REWARDING

If she knows "no"... you can then catch her in the act inside and say "no potty"... grab her, put her outside and say "go potty! good potty!" when she DOES go outside.

Keep at it - and definitely use the enzymatic solution for cleanups inside, too.

 

[Steven C]

Its been a week or a little more since the post and so far 1 of those days she has peed inside. It was when I gave control of the dog to my wife and the wife closed the door to get ready before we left with the dog. She came out of the room and sure enough in the hallway was a pee. So it boils down to whenever she gets a free moment without supervision she drops one. Otherwise all week I have kept her close, office door with me closed and she will not pee at all, in fact she holds it when someone is near her. By the way, she used to pee right next to your feet, it was that bad.

We have added some words to the "no" like you "little biatch" and some other nice words included in the simple no, might help. Even though I hate even 1 mistake, I feel as though once in the 7 to 10 days now is sort of a win from where we were.

In any event, there will be no free fully trained IPO (except pee) Cane Corso signs up anytime soon, although I do find her to be the dirtiest and most disrespectful of all the dogs I have owned to date. Perhaps the Blackshadow post summed it up with her being from a outdoor kennel with the rest of the working line CC.

Thanks everyone.

 

[Justin B.]

Its been a week or a little more since the post and so far 1 of those days she has peed inside. It was when I gave control of the dog to my wife and the wife closed the door to get ready before we left with the dog. She came out of the room and sure enough in the hallway was a pee. So it boils down to whenever she gets a free moment without supervision she drops one. Otherwise all week I have kept her close, office door with me closed and she will not pee at all, in fact she holds it when someone is near her. By the way, she used to pee right next to your feet, it was that bad.

We have added some words to the "no" like you "little biatch" and some other nice words included in the simple no, might help. Even though I hate even 1 mistake, I feel as though once in the 7 to 10 days now is sort of a win from where we were.

In any event, there will be no free fully trained IPO (except pee) Cane Corso signs up anytime soon, although I do find her to be the dirtiest and most disrespectful of all the dogs I have owned to date. Perhaps the Blackshadow post summed it up with her being from a outdoor kennel with the rest of the working line CC.

Thanks everyone.

My father always stressed the dirty dog theory. Which is why I always tried to welp puppies inside the house. He even wouldn't buy dogs from people if the kennels weren't cleaned daily. Even if a dog was kept outside he would still housebreak it first.
What age did you get her at again?

 

[Steven C]

My father always stressed the dirty dog theory. Which is why I always tried to welp puppies inside the house. He even wouldn't buy dogs from people if the kennels weren't cleaned daily. Even if a dog was kept outside he would still housebreak it first.
What age did you get her at again?

Between 10 and 11 weeks if I remember correctly. I am so used to getting them shipped right at 8 weeks but now it dawns on me that she was actually a couple weeks older. It was tough to weed through all the kennels that claimed working lines and a lot of them did not have ears done. I looked at photos of CC that didn't even resemble CC, was amazing.

But even with the Blackshadow theory, I must admit that she is improving greatly. I am expecting perfection in the potty train category at 10 months which may be overboard as especially the breed is tougher to potty train than the easier "common" breeds.

 

[Justin B.]

Between 10 and 11 weeks if I remember correctly. I am so used to getting them shipped right at 8 weeks but now it dawns on me that she was actually a couple weeks older. It was tough to weed through all the kennels that claimed working lines and a lot of them did not have ears done. I looked at photos of CC that didn't even resemble CC, was amazing.

But even with the Blackshadow theory, I must admit that she is improving greatly. I am expecting perfection in the potty train category at 10 months which may be overboard as especially the breed is tougher to potty train than the easier "common" breeds.

Yeah I don't think its impossible.
I think both Black Shadow and marke are right in a way.

Glad its improving. I don't know if I believe this. But another tip that gets passed around for issues like this is keep the dog on "hard services and less carpet or soft services" until they get it.

 

[Boxergirl]

Yeah I don't think its impossible.
I think both Black Shadow and marke are right in a way.

Glad its improving. I don't know if I believe this. But another tip that gets passed around for issues like this is keep the dog on "hard services and less carpet or soft services" until they get it.

Some dogs do develop a substrate preference that makes it more difficult to house train. That's definitely a possibility. Pee pad trained dogs in particular, in my experience.

 

[Steven C]

Yeah I don't think its impossible.
I think both Black Shadow and marke are right in a way.

Glad its improving. I don't know if I believe this. But another tip that gets passed around for issues like this is keep the dog on "hard services and less carpet or soft services" until they get it.

The good thing about it thankfully is that where it happens is all tile. She hasn't peed on carpet since very small, it took one scream from the wifey in a silent room, she heard the stream. That was it in the room. If it was carpeting, I would have more issues than now, at least its just some cleaner and toilet paper. But fingers crossed getting better, now its down to trust alone in the house.

 

[Justin B.]

Some dogs do develop a substrate preference that makes it more difficult to house train. That's definitely a possibility. Pee pad trained dogs in particular, in my experience.

Yeah I'm totally ignorant when it comes to the pee pads. One time an ex GF of mine got a new puppy a Tea Cup Chihuahua. She came home with pee pads. We argued about that for days. The dog was eventually not allowed over my place on my new carpet. And the dog was never properly housebroken on her new carpet at her place EVER. I tried to warn her.

 

[Steven C]

Yeah I'm totally ignorant when it comes to the pee pads. One time an ex GF of mine got a new puppy a Tea Cup Chihuahua. She came home with pee pads. We argued about that for days. The dog was eventually not allowed over my place on my new carpet. And the dog was never properly housebroken on her new carpet at her place EVER. I tried to warn her.

How anyone could use pee pads with dogs this size is beyond me. Not to mention, my DDB had pee that smelled like lion pee and pee'd a river. The CC female has smaller pees but pads? No way.

 

[Justin B.]

How anyone could use pee pads with dogs this size is beyond me. Not to mention, my DDB had pee that smelled like lion pee and pee'd a river. The CC female has smaller pees but pads? No way.

It still seemed crazy and nasty to me even for her little Tea Cup dog. I kid you not I had no idea it was a legit item and method until like 12 years ago.